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Verified Reports of Death January 2016

Just thought I'd point out that this is now, regrettably, true. http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/14/alan-rickman-giant-of-british-film-and-theatre-dies-at-69 Wittylama 12:42, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Very regrettable indeed, a second source: Twobells (talk) 12:54, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Died: 1/14/2016 38.95.192.114 (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

This information is already in the article. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:26, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

lol which is why the thing is semi'd in the first place, IP :D _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 13:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Alan Rickman died of Cancer 14 January 2016 162.11.170.236 (talk) 14:01, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

ditto _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 14:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

I just heard this morning that Alan Rickman has died and request this article be updated to reflect that 150.226.225.174 (talk) 13:43, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Read the article then _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 14:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

article was updated to cover this at 12.36 - Arjayay (talk) 14:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Died 14.01.2016 81.129.75.107 (talk) 14:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

wtf _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 14:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

article was updated to cover this at 12.36 - Arjayay (talk) 14:10, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Request to add the death of Alan Rickman on 14th January 2016, to the profile.

109.145.219.84 (talk) 14:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

The article has already been updated to cover this. --Captain Sweden 14:42, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Mention of David Bowie in the death section

I'm as sad about Bowie's death as the next person, but is it really relevant to mention here? I could understand if the two were good friends, but from what I know of both men, the only thing they had in common was that they were British and 69. The way it's written right now, it looks like Rickman's family said "he died about 4 days after David Bowie," and from what I can find, that is simply not the case, especially in the article used as the source for that line. Hirachio11 (talk) 14:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Apparently I'm not the only one who thought this, as someone already took care of it while I was writing this. Good show.Hirachio11 (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

It's completely irrelevant. If they were related, perhaps, or had something particular in common; but as it stands, it's just been a blody unfortunate week for film / music fans of a certain vintage. And anyone else of course. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 14:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Please change the introduction "Alan Sidney Patrick Rickman (born 21 February 1946)" to "Alan Sidney Patrick Rickman (21 February 1946 - 14 January 2016)"

Please change the biographical bar on the right-side of the screen, and add a section that says "Died 14 January 2016 (age 69)"

Public records, including the New York Times and British Broadcasting Corporation, indicate he has passed away after a battle with cancer.

12.15.136.26 (talk) 14:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

It's said that for the last two bloody hours. Cheers. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 14:47, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

The mobile (en.m.wiki.x.io) version of a page is sometimes a cached older version. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

D'oh! -thank you Jason, that would explain it. I was wondering how so many people were coming straight here to ask instead of seeing it in the article first! Cheers _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 15:15, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Death Hoax

Alan Rickman died today... Did anyone else hear about this hoax? I remember many many months ago hearing that phrase on local radio and television news, both stating that Rickman died. Apparently so did some other people, judging by some of the the reverts (although most of the reverts have the DOD as very recent, not months ago). I remember thinking "they'll have a hell of a time getting a replacement for the Harry Potter movies," until IMDB and Wikipedia, with lack of other media coverage, convinced me otherwise. Does anyone have more info? I lack dates and references, and I found nothing on Google or Snopes. If anyone else can corroborate this hoax, I think it should be included with the main article. Durty Willy 01:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

He keeps his personal life .. personal, so it's quite hard to build an unbias encyclopedic entry about the in's-and-out's of it. Like has been said, he had no children and has been romantically involved with the same woman since the 60's I believe. He is rumoured to be asexual, but has never openly said it, to my knowledge (perhaps due to "asexuality" only coming to the mainstream nowadays, if anything).

All rumors of death will eventually become true, sadly. Not a hoax anymore as of today. 2601:283:4302:6680:388A:DD00:79D7:D1A3 (talk) 15:37, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Error in Rickman movies

Harry Potter And the Philosopher's Stone? Sorcerer's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.255.14.107 (talk) 13:53, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Correct; while "Philosopher's" was the original British title of the book the film was based on, the film has only ever been titled "Sorcerer's." 2601:283:4302:6680:388A:DD00:79D7:D1A3 (talk) 15:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

No it hasn't. As the table states. Right there next to the title. Mezigue (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect. In the UK the film was titled the same as the book was: Philosoher's. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

David Warner?

I wonder if Rickman's resemblance in appearance and acting to David Warner (actor), who had a big role in Tron (film), is notable enough to include? David Spector (talk) 01:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

No, it isn't. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:53, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Alan Rickman died on Jan, 14th, 2016 due to a fight against cancer. 73.36.194.34 (talk) 16:15, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

He didn't die 'due to a fight' against cancer, he died of/from cancer. -- Chamith (talk) 16:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Page needs to be updated because Alan Rickman has died. 69.70.14.222 (talk) 16:43, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

If you read the article you might see that it has already been updated. -- Chamith (talk) 16:48, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

"Rickman was survived by his wife Rima Horton, who he married in 2012." I believe "who" should be changed to "whom" in this sentence. Thank you.

Freedomquiche (talk) 15:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Either is acceptable in this construction; but either way WP:BOLD could apply... _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 16:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: I will be bold and say no to this one. I think it sounds fine, either term is acceptable, the edit does not need to be made --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 16:58, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Rickmans Wikipedia Edits In The News

Twobells (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Tbh it's more about the twits on Twatter, but thanks anyway :) _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 18:42, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Heh, I like it, 'twits on twatter', np, enjoy. :-) Twobells (talk) 18:58, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

References

Original Confirmation of Death Citations Replaced?

Why were the original BBC and Guardian citations confirming Rickmans death removed and replaced with an American source? Twobells (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

They weren't replaced, but moved to Death section. American source was added by DCobit with this edit. -- Chamith (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks very much for the explantation, regards.Twobells (talk) 19:54, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

No evidence of his Irishness.

I have looked on Ancestry.com at Rickmans family background. There is no question that his paternal Rickman ancesters were English. His mother's Welsh family were also originaly English, mainly from the West Country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.30.82 (talk) 13:35, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

The source says his father is Irish Catholic, and ancestry.com is not considered a reliable source.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Ummm sorry but Ancestry.com is a very reliable and to be frank only reliable source when it comes to tracing someone's ancestors. Seriously I think Wikipedia and those on it moderating it make their own rules as they go along. Please tell me how ancestry.com / .co.uk is not a reliable source? For one its a paid service run by the government with extensive knowledge of the past. I seriously don't get Wikipedia sometimes. 91.125.54.32 (talk) 16:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

@91.125.54.32 Ancestry.com is not a primary source nor is it run by 'the' government. If you actually looked at http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Ancestry.com page on Wikipedia you would come to realize that it is in fact a privately held company. Just because it is a paid service, doesn't make it any more reputable. That's like saying that because you pay for a bible it must be true... --101.164.223.142 (talk) 13:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

The Holy Bible is true - please don't start your agenda with trolling. 98.67.186.101 (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Sweetbhunny (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: There are two separate sentences there. "They lived together from 1977 until his death." and "In 2015, Rickman confirmed that they had married in a private ceremony in New York City in 2012." It isn't saying he died in 2015. Sarahj2107 (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2016

2601:84:8702:8F01:1C2C:846B:1AF6:45DB (talk) 00:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 00:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

By Grabthor's hammer . . . . . what a savings.

"He's wearing a costume, not a uniform!" Didn't Rickman introduce McCartney a few years back on his last tour at the Odeon? 68.19.1.192 (talk) 13:46, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Regarding edit requests about Rickman's death

Please take note: the mobile version of Wikipedia often displays a cached version of the page you are viewing, especially when the page is being frequently updated. The date and known information of Alan Rickman's death has been on this page for several hours now. Please refrain from submitting edit requests stating that Alan Rickman has died, pretty much everybody's aware of it now and it's just cluttering up the page. If you're looking at the article and it doesn't say that he's died, either refresh the page, clear your cache, or switch to the desktop view of the article. I promise it's there. Thank you. Hirachio11 (talk) 17:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I wondered if a template could be made, or the existing 'recent death' one could be ammended, informing mobile users that the page has already been updated etc? So they see that instead of coming here. Although I supose that wouldn't show up either! _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 17:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't see the necessity of a template as one could always purge the page cache after performing a substantial edit. -- Chamith (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree. The point I was making is that people do not seem to understand that. And therefore perhaps we could assist our client base by pointing this out to them. With the added bonus that we do not then receive a load of unecessary sodding edit-requests. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 18:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I came here from desktop (OS X) and got the out-of-date page as well, and I've never surfed to his page before, as an FYI. Could explain why so many people are showing up with this issue. Rhynri (talk) 18:42, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Purging clears the page's server cache, not your browser's cache. But as you said you've never visited this page and the page displayed to you is still outdated, then it's most likely due to Five-minute rule (if it's employed in Wikimedia servers) and/or network congestion. -- Chamith (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

I came here on Firefox, Windows 7 and got a cached version of the page as well. Never been to this page before. Rip-Saw (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Rhynri, User:Rip-Saw - this is a feature of caching at the (web) server (rather than a feature/bug at the (browser) client) see client-server and Wikipedia:Purge. Widefox; talk 10:26, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

User:ChamithN this is nothing to do with network congestion. Widefox; talk 10:32, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

@Widefox: Yeah, I agree and retract my initial point about network congestion. Network congestion affects the quality of a node, not the quality of the content on the page. I just don't see why anybody would see an outdated version of the page even after purging the cache. -- Chamith (talk) 12:35, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

To add, I purged the page multiple times before Rip-Saw reported that s/he is seeing an outdated version. So purging is out of the question here. -- Chamith (talk) 12:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Of course, nowadays things may not be as simple as client-server - we are already talking 2 servers here (DB and caching front-end) but ISPs may be caching in the middle (as allowed by http, or more aggressively than standards allow). Widefox; talk 15:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Death section tributes

Do we need to have these tributes? It is to be expected that those who knew him are paying respect, that does not mean it should be included in an encyclopaedia. Hollth (talk) 07:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree it seems unnecessary. Freedomquiche (talk) 19:31, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

You can send obituary links (and any others) over to the DMOZ category for Alan. Elper (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Section on Death

Quote from article: He concealed the fact that he was terminally ill from all but his closest confidants.

Is it fair to say he"concealed" it if he simply didn't spread it around? Jbottero (talk) 04:45, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Info about siblings

I think the info about his siblings should be left alone, at least. Other people have worked hard on those edits in the last years, no one had a problem with it before, and yet it's just now being removed??? Maybe if it were cut down a bit, like education isn't necessary, it could be left. Their birth dates and occupations are even mentioned in Paton's book, weirdly an accepted source here given its an unauthorised biography by a tabloid writer. That information has always been here since the late 2000s??? Besides, Mike being a Councillor for the Harborough District and Sheila's married name, "Innes" has been mentioned in countless news articles from top news outlets since Rickman's death. It should be mentioned here too. And would it please be okay to keep his parents' birth and death dates? 76.0.226.234 (talk) 00:35, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

76.0.226.234 Even if something's been here forever, that does not preclude the removal of data that fails our notability guidelines (please actually read that). Meantime, of course news articles try to fill in as much detail as possible; that's their purpose. Our purpose as an encyclopedia is to include anything and everything reliably sourced that also satisfies encyclopedic policy, of which notability is an integral part (please actually read that, too). Rickman's article is not an obituary; it is a collection of encyclopedic fact. Mike being a councillor for Harborough District? Nice—but what's it to do with Alan? Pertinent to his career? His family's standing? If not, it goes. Sheila married an Innes? Utterly irrelevant. Parents' birth/death years have been considered acceptable if presented with the proper brevity; say, for example, Bernard William Rickman (1914 – 1954). If you believe you can trim better than I did and leave behind only the encyclopedic then, by all means, do so; otherwise, our policy dictates its removal. Anything that does not serve to answer the question "Why is this detail in this article?" gives itself undue weight (and, yes, please actually read that, too). —ATS 🖖 Talk 00:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Meantime, I've made this edit per WP:N and WP:UNDUE—specifically, non-notable family response (never mind verbatim) to notable condolences. I nearly removed it completely for these reasons, and I have a feeling someone will anyway. —ATS 🖖 Talk 22:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Photo variety

The pictures used in this article are all very good, but all from 2007-2014, a seven-year period from his career of more than forty years. Would it not be worth using a slightly earlier picture somewhere? For instance, to accompany the paragraphs on his earlier career in the 1970s/1980s? The Raincloud Kid (talk) 19:29, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

attributing quotations

In the fourth line of early life, a quotation is introduced as "according to Paton". Who (or even what) "Paton" is hasn't been explained at this point. The indirect explanation is apparently in the notes at the end of the article. Would it not be an improvement to introduce people before quoting them ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.69.144.239 (talk) 11:33, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

A Little Chaos

I just discovered this masterpiece of quaint. In four weeks im sure i have watched it at least 50 times. I have three progeny kin to the Louie's and now know where their DNA for the exquisitness in life comes from. Alan Rickman you are so wonderfully remembered by me. Besides Galaxy Quest for funny this has become my favorite for love ❤️ Penny haul (talk) 03:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Penny haul, welcome to Wikipedia. I would ask that you familiarize yourself with such policies and guidelines as those for article talk pages, which are for the discussion of improvements to the article. You may wish to move this to your user page instead. —ATS 🖖 talk 03:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

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Is there no way to put a picture of him in here? :) - Egoinos

• Write to him and ask him to send Jimbo a picture and permission to use it under GNU FDL?  :) -- April

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Not sure languid is the right word

"Known for his deep, languid voice" is the opener to this article, but languid doesn't seem to be the right word. I'd say deep and resonant, as written in this Vox article, or deep and possessing gravitas. Languid colloquially means slowly or lacking energy, which I don't think is the point of that opening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milliquas (talk • contribs) 23:05, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

References

No one mentioned Alan Rickman starred in the 2008 movie Bottle Shock. And he was terrific in it

Can someone make this edit? Thank you 68.192.8.68 (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Filmography?

What's bad with adding a Filmography section like every other actor? Thanks. 62.117.176.201 (talk) 01:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

See, Alan Rickman on screen and stage - FlightTime (open channel) 01:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I realized only after that being also a theater actor Filmography would not be a good section title name (like with Benedict Cumberbatch for example!). Maybe it would be helpful to find a standard for theater+cinema actors. Thanks again and sorry. 62.117.176.201 (talk) 01:47, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Don't be sorry, you're welcome. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:49, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Suggest punctuation change

Personally I think languid perfectly describes some of Alan's performances (Diehard?) but an adjective for that voice is difficult to nail.

My problem with the opening is the way it's put. This bit

"Known for his deep, languid voice, he trained at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art" 

is just plain silly. (we just adore your deep languid voice here at RADA darling...) It suggests that he was renowned for his voice before or during RADA, which is categorically false anyway. And it reads like a brochure.

Should be

"was an English actor and director known for his deep, languid voice. He trained at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art"

or, pedantically

"was an English actor known for his deep,languid voice and also a director. He trained at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:9800:B900:BC89:6085:B7EA:930C:76A4 (talk) 20:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Bottle Shock

You must see "Bottle Shock", (2008). Based on a true story, Alan Rickman played the leading role of Steven Spurrier,the catalyst who put California wines and the Montelena winery on the map. The movie is a hidden gem with an amazing score and the beautiful scenery of the Napa Valley, artfully depicted as it was in the early seventies. Rickman's portrayal of Spurrier is the focal point of the movie, with Bill Pullman as Montelena's owner, Jim Barrett, and Chris Pine as his son, Bo Barrett, bringing together a one-of-a-kind, unforgettable story of uncommon beauty, romance, and struggle that led to triumph. 2600:6C4E:327F:FEA7:74A6:5430:EC9E:CCF0 (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2023

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