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Edited

I have edited thi article to a more neutral point of view. I have also removed the article notice. I hope this is not a problem for anyone....

BuildingFreak (talk) 20:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No Problem

Yes that is fine. I saw it in the news today and was going to do it myself!!. Deevincentday (talk) 10:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Award Added

I have added a new Aedas award. Hope this is OK with everyone. 193.195.92.146 (talk) 10:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not Again!

I see this article is being questioned again in spite of you improving it. Grrrrrr. BuildingFreak (talk) 13:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Oh dear I should have left this on the userpage. Sorry BuildingFreak (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note from Author

I am working hard on making this page more informative and have been adding references and images. I am also adding/enhancing articles relating to buildings featured in this article. Any help or advice will be gratefully received.

Deevincentday (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Carbuncle Cup

I have removed this from the list of awards because Aedas did not win nor come in the top three so it is inappropriate to have it listed in this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.195.92.146 (talk) 17:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's reasonable. No problem at all.

Deevincentday (talk) 15:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Marketing

I have made an attempt at making this article into a factual encyclopedic discussion of a major architectural firm instead of a marketing brochure. Both the layout and the proliferation of peacock words work against it, as do the proliferation of minor awards, useless links to architectural publications and societies, and the general lots-of-whitespace-so-you-can-see-all-the-images layout. Further work is needed to make this compliant with the MOS. As such, this is rated as a start-class article, since in good conscience I can't rate it higher until it contains more encyclopedic content. Acroterion _(talk) 21:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to point out that the white space is there because I do not have good reading sight and find it very difficult to read text on screen. The white space enables me to focus on the section in question. For me it is an accessibility issue not a marketing device. I often find it very difficult to read wikipedia articles because of this and tend to skim read or give up altogether as a result of the layout. Deevincentday (talk) 13:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Work in Progress

I take your points on board and will be reviewing the page for peacock language etc in due course. Deevincentday (talk) 00:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Images

Images have been removed pending debate regarding usage and licencing.

Holland Park School Link Removal

I have removed the link to Holland Parki School because the article on said page is in need of some work and adds no value to this page about an architecture practice.

Deevincentday (talk) 15:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Advertisement Notice

Please do not delete just yet. I will edit the article over the weekend. Cannot do it just now as I am working on a project away from home and do not have time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deevincentday (talk • contribs) 00:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I've just reverted a bunch of changes that turned this into an advert. A porely sourced laundry list of "notable" projects, other offices and minor awards turns this into an advert, not a balanced encyclopedia article. duffbeerforme (talk)

I support the non-advert version, per WP:NOTPROMOTION. -- Trevj (talk) 10:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree to all of this. The "notable" projects are notable in their own countries. The page as a whole is written just like the page for Kohn Pedersen Fox. Why is that page not an advertisement, when they give the same type of information, but that same type of info on this page is considered an advertisment? When Duffbeerforme removed my edits, he also removed one of my citations from one of England's largest newspapers pointing out that Aedas is *the* largest architectural firm in the world. Why then can their "notable" achievements not be catalogued? And if they can't be, shouldn't Kohn Pedersen Fox's material be removed as well? I'm sorry, but I really don't understand the distinction being made here.The Librarian at Terminus (talk) 05:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other names

It seems that there is some relationship between Aedas, Abbey Holford Rowe and AHR. Are they different names for the same architectural practice? Abbey Holford Rowe is a redirect to this article. The Bridgewater Place article has recently been edited to change its architect from Aedas to AHR. Please clarify. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:57, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This 2002 article is behind a paywall and I can't read it, but the headline and subtitle offer some clues. Basically, it seems that three firms – Abbey Holford Rowe (UK), Peddle Thorp (Australia), and LPT (Hong Kong) – formed some kind of alliance or merger in 2002 and became Aedas. So I think it's kind of misleading for this article to suggest that the history of the company stretches back to the 1980s, when really it is referring to the personal career of one of the founders. Citobun (talk) 00:37, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've just fixed up the history section with references to Building and Design Week from 2002. The "establishment" subheading should explain it accurately now. Citobun (talk) 21:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Some proposed changes on Aedas History and Abstract section

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Per WP:V.

Dear editors, please replace "It was established in 2002 as an alliance between three existing companies in the United Kingdom, Hong Kong, and Australia." with "It was established in 2002 as an alliance between two existing companies in the United Kingdom and Hong Kong." Thanks! Reasons: LPT Architects (originally Liang Peddle Thorp) has split with the Australian-based Peddle Thorp Group way before its merger with AHR, and thus the Australian group is not involved in the merger. References supporting change: Donald, M. (2009). “The Global Architect: Firms, Fame and Urban Form”. New York & London: Routledge Oieoieoie1911 (talk) 12:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 12-NOV-2019

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Sorry for the Rookie mistakes, please help correct with proposed changes

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. The reviewer would like to request the editor with a COI attempt to discuss with editors engaged in the subject-area first.

Dear editors, please replace "It was established in 2002 as an alliance between three existing companies in the United Kingdom, Hong Kong, and Australia." with "It was established in 2002 as an alliance between two existing companies in the United Kingdom and Hong Kong." Thanks! Reasons: LPT Architects (originally Liang Peddle Thorp) has split with the Australian-based Peddle Thorp Group way before its merger with AHR, and thus the Australian group is not involved in the merger. References supporting change: p.27-28, Donald, M. (2009). “The Global Architect: Firms, Fame and Urban Form”. New York & London: Routledge ISBN 9781135911638 or ISBN 1135911630 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oieoieoie1911 (talk • contribs) 07:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 13-NOV-2019

Thank you for providing the identifying information from the source, it's much appreciated.
Unfortunately the request cannot be approved because the submitted source apparently contradicts four already existing sources listed in the article.^[a] The result of this disparity is that local editor consensus will be needed to implement any changes.^[1]
In furtherance of that discussion, it would be helpful if the verbatim text from the McNeill source could be provided in order to verify the requested changes. This text is needed because the article already contains sources which ostensibly verify the triad nature of the formation of this firm.^[b] Those four sources are the following:

"AHR joins global set". Building Design. 15 March 2002. p. 4.
"Architects build global alliance by looking East". Birmingham Post. 4 April 2002. p. 20.
"Abbey Holford Rowe forms global alliance". Building (Press release). March 14, 2002. UK architect Abbey Holford Rowe has formed a global alliance with Australian practice Peddle Thorp and Asian architect LPT. The practices will be renamed Aedas AHR (UK), Aedas Peddle Thorp (Australia) and Aedas LPT (Asia) as part of the company's branding strategy.
"Aedas' brand identity built by Siegelgale". Design Week (Press release). 14 March 2002. The move has seen three worldwide practices aligned, Abbey Holford Rowe in the UK, Peddle Thorp in Australia and Hong Kong's LPT.

Citation for the McNeill source submitted with the present edit request (and which purportedly claims only a UK/Hong Kong duo as forming the firm):

McNeill, Donald (2009). The Global Architect: Firms, Fame and Urban Form. Routledge, Taylor & Francis. pp. 27–28. ISBN 9780415956406. OCLC 637531506. Please note: Source quotation needed.

Please feel free to provide the verbatim text from the McNeill source here on the talk page (if possible). That information would go far towards helping local editors to resolve the two different claims. The edit request itself will be held in abeyance until any such discussion is completed.^[1]

Regards, Spintendo 12:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ Three of these four sources contain duplicate information all published within the same week of each other — thus it would be more accurate to describe it as two separate sources, rather than four.
^ Australia, Hong Kong and the UK.

References

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Reply 04-DEC-2019, Source quotation

Citation for the McNeill source submitted with the present edit request (and which purportedly claims only a UK/Hong Kong duo as forming the firm):

Donald, M. (2009). “The Global Architect: Firms, Fame and Urban Form”. New York & London: Routledge ISBN 9781135911638 or ISBN 1135911630 (p.27)"Aedas, an amalgamation of Abbey Holford Rowe (UK) and LPT 9 (a Hong Kong based design firm, formerly part of Peddle Thorp, had over eight hundred staff in six countries in 2002, represents teh ambition of two medium-sized firms with strong presence in regional market to operate on a larger scale." (p.28)"The in-built resistance to renaming firms was eased by the fact that LPT had already been renamed to reflect a shift away from its derivation from the Australian firm of Peddle Thorp."

Oieoieoie1911 (talk) 04:01, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 05-DEC-2019, a few more Source for discussion

From our understanding of sources below, the Aedas brand is formed between the two firms, "AHR" and "LPT" before officially "Aedas", while the varied versions of names do reflect LPT's connection with Peddle Thorp Group and trait of changes made during the period.

Adam, Robert (25 April 2012). The Globalisation of Modern Architecture: The Impact of Politics, Economics and Social Change on Architecture and Urban Design since 1990. Newcastle upon Tyne, UK: Cambridge Scholars Publishing. p. 94. ISBN 1443839485. Retrieved 5 December 2019. Aedas was created in 2002 from a merger between the British firm Abbey Holford Rowe and the Australian Hong Kong-based architects LPT.
"AHR: What's in a Name?". Urban Realm. 29 Oct 2014. Retrieved 5 December 2019. Aedas was born in 2002 through the merger of Abbey Holford Rowe and Liang Peddle Thorp from Hong Kong, growing to become the 5th largest architecture firm in the UK with 450 staff and a formidable global presence.
Another publication by Aedas in 2005, can serve as a reference of the company's origins if not apt for direct citation: Sinclair, Kelvin. Making connections : Aedas architects in Asia. Aedas. pp. 234–238. ISBN 9889880806. By 1994, reflecting reality, the company name was changed to LPT...;When the existing practises in Hong Kong and Britain merged in 2000 it was obvious to all partners that the new structure with its aim of global growth called for a fresh corporate name.

Oieoieoie1911 (talk) 12:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Three of these four sources contain duplicate information all published within the same week of each other — thus it would be more accurate to describe it as two separate sources, rather than four.

[3] Australia, Hong Kong and the UK.

[consensus-2] "COI Edit Request Instructions". Wikipedia. 13 November 2019. Instructions for Reviewers: "Do not insert major re-writes or controversial requests without clear consensus. When these are requested, ask the submitter to discuss the edits instead with regular contributors on the article's talk page. You can use {{edit COI|D|D}}.

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