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Life's relevations

In Vogue's US March edition of "Adele: One and Only", Adele's long history were finally viewed online or on format, including the long-rumored names of Adele's troubled parents Mark Evans and Penny. Could you also add references of Adele's early years, the vocal cord surgery on November 3rd, pitfalls ... long story short, add most references, please? Here's the URL for you below.

http://www.vogue.com/magazine/article/adele-one-and-only/#1

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.253.117 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 13 February 2012

Lockdown by a unilateral and obvious fascist? Where is the persistance and discussion of this action

I would like to know what you exactly call persistant vandalism. Is that one vandalism edit and one revert. Do you really think that means persistant? Do you think that warrants a four month lockdown for a BLP on Adele? You must think that you can deprive access on an open forum to new users on such a large and extensively popular culture figure as Adele is? I see no extensive awards held by you. I see no admiralship held by you! I see no open forum for discussion on her talk page, nor on your page. This BLP topic has the very large potential of drawing a very large audience to the Wiki community. This article is poorly written and needs extensive editing and correction. I see no major changes contributed by you, other than your unilateral and fascist style lockdown. You may beleve that I am an anonymous and unimportant no one simply because I am a anonymous IP address. I can tell you that your unilateral and negative decision to this community will be reviewed by a number of long time and much superior editors in the near future, as I can assure you I will bring this to many of them that I have become aquainted and worked with co-operatively in the past on other somewhat less important BLP's. I hereby request that you 1)remove the lockdown or 2) address the reason and purpose of the timeframe assigned or 3) Address and work this article in the manner requested and discussed on the subject talk page (either investigate, perform requested edits or deny with reason the request edits. I shall continue to monitor the article, the talk page and your talk page to follow this very closely. Your cooperation is needed, as you have effectively taken ownership of this article as your own.

Do not reply with a mere sassy and corrupt typical answer of "S/he is merely an anonymous IP address and S/he is not anyone or someone to be listened to. The potential damage that your action has the potential to committ to the Wiki community and very large potential future Wiki community should not be ignored or even attempted in any way, shape or form.

Your unilateral actions and its future response will be larger than you may safely assume or desire. Have a nice day. 184.32.2.145 (talk) 06:29, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Who exactly are you talking to? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 16:19, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
I agree. Who are you talking to? --Thunderbuster (talk) 09:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

She is British

This singer is British and has stated publicly she is proud to be British. The wikipedia attempt to discriminate against British people and censor "British" from articles is offensive and unacceptable. Please explain the justification for stating she is English in this article when numerous sources can be provided calling her British? BritishWatcher (talk) 16:19, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

On top of the numerous sources calling her British, which i will happily post to this talk page if necessary.. the article states she has a welsh father and english mother. Clearly when there is this mixed parentage and when the individual has publicly stated she is proud to be British. There is no justification for the anti-British brigade on wikipedia to impose English nationality on her. BritishWatcher (talk) 16:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:UKNATIONALS does not say that she must be described as English and it is simply advice rather than policy anyway. Sources say she is British, she has stated she is proud to be British. This attempt to remove British identity from wikipedia is totally unacceptable. A person famous for playing for England at football it in part makes sense to call them "English footballer", but a British singer with tons of sources saying she is British is very different. BritishWatcher (talk) 15:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Since when are British and English mutual exclusive? Anyway, sources describing her as British are moot (A lot of reliable sources claim Christian Bale is Welsh, even though that's total bull-shit) what really matters is her personal identity and in this case, it's British. When no one has a personal, clear preference to what they consider their identity to be then we can use either British or English...--Τασουλα (talk) 23:10, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree, she should be listed as British first and foremost as it is a valid and internationally recognised nationality, compared to English. To say she is anything other than British unfairly excludes everyone else in the UK who is not English from sharing nationality with her. 31.221.49.179 (talk) 05:03, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

In 2012 Adele states she is "proud to be British" --Erzan (talk) 08:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

This was sourced with a direct quote from Adele, and it was removed with no discussion as that editor felt that citations in the lead were inappropriate. Since that is not technically true per WP:CITELEAD, I propose restoring "British" to the lead, and citing it either in the lead or in the personal life section. If the cite goes in the personal life section, a hidden note can be left in the lead sentence. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:16, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Erzan, I found this article from BBC News that we can add as a source, which includes the clip. Just a small query though, does this statement actually settle the argument. This is Paul (talk) 10:19, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Why would it not? Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Someone recently added a source from the Telegraph to support her nationality, but this was swiftly removed. There are those who seem to want to make it their life's work to change nationalities from English to British and vice versa, often because they just don't like it. This is Paul (talk) 18:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I see what you mean, that people will still change it? There are definitely people on here who do very little but effect their POV with regard to English / British in BLPs. I find it really hard to maintain good faith with those people. But we should probably still try to retain the integrity of sourced info, even if we end up at ANI or something. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Skyfall

Please be aware that the reports circulating - particularly those from The Sun - claiming that Adele will perform the title theme to Skyfall fail WP:RELIABLE, and so cannot be included on this page. The tabloids are notorious when it comes to James Bond films; after the royal family, Bond is proably their second-favourite money-spinner, and since the title theme is one of the last things prepared for the film, it is the tabloids' last chance to get a word on the subject in. We had this problem four years ago when the tabloids started taking sides; The Daily Mail was pushing for Amy Winehouse to record the theme, while The Sun was supporting Dame Shirley Bassey. In the end, neither recorded it.

Even reports that come from otherwise-reliable sources such as Sky should be carefully examined before being included; although the title of this article is Adele "Records James Bond Movie Theme Song", the text of the article makes it quite clear that nothing has been confirmed, so please don't just read the title of the article and the name of the publication and assume it's okay for inclusion. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 03:05, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HKoqNJtMTQ&feature=g-logo-xit source enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.72.231.226 (talk) 19:52, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

50 million album sales

I'm posting the following sentence here, which has been added and removed a few times, firstly without a reference, then with one. [1] [2] I'm not sure if faz.de can be regarded as a reliable source as I'm not familiar with the title, and the banner makes it look a bit tabloidy, but Googling "Adele" and "50 million" doesn't actually produce anything significant, so I'm naturally sceptical. Also, it would be useful to see this information quoted from more than one reference because the last thing we want is to be adding rumours and misrepresenting the subject. Any thoughts? Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

In her career she has sold over 50 million copies of albums and singles worldwide, making her one of the best-selling music artists of all time.[1]

References

  1. ^ http://www.taz.de/!87749/
I'm guessing it's part of this newspaper, which is a broadsheet, so reliable. Must confess I don't know what the policy is on using non-English language references for articles. I guess it's ok, though an English source is preferable. But, problem is, I can't find this information anywhere else, and I do believe it would be more widely reported. The fact that it isn't suggests to me the figure is dubious so shouldn't be added. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Categories

The decision to move the Adele songs and Adele singles categories to Adele (singer) songs and Adele (singer) categories seems rather a bizarre one to me. As we have no other recording artist named Adele there hardly seems a ned to disambiguate this. What next, a move from Adele discography to Adele (singer) discography? Things like this just make life unnecessarily complicated, and it should all be reverted. Any thoughts? Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Have now listed this at today's CFD log for discussion. I can't seen that any took place before the move, and really something like this needs consensus. Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Sales for skyfall

in the section '21 and greater success' you have listed 'Skyfall lifted from 4 to 2 on sales of 176,000' but actually it lifted on sales of 92 and brought its over-rall sales to 176,000 could you correct this to save confusion a source is in the article 2012 in British Music where 'Don't You Worry Child' is listed as number one on sales of 135,000 in the same week it lifted --Onlythetruthisappropriate (talk) 22:37, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

AS I have pointed out to you else where. You cannot request changes just because you think the information is incorrect. You need to provide some evidence to support your claim. We need a source to confirm this.Rain the 1 00:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Indeed. It's rather like claims that are sometimes made regarding her album sales, which are higher than the official figures. Personally I'd like to see this go forward to GA or FAC at a future point. It's interesting, and about a popular artist. But for that to happen we need reliable third party sources for everything mentioned. Paul MacDermott (talk) 11:01, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

It's small but quite significant. The article says that her 'views on taxation and the NHS counter to those of the party.' Yet she hasn't expressed any views on the NHS in either of the references given. She complains about taxes and public transport, but the only thing she says about the NHS is that 'she uses it'. Let's remove the part about the NHS please, it makes her seem anti-NHS when all she said was that she uses it. 86.145.201.55 (talk) 19:04, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Additional edit request; please change nationality from English to British - see above talk topic. 31.221.49.179 (talk) 05:04, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, that depends on whether Adele regards herself as British or English. As one familiar with the British v English argument that rumbles on in articles throughout Wikipedia, I suspect this page has been modified several times to reflect one or the other. I'll change it if you can find a source to support this. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:11, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Mother's surname

I think it's worth pointing out that Adele has, unusually (for British people), her mother's surname and not her father's.People having their mother's surname instead of their father's is associated with the Minangkabau, who do NOT live in Britain.

I'm not so sure it's all that important. A British person taking their mother's surname is not as uncommon as you're suggesting. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
It's uncommon enough for there to be a Wikipedia list on the practice. Amynewyork4248 (talk) 01:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
When the parents are not married to each other and the father does not sign when the birth is registered, the child usually receives the mother's surname. Jim Michael (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Live At The Royal Albert Hall

A quick question. Do we include this in her discography? My answer would be no, but there are others who disagree because the DVD includes a CD. Any thoughts? Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

It should be included in her discography under the section video albums. — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
I see it is included in that section of the discography, but do we add it to the main article? Category:Adele (singer) albums includes it so I guess there's an argument to support the idea. Also included are ITunes Festival: London 2011 (Adele EP) and ITunes Live from SoHo (Adele EP), which aren't strictly albums. Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Adelén

Before you ask, I've never heard of her either, but since we have an article about the Norwegian pop singer Adelén I thought a dablink was appropriate here and on that article. it is remotely possible there could be some confusion, although there can't be many people who haven't heard of Adele. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move: → Adele

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. I've gone ahead and closed this; it's uncontroversial enough and has been met with overwhelming approval, so I don't think it's necessary to push this off and add to the backlog. Regards, Tyrol5 [Talk] 23:07, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

– I googled Adele -wikipedia and went through five pages of results. It was 50 results about the singer. So the chance that a reader typing in "Adele" is searching for the singer is nearly 100 percent. Yet the article Adele is just a list of people named Adele, and is without encyclopedic content. Adele (singer) got 720,665 page views in the last 30 days, while Adele got 57,614. Before the singer came to prominence, "Adele" was getting around 10,000 views a month. This suggests that the vast majority of the article's current readers are looking for the singer's article. Kauffner (talk) 20:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Survey

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
An editor came to my talk page voicing concern about my early closure. I had originally thought that WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would merit an early closure as an uncontroversial, policy-based move, but I'm obliged as an administrator to address the concerns of any and every editor about my closures. Any other administrator or editor is more than welcome to, in good faith, revert my closure and move (leading to continuation of discussion) if there's any opposition without any hard feelings between us. If there's anything further, you're more than welcome to ping me on my talk page. Regards, Tyrol5 [Talk] 23:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 March 2013

In the section '21 and greater success' there are some spelling mistakes in the final paragraph. 'The album has sold over 4.5 million copies in the UK where it is the forth best-selling album of all time' should be 'fourth', and 'In October, the album past the 4.5 million mark in the UK' should be 'passed'.

Thanks 62.97.226.46 (talk) 15:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for your contribution. Zheek (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 May 2013

Under "Artistry", please change the sentence "Adele's voice is categorised as contralto." to "Adele's voice is categorised as alto, and she has displayed a range that spans from the low note of C3 to the high note of B5 - equalling 2 octaves and 6 notes." because the latter is more accurate and informative. 72.148.219.77 (talk) 04:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
The article currently uses [3] as a source for the statement. It's not a particularly great reference, because it only says "With her sultry contralto and understated delivery, " in a newspaper article. It's sourced content, though, so you'd need a better reference for your proposed edit to be implemented, certainly for something as detailed as your proposal. You can just link to your source and reactivate this template if you need more help. Thanks. Begoon talk 09:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Adele at 85th Academy Awards.jpg

I'm not entirely convinced that Sola2012 (talk · contribs) owns the copyright to File:Adele at 85th Academy Awards.jpg, so I've removed it from the article and replaced the original. Images of her Oscars appearance have been uploaded previously, and always deleted because the violate copyright guidelines. This Google search suggests the picture has been used extensively by other media. In this image the user claims to be a "paparazzi" who took the picture. It's possible I suppose but I think we should see evidence that he owns the copyright. If I'm wrong then I apologise, but maybe someone more familiar with the Commons process should investigate just to be sure. Thanks Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Please remove and prevent the categorization of Adele as a 'Contralto', or other classical classification.

In an attempt to prevent edit warring, I'm proposing discussion in regards to this topic, as my edits have been frequently reverted (over the course of a few moths). The citation is not accurate or factual; merely an opinion piece, and the author of the article displays no knowledge or experience/education in the field of classical music. This is something that is quite prevalent on Wikipedia; the classification of popular singers in classical terms. The most common I have seen are contraltos and baritones. Adele is simply not a contralto. 'Contralto' is a term that is reserved almost exclusively for operatic roles; a very low female voice type. Classical (I mean in the musical sense, rather than musical period) classifications are largely meaningless outside the operatic and classical scope as within these, singers have set ranges, techniques and repertoire, while popular singers such as Adele have much more flexibility, with ranges that generally don't reach the extremes of true sopranos or contraltos (similarly, bass and tenor with the male voice type). A more accurate description would be 'between the alto and soprano voice types', but this is not solid, or clear and should be avoided.

I believe 'fandom' is effecting the legitimacy of these pages and editors should correct these misleading classification when encountered.

A better alternative would be to simply state her comfortable/common range. The line itself only misleads, rather than inform, as it is highly inaccurate. In short, 'contralto' is an increasingly rare voice classification with particular roles in operatic music, and should not be applied to Adele.

Shade Of Wolf (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Singer-songwriter

I hope my recent addition to "singer-songwriter" here can clear things up regarding this phrase. I Googled both "singer and songwriter" w/"Adele" and "singer-songwriter" w/"Adele" and see that both are common, although the latter can be a common misnomer, since combining "singer" with "songwriter" simply because an artist fulfills both roles (altho one more than the other) is overlooking what the phrase is generally used for and what the singer-songwriter article is about. I hope "singer and songwriter" is an acceptable compromise, since Adele neither writes her own material (the implication with singer-songwriters would be all of their songs), both the lyrics and music to the song, plays them alone with either an acoustic guitar or piano, nor has an understated performing style or musical arrangement. Dan56 (talk) 05:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I have read the source you provided, and there is nothing there that prevents Adele from being included in the singer-songwriter category. Besides, you created an entire definition of the term based on a sole source, and are now using it as a justification to keep your version in the article. Please explain, using your source, why Adele is not a singer-songwriter. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Well singersongwriters write their own material, not co-write, which is the case with both of this artist's albums. Also, along with the single source you referred to, this one that is also cited in the article verifies as well that the singer-songwriter sound is usually spare. This article's section could clarify analytical commentary on her sound and style (Adele#Voice_and_music has a lot of flattering quotes from other artists instead). According to one article by James C. McKinley, Jr. for instance, she is a "singer and songwriter" with "raw vocals and searing lyrics" (in reference to 21), and a "pure, no-frills singer able to fuse heartbreak and melody..." There are various sources that have used "singer-songwriter" or "singer and songwriter", but putting notable critics/journalists' commentary into context would be more appropriate (WP:SUBJECTIVE). Perhaps a critique that mentions that Adele is a singer-songwriter and how could be found and added along with other commentary? Dan56 (talk) 23:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Where exactly does it state that a singer-songwriter must write everything? In that case, is Elton John not a singer-songwriter because he co-writes all his songs with Bernie Taupin? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 01:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
The article says they write their own material, rather than co-write their lyrics, while their producer is the song's composer (in Adele's case, the producers on the songs for 21 presumably wrote the music she performs and sings along to). If we're looking at Elton John#Songwriting, then John would be the composer, and Taupin would be the lyricist. A singer-songwriter performs both those roles ([4]) Dan56 (talk) 02:44, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

correction required

In adele's wiki page, under the section "artistry"; co section "influences" in second line it has been mentioned ago, which has been wrongly written instead of age. Please edit it and correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorrowsteeler (talk • contribs) 16:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks! Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 16:06, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

The title for Adele's photo from the Grammys is wrong. Because it is from the 2012 Grammy Awards and not from the 2013 Grammy Awards. [User:CK_21|CA_21] (talk) 21:31, 13 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.129.131.252 (talk)

Same word, different meaning

To quote from the article on tabloid (newspaper format): "the size is used in the United Kingdom by nearly all local newspapers." Per the WP:BRD cycle, I'm reinstating the sources. Hillbillyholiday81, please refrain from making personal attacks as you've done on my talk page... I remember you've got an agenda against me from previous threads, but this is not the place for such behavior. It's also entirely inappropriate to string-revert without edit summaries. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 00:55, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

More tea, Mr. March Hare? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 01:42, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Talking to yourself now? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Since you're playing dead... Hearfourmewesique (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I sifted through the text, weeding out all poorly sourced stuff, changing refs where possible. One at a time with edit summaries. And you just blind reverted me, reinserting tabloid bullshit yet again. I've lost count, is this the tenth time now? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:55, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Just noticed this discussion and thought I'd add my thoughts. I believe sources such as The Sun and The Mail should generally be avoided, but I think that probably depends on the information being referenced. Anything controversial shouldn't be sourced from a tabloid (tabloid in the traditional sense of the word), but some things are probably ok. Looking through the article I didn't spot anything that would be of concern. Paul MacDermott (talk) 20:07, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
On the whole the information supported by tabloids was not too contentious. However, there is an element of 'pointedness' in the The Mail commenting on her home's valuation and the stuff about taxes. The issue with these sources (The Mail especially) is that they have been proven to be unreliable so many times. They cannot be trusted even for the basic things. Rather than continually debating each time they come up, it is far more sensible to simply not use them unless absolutely necessary (certainly not the case here) and to find other (reputable) sources instead. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:17, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Must confess I try to avoid them as sources if I can, but it's not always possible. Nothing wrong with replacing them if you have other references that say the same thing, or adding them as backup. Agree with you on the political stuff. Unless she actively campaigns for Labour, stands for office or gets a peerage, the information on who she supports is probably not relevant. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:28, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Unless I see a consensus on WP:RS/N regarding the issue, I'm done begging. There is something wrong with replacing those sources. While everyone is more than welcome to add sources, it's absolutely not OK to remove sources just because a particular editor hates them. This is not how Wikipedia works. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 03:24, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Haven't looked recently, but isn't the Sun now pay-per-view? Paul MacDermott (talk) 10:30, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing

I know this has been the subject of a dispute, so I will be nice about it. What makes the Daily Mail and the Sun valid sources for contentious details in this article on a living person? --John (talk) 19:28, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I have removed these per WP:BLPSOURCES. I also took out the Daily Mirror. Contentious statements on a living person need better sourcing than this. --John (talk) 16:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Just to add to this. Generally tabloids like the Sun should be avoided. The Mail is acceptable if there's nothing else, but it should be considered on a case-by-case basis. This is Paul (talk) 23:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Twitter not encyclopedic

There are twitter posts used as references in this article, which is not an encyclopedic source. The latest, referencing a tweet Adele has posted reading "Bye bye 25... See you again later in the year" is used as a source to confirm that her next album, titled 25, will be released later in this year. Come on, guys. Wikipedia can do better than this. This is Paul (talk) 23:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

An update on this, I removed it because it really isn't something we want to be using to reference an article. It's a primary source, and we should apply the GA or FA test to everything, asking whether it would be acceptable there. Chances are the answer would be no, so where GA and FA lead, we should follow. And, of course, this article is of a length that GA is a realistic prospect. There are other twitter refs in this article, and perhaps at some point I'll go through it and weed them out, attempting to replace them with third party references. This is Paul (talk) 23:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

duplicate quotes

The "Pink...Missundaztood...wind tunnel" quote is currently in two places in the article. AnonMoos (talk) 23:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Just noticed this again -- it should be fixed. AnonMoos (talk) 16:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Billboard records

Please delete

With her third release from the album, "Set Fire to the Rain", which became her third number one single in the US, Adele became the first artist in history to lead the Billboard 200 concurrently with three Billboard Hot 100 number-ones.[1]

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference CapitalFM was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

because the reference CapitalFM is not reliable. It probably overlooks the fact that Billboard 200 has been renamed several times - the last being in 1992. In 1964, the list was called Top Lps (see article on Billboard 200 in Wikipedia), and this year the Beatles over a period of 3 months alone had 3 consecutive top hot 100 hits while having the top one (two consecutive albums in fact) at the Billboard 200. The Beatles alltogether had 19 number one albums covering 132 weeks, and 20 number one singles. There are probably other artists also who have had 3 top singles while having the top album. Unless a more reliable source can be found, this whole paragraph should be deleted.


Tobbenb3 (talk) 22:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Looking at the source, it seems reliable enough. Of course, If a source comes to light saying something else, it may be worth looking into it. --Mdann52talk to me! 11:20, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
I thought that I had just shown why the article is not reliable. Then it does not help to read the unreliable article again. The disputed sentence is this: "Adele became the first artist in history to lead the Billboard 200 concurrently with three Billboard Hot 100 number-ones". Here http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_Billboard_200_number-one_albums_of_1964 you can see that Beatles had the top album between February 15 and May 30, 1964. Here http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_1964 you can see that Beatles had the top single after February 15, and at least two more before May 30. It is more than likely that the Beatles repeated this 10 times or more actually, but this need not be proved, since I have shown that the article in question is not reliable in the first place.Tobbenb3 (talk) 15:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 19:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

The source seems sound, but then it does use the qualifier "solo", which could perhaps be added to the text to satisfy all concerns. Inpeacebase (talk) 20:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the use of "solo" further down in the article may explain it. I (and the author of this Wikipedia article) did not notice this. This would be an acceptable change. Thank you for pointing that out. Tobbenb3 (talk) 07:34, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
As my proposal satisfied the request whilst retaining the original information and source, I have now added the word "solo". Inpeacebase (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Superfluous lead (e.g., achievements)

It is an excess achievements checklist, particularly of charts success. All of this should be under the Awards and achievements subsection, and only a few - the most notable - should be stated in the lead. note: things like having "two top-five hits" , her "third number one single" are not notable given the overflow already present.
This (beginning the 4th paragraph): "Adele is the first female in the history of the Billboard Hot 100 to have three singles in the top 10 at the same time as a lead artist, and the first female artist to have two albums in the top five of the Billboard 200 and two singles in the top five of the Billboard Hot 100 simultaneously." is too much considering all the preceding and the following statements. The fourth paragraph should begin with the statement that follows that quote, on album 21 achievement.
Not even The Beatles have a lead like this, or to use a contemporary pop artist example, Lady Gaga. The lead reads like a fan page currently.--Lpdte77 (talk) 05:17, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

You could always rewrite it. This is Paul (talk) 17:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
I am aware one can edit Wikipedia... There's no need to rewrite, just remove the superfluous stuff. I only posted it here for potential discussion. --Lpdte77 (talk) 19:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Go for it. This is Paul (talk) 19:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

2013 image

We have an image of Adele in 2013, which was moved to the lede a couple of times today (like in this diff). However, I restored the 2009 image along with another editor, mainly I did it because I think it's a better head-and-shoulders shot, and actually shows Adele for what she is known as, i.e., a singer. The 2013 image is a full shot of her at the Grammys, and does show her look has changed since 2009, so perhaps we could use a cropped version. Any thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 17:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

The image is already very low resolution, I don't think there would be anything left detail wise if it were cropped further. Theroadislong (talk) 17:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Use the 2013, it is a better image than her 2009 one and you can clearly see her! The 2009 is also 5 years out of date so it is better to use the one that shows what she looks like now, rather than what she used to look like! Huge456 (talk) 18:52, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm always for the better composition rather than the most recent photo. A good head-and-shoulders shot is ideal for the infobox. I think the 2009 image is just fine. No need to update it. Binksternet (talk) 18:59, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Adele (name)

I must admit to having second thoughts about the above move. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:16, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I imagine most searches for Adele are going to be for the singer, but can you elaborate on your thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 12:05, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Political party in infobox

Calvin999 has repeatedly added Adele's support for the Labour Party in the infobox despite being reverted multiple times by myself and This is Paul. Per BRD, it should now be discussed here.

Quite simply, Adele's political support may be documented, but the infobox is a general summary of information that will be most relevant to the reader upon first glance at the article, and as Adele is not notable for political endeavors, it's quite irrelevant. For the same reason we don't include the height and weight in many people's infoboxes, even in instances where height and weight are documented (because in most instances, it is not relevant to their notability), the political preferences should bear no mention in the infobox of someone who is known primarily as a singer-songwriter.

It's not like we're glancing over it entirely, since it is mentioned in the body of the article. –Chase (talk / contribs) 20:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I started a discussion about this at Template talk:Infobox person because I thought we needed to get some consensus on this. I'm not personally convinced its inclusion is necessary, but suppose I can see why people might want to include it. This is Paul (talk) 20:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see you've already found it. :) This is Paul (talk) 20:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
The template talk is more of a general discussion, while this one is focused specifically on this article. –Chase (talk / contribs) 20:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't call twice "repeatedly". I suggest that Infobox singer or Infobox musical artist be reinstated, instead of Infobox person, because she is only a singer. Not an actress or anything else like Beyonce etc., as you say yourself Chase that she is just a singer and songwriter.  — ₳aron 20:43, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm neutral on including political affiliation, but will note this regarding infoboxes: the "infobox person" is much more flexible than any other infobox and can contain more parameters (i.e. spouses, children, net worth, residence, education) that others cannot. Not a major concern in this case, just thought I'd point it out. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Info box persons suits fine for people like Beyonce because she is multi-faceted. Adele is only a singer. Not a businesswoman, not an actress, not a philanthropist, not a producer, not director, not a choreographer so and so forth. Info box person wasn't allowed to be used for Leona Lewis so why is Adele an exception?  — ₳aron 22:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't object to the musical artist infobox. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Singer-songwriter again

Pop artists are not singer-songwriters. "Singer and songwriter" is correct usage. --Lpdte77 (talk) 03:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Pop artists can be singer-songwriters. Adele has written a lot of songs by herself for herself.  — ₳aron 09:05, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
The specific term singer-songwriter means a singer and songwriter in the tradition of American folk music, for instance Bob Dylan. The singer-songwriter usually plays an acoustic guitar or a piano. The message of the song is the most important element, not its beat or its melody or its hook. The message of a singer-songwriter is usually about political issues, social issues, or deeply personal issues. Madonna writes a lot of her songs but she is not a singer-songwriter in the American folk sense. James Taylor is a singer-songwriter despite the fact that some of his songs are playful and poppy.
Adele should be discussed in this context in order to be called a singer-songwriter. Reliable sources should be found talking about the message of her songs being more important than other production elements. Binksternet (talk) 15:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Adele isn't American...  — ₳aron 15:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Quite. Binksternet (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

(←) @Lapadite77 and Binksternet: Adele is referred to as a singer-songwriter by AllMusic, Vogue, The Wall Street Journal, Seattle Times, Daily Mail, and Today (NBC), amid many other sources. –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Daily Mail isn't a reliable source, though the others listed are. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:21, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
The Daily Mail is questionable in its news reporting and should be used with caution, but there's nothing wrong with the context here (a general reference to Adele's artistry). –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Chasewc91, Calvin999 The only reliable source for this is Allmusic. Only music writers/sites would be a RS for usage of music terms (fashion and news sites would have no expertise/considerable knowledge, hence they aren't used as sources for genre articles). Allmusic does not categorize her as a singer-songwriter but refers to her as a singer/songwriter, ergo a singer and songwriter. And like Binksternet said, RS that talk about her music/her approach as conforming to that of a singer-songwriter should be found. I'm not sure where the insistency comes from with respect to using this particular term since they are still being called singers and songwriters. The very fact that Adele, like most other pop artists/singers, employs other writer(s) and producer(s) and she herself does not instrumentally perform the music automatically disqualifies her as a singer-songwriter, not to mention the production approach of her music is not in accordance with traditional singer-songwriters'. --Lpdte77 (talk) 18:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't have a particular insistence; I just don't personally see the point in making a big deal about the separation of the two terms when she is commonly referred to in the media as a singer-songwriter. Times change, terms evolve. I'm not opposed to a "singer, songwriter" listing either. –Chase (talk / contribs) 20:27, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Lapadite77 I've had this discussion elsewhere with other editors. Adele wrote 85% of her first album by herself, and co-wrote each song on her second album with only one other writer, meaning that hardly anyone was involved with the song-writing process. She also uses a guitar to perform with sometimes. Adele, like Taylor Swift and Mariah Carey, are in my opinion, singer-songwriters. People seem to forget that Mariah Carey for example wrote the lyrics to her first six albums entirely by herself, arranged the melodies, and co-produced each and every song. To this day, Mariah still co-writes everything and co-produces everything. Taylor wrote 80% of Red by herself, and wrote all of Speak Now by herself, and she also plays the guitar. I would call people like Katy Perry, Leona Lewis and Rihanna "singer and songwriter", as they don't always write their own material. Would you call Alicia Keys a singer-songwriter then? Because she writes a lot of her own material and plays the piano all the time. What about Ed Sheeran? He always plays his guitar. (You don't have to even write a word to be listed as a songwriter of a song; see Simon Cowell on "Footprints in the Sand"). I don't see why we are applying American folklore to contemporary and modern artists. Times have changed. A singer-songwriter now doesn't mean the same as it did 30, 40 or even 50 years ago.  — ₳aron 10:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Given that you haven't replied despite being online in the past two days and me having pinged you, I take it that you see that your corner is extremely difficult to fight.  — ₳aron 09:22, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Calvin999 Heard of WP:GOODFAITH, WP:CIVIL? Not that it's your concern but I've only been editing articles, I hadn't yet looked at my notifications. Nor is it an imperative issue that needs response the second you comment. To respond to your comment, I've also had this discussion with other editors regarding other pop artists. A percentage doesn't qualify someone as a singer-songwriter, nor is it up to us to reinterpret the term and determine whether they should or shouldn't be categorized as such. As I'd discussed with another editor, It's not merely whether the singer plays an instrument or contributes to their songs, otherwise, as you yourself implied, any recording artist that gets a writing credit and/or takes an instrument on stage once in a while would qualify. It is a very particular term/category, akin to a genre, wherein, as one primary aspect, artists are singlehanded songwriters (compose and arrange the music, and lyrics) and instrumentally perform their music. Regardless, our personal opinion doesn't factor in; It's not up to us to interpret or reinterpret the term as we wish, presuming the meaning of the term has evolved or should evolve - that is original research; it's up to the music writers, the sources used to back up encyclopedic content. It's not reliably sourced in her article that she belongs to the category of singer-songwriters; there is no music writer that appears to discuss her/her music in the context of a singer-songwriter; she's referred to as singer and songwriter or singer/songwriter, i.e. a singer who writes/co-writes (typically lyrics in modern popular music and perhaps some melody contribution) a portion of their songs. If a RS, a music site, i.e., a source with expertise, categorizes her or discusses her as a singer-songwriter then it should be applied to her, otherwise it's currently unsourced, original research, and misleading, therefore should not be in the article. It comes down to that really, not our opinions. And clearly, rather bizarrely, there is an insistence.--Lpdte77 (talk) 20:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't believe I said anything in bad faith or not civil. I'm only saying what qualified writers and critics say, so I don't see how you are saying that it is original research or solely my opinion. Either way, you still ignored all that I said, further adding to my the second comment I made.  — ₳aron 11:38, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
@Calvin999: "I'm only saying what qualified writers and critics say, so I don't see how you are saying that it is original research or solely my opinion" →‎ e.g., "Adele, like Taylor Swift and Mariah Carey, are in my opinion, singer-songwriters", "I would call people like Katy Perry, Leona Lewis and Rihanna "singer and songwriter"...", "Would you call Alicia Keys a singer-songwriter then?", "Times have changed. A singer-songwriter now doesn't mean the same as it did 30, 40 or even 50 years ago" -- personal opinions/pov, original research is inappropriate. WP:PROVEIT, simple as that. Content needs to be reliable sourced, in this case from music site/writer (note: not some blog or fashion site). It is currently not, therefore it has no place there in that state. When a music site categorizes her as a singer-songwriter (with that dash, meaning that term) then she can be cited as such. If content in article is not reflecting content in cited sources then it is original research and not editing with a neutral pov; content should be encyclopedic in nature, not an editorial. --Lapad (talk) 06:24, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
But Chase has given you multiple examples above. Aside from my opinion, critics also describe her as singer-songwriter.  — ₳aron 18:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Instruments

There is no attribution to Adele playing keyboards or percussion in her article or albums' articles. --Lpdte77 (talk) 18:31, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Filmography

Peachywink, the filmography section should not be as is anyway, since it consists of "self" appearances as a performer + an interview, not acting credits in film or television. Lapadite (talk) 04:01, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Adele's Nationality

It is not incorrect to say that she is British but it would be more accurate to specify and say that she is English, since she is from the country of England. A British person can either be English (England), Scottish (Scotland), or Welsh (Wales). The United Kingdom is a sovereign state that consists of several countries. A person's nationality, here on Wikipedia, is determined by the country that they're from. Therefore, it is more accurate to say that Adele is English, since Great Britain and the United Kingdom are not actually countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doubletoasted01 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Our article on the United Kingdom describes it both as a sovereign state and a country, but generally with articles on UK nationals, we should stick with the default nationality unless there's a good reason to change it. For example, were Adele herself to say that she identified as English rather than British then we'd reflect that in her article. This is Paul (talk) 20:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Paul is correct. Doubletoasted, your ideas about Great Britain and the UK not being countries are pretty wide of the mark, and I can inform you that British people can obviously not simply be English, Welsh or Scottish. Quite apart from the Northern Ireland question, a person can be a mixture, as Adele clearly is. Where there is any doubt, we stick to sovereign nationality. Your nationality is stated on your passport, and Adele's will say British. Not only that, you can see on the article talk page a consensus for British. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

A British person can simply be English, Welsh, or Scottish. It depends on where they are from, and in Adele's case, she is from England. Therefore, she is English. Nearly every British person is referred to as English, Welsh, or Scottish on Wikipedia. How is this any different for Adele? Even though her father is Welsh, she was born and raised in England. Therefore, she is English. A British person whose parents are not from Great Britain or the same British country does not change the fact that they are either English, Scottish, or Welsh, depending on where exactly they are from.

From my understanding, she is referred to as British and not English because her father is from Wales. Ethnically, she is a mixture (English from her mother and Welsh from her father). However, a person's nationality is supposed to be based on where they are from, not their ethnicity. She is from England. Therefore, she is English. Her father being from Wales does not make her not English and only British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perrie101 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

@Perrie101: – Firstly, your understanding of English / Scottish / Welsh is not correct. There is no hard and fast rule to decide who is English or whatever, as there is no official nationality of English / Scottish / Welsh / Northern Irish. Because these are not sovereign states, it doesn't matter where someone was born, it's just a matter of self-identification. Birthplace is simply not strictly a defining factor. Tony Blair is a good example. I myself was technically born in England, but I am not ethnically nor in any other sense English, and there is no official paperwork or personal documentation which says I am. Adele is referred to as British because she announced that she's proud to be British and it's sourced. She may identify as much with Wales as England, as many, many people with mixed parentage do. If she came out with something like "I'm English" then it can be changed. But Wikipedia goes by reliable sources. You would need to be able to back up your idea about nationality and ethnicity with reliable sources too. Britishness is always 100% verifiable (therefore reliable), and Englishness / Scottishness etc rarely is. Where there is doubt, extra sources are needed. Secondly, it's better to have this out on the relevant talk page, not here. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:16, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Where are the sources that state that Adele identifies as British? And what explains that almost every British person is referred to as English, Scottish, or Welsh here on Wikipedia if that is incorrect to you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perrie101 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

It got archived along with the rest of the discussion; it's here [5]. I have not said it is incorrect to refer to British people as English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish, but it is wrong to do so without it being verifiable. All BLPs should be reliably sourced, and just taking a random stab at it based on where someone was born is just chronically poor editing, and totally unencyclopedic. This is very badly policed on Wikipedia, and it's one of the aspects that shows it up badly against proper encyclopedias. Lots of British BLPs show the subject as English / Scottish etc with nothing to back it up whatsoever. "British" is never wrong, but anything else risks inaccuracy if it's thoughtlessly done. Plenty of BLPs do describe the subject as British, however; Tony Blair being one, Sean Connery (perhaps surprisingly) being another, off the top of my head. If you can find something where Adele says she's English, or Welsh, then it can be changed. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Why would anything else other than British risk inaccuracy? And why would Adele identify with Wales just as much as with England if she was born and raised in England by her single English mother without her Welsh father? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doubletoasted01 (talk • contribs) 22:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Why would it? Because she's described herself as British. That would suggest that anything else might be inaccurate. As for the other, you'd perhaps better ask her. You imply that Englishness (or Welshness) can be divined by somebody who doesn't even know her, just by taking a cursory look at her upbringing. Just guesswork, and it has no place in an encyclopedia. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:40, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

It's only a matter of where a person was born and raised. She was born and raised in England. She is British, but she is also English and saying that someone is English is more accurate and specific because it destinguishes them from other British people who come from different countries such as Scotland and Wales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doubletoasted01 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

That's the problem right there. You think it's just down to where someone was born and raised. Got a source for that? That might be true for some people, but for others that's completely misleading. People can identify with whatever nationality they want, without having this stuff forced upon them by people who make guesses. She has said she's British; she hasn't said she's English. I don't think that's too hard to grasp. Do you ever sign your posts? Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Here is a source for Adele describing herself as English: “But I sounded like Dick Van Dyke doing it — even though I’m English, I was putting on this fake English accent,” she says. “So it’s not something I want to pursue, acting. I just want to be a singer, and I don’t think you can be good at lots of things. You can be good at one thing, and mediocre at all the others" - http://carnageandculture.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/english-music-superstar-adele-23-and.html. As you said above, 'if you can find something where Adele says she's English, or Welsh, then it can be changed', it would make sense to change her nationality to English on the official page. Especially given when most English celebrities on Wikipedia, such as Christian Bale or Lily Allen, are referred to as being 'English' rather than 'British'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.10.144 (talk) 16:21, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Anyone for Tenuous? She doesn't actually say "I'm English" now does she? And we can't use a blog anyway. This is Paul (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
It's the kind of thing that might possibly be useful if it were a reliable source. You would still need to establish a consensus, and also bear in mind that the above editors calling for "English" (Doubletoasted01 and Perrie101) are both the same person and both blocked, so they don't count. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:51, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


Well yes she actually did Paul, if you read the quote: "“But I sounded like Dick Van Dyke doing it — even though I’m English".

I'm perplexed as to why this such a big issue to you guys, surely if artists like Amy Winehouse or Lily Allen is listed on Wikipedia as being 'English singers', then wouldn't it make sense to also list Adele as one for consistency's sake? You don't seem to be trying to change all the other singer's wikipedia profiles to 'British', do you? You're not exactly on Duffy's wikipedia trying to edit it from 'Welsh singer' to British.

And here's another source from her official profile on Vogue: "Rose Moon, who travels with Adele and works for her management company, tells me, “She just comes across as very approachable, just a normal English girl, and so people say hello and want to talk to her everywhere she goes" - http://www.vogue.com/865375/adele-one-and-only/

I'll be interested to see what kind of weak excuse you'll come up with for rejecting this one as well ^

Or is an official article on Vogue not a credible source now, either?

I'm sure you can understand that what happens on other articles doesn't have the slightest effect on what happens on this one. Why should it? Your new source is also ropey; a passing remark by someone other than the subject. And while you're asking why it's such a big issue to others, why is it such a big issue to you? All you ever do (under that IP anyway) is change "British" to "English". Why's that, then? In any case, since neither is right or wrong, you need a consensus to overturn the existing consensus. You're alone at the moment. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:33, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


Do you have a source for her saying "I'm British"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.10.144 (talk) 10:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

In response to the IP's last comment (no longer here), here is the source for British [6]. "I'm so proud to be British" flying our flag etc etc. Any source for English is going to have to trump that. It's got nothing to do with shutting down debates or conspiracy theories. Just the usual Wikipedia process. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
It's actually still there as they posted in the section below this one. This is Paul (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, haha, well thanks, I didn't think to look there, perhaps unsurprisingly. I thought it got deleted. I've moved it to this section so it makes more sense. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
No worries, I had a bit of a hissy fit about this earlier on and closed the discussion, but then thought on reflection it probably wasn't such a good idea. This is Paul (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
No problem :) Yeah, we can leave it open in case anyone else wants to have a say. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Geri Halliwell

@Carlos Rojas77: To elaborate, I wasn't cringing because Adele has stated Geri Haliwell as an influence, I was because the section draws too much attention to her which is unsubstantiated. When you scratch the surface, you realise there are a number of problems. The first is what the text is saying: Haliwell is described as her favourite Spice Girl, and it is noted that she "loves" the Spice Girls and says "they made her what [she] is", but then this is construed as meaning they are a "major influence in regard to her love and passion for music" which is not what the source says. The sources seem to point to the fact that she was enjoyed and was influenced by the Spice Girls as a child, but they don't go into any further detail. It is for that reason that I think the picture should be excluded. It would be different if sources could be found that substantiate the Spice Girls as having major impact on Adele's singing or an album, but otherwise the picture of Haliwell attaches undue weight to her influence on her career and seems to tenuously tie in with the fact she liked the Spice Girls. I'm not a fan of putting pictures, partiuclarly of other popular figures, on BLPs unless there is a really good reason why. What's more, the sources being used are from Now magazine, which are clearly not reliable, especially seeing as this article is in quite good shape, and, with work, I believe could pass for GA. —JennKR | ☎ 20:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I've always thought the inclusion of Halliwell's picture was unnecessary as it made the article look too crowded. But assuming there was enough room, if any image should be there, surely it should be someone with greater influence, like say, Etta James or Ella Fitzgerald, whose music seems to have inspired her own career much more. This is Paul (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
I also agree. Like the OP, I never really like seeing images of other people in BLPs. I just don't see a strong enough rationale for including Halliwell's photo here. A photo of the two of them together might be different. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:03, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

BRIT Awards 2012 : James Corden interrupts Adele's speech

Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Adele has changed the lives of millions, as her music connects with people on a deeper level than most other musicians of her kind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirperez (talk • contribs) 14:19, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

This article made the Top 25 Report again

This article was the eighth most popular on Wikipedia according to the Top 25 Report with 903,238 views for the week November 15 to 21, 2015. 25 was released November 20. This article has been in the Top 25 every week for the last five. Congratulations to the editors of this article for the exposure of their work.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  07:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2015

File:151026-adele-640x426.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.160.126.234 (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Adele's Ethnicity

During an interview conducted by Dutch TV RTL in 2009 Adele confirmed that she was of Turkish, Spanish and English extraction. http://www.dailysabah.com/nation/2015/12/10/my-family-is-turkish-spanish-english-adele-tells-dutch-tv-in-her-2009-interview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.130.229 (talk) 13:42, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Is that reported by any other sources? This is Paul (talk) 16:51, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Who cares? We're all every ethnicity if you go back far enough. Unless it's particularly important to her then it's neither relevant nor interesting. Btljs (talk) 19:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Well, Btljs, I was just being polite because I suspected there probably wouldn't be any others, but I do tend to agree with you. It's not important unless she thinks so. This is Paul (talk) 22:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)::: It's important to her and she is proud of her heritage. Why shouldn't she be? Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95x82DxXY0 scroll to 7:01 and hear from her mouth for yourselves.
Everyone is something else if you go back far enough.  — Calvin999 11:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes that maybe the case but Adele identifies with her roots just like Kim Kardashian identifies with her Armenian roots. Arn't biographies and Wikipaedia articles meant to contain all information relating to an individual or topic? Why should we omit Adele's roots? It's not like she did a DNA test to determine her roots. She identifies as being of Turkish, Spanish, English ancestry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.130.229 (talk) 14:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Well it would be odd if someone born and raised in the US didn't identify with their American roots. I'm not sure what your point is there. Really this information isn't important, unless Adele makes a big thing of it, and as far as I can see she hasn't. Like the rest of us she probably acknowledges that, if we trace our family history back far enough, we all have ancestors from other parts of the world. This is Paul (talk) 17:36, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Paul please re-read my post. I made a reference to the fact that Kim Kardashian identifies with her ARMENIAN [Emphasis added] roots not AMERICAN as you have interpreted it. If Adele identifies with her Turkish, Spanish and English roots what is wrong with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.130.229 (talk) 04:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Oh yes, so you did. :) I thought it was a bit of an odd thing to say. To be fair though the words do look very similar at a quick glance. This is Paul (talk) 18:25, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

"Arn't biographies and Wikipaedia articles meant to contain all information relating to an individual or topic?" > No, they are meant to contain a reasonable amount of important and notable information. This is notable if: 1. Lots of sources report it; 2. Adele consistently refers to it; 3. It is reflected somehow in her work ("River Bosphorus" perhaps?) Otherwise it's like reporting someone's hair colour because they once told an interviewer they were having a blonde moment. Btljs (talk) 20:58, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Who is the judge of whether it is "reasonable" and "notable" this is a subjective test incapable of being a determinant of relevant information. Its not like Kim Kardashian speaks about her Armenian roots at every opportunity. It's not like Zayn Malik speaks about his Islamic roots at every opportunity. Yet their Wikipedia entries mention it. Why not for Adele aswell? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.130.229 (talk) 14:17, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
We are the judges - all of us editors. We interpret the criteria laid down in the WP:MOS as to what is notable in each individual case. There is no legal precedent in deciding these things, so it is not directly relevant to a page on one person what is or isn't included on a page about another. Having said all that, if you can point to several references where Adele's ethnicity is discussed, then there is a case for including it. (By the way, you should sign your comments by typing ~~~~ at the end.) Btljs (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2015

Split the paragraph containing details of album 25 so that 25 is in a paragraph of its own. Paf uk (talk) 10:12, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

@Paf uk: Do you meant the paragraph in the lede section? It is only three sentences long and the lede is already four paragraphs long, which is the rule-of-thumb maximum length for a lede. Any other opinions? /wia🎄/tlk 19:44, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Not done: Paragraph in lead is fine per Wikiisawesome's comments, as is the level 3 section 2015: 25. Sam Sailor Talk! 13:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Adele proposal

Just a reminder that there is an ongoing discussion regarding the potential creation of WikiProject Adele. All comments are welcome and appreciated! MaranoFan (talk) 11:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Infobox image

The image is 7 years old and in black and white. In my opinion, it is a very outdated image. I would prefer File:Adele someone like you - cropped-2.jpg or even File:2013 GGA Adele.jpg over the one in the infobox. Thoughts? --MaranoFan (talk) 16:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I think the first one is probably better as it shows what she does. She just appears to be waving in the other one. This is Paul (talk) 19:08, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
The image in the article may be 7 years old but it's still the best headshot of her uploaded on here to date. Those two do not compare in that respect: a sideways despondent look, and a wave from the distance in the other. --RyanTQuinn (talk) 20:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Vocal range.

Hello, I've been trying to post this reference regarding her vocal range. It says that she's a contralto, not mezzo-soprano and it keeps getting reverted. [7].

Not trying to be rude, but if its because some people actually read the reference and reverted anyways due to them believing she's a mezzo, they have to accept the fact she's a contralto. Just saying. --XenaDance-- (talk) 20:43, 13 January 2016 (UTC) --XenaDance--

It's probably because the website is not regarded as a reliable source. If you can find something else that says she is a contralto, like a quality newspaper, then I would think it should be all right. This is Paul (talk) 21:23, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Is this one good enough? [1]

--XenaDance-- (talk) 21:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC) --XenaDance--

Yes that's great. This is Paul (talk) 22:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Gilbert, Andrew (January 26, 2009). "Singer-songwriter Adele brings introspection to Brit-soul scene". Seattle Times.

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Vocal range section.

There are websites (sources) stating she is a contralto. not mezzo-soprano. Please tell me what is wrong with these sources I tried to post???[1][8] [9] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:5800:2C40:BC8C:FE9:76A7:8435 (talk) 05:21, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Have a read of this article from Classic FM, which states: Many people hear her low notes and instantly assume that she must be a contralto - but don’t be deceived. She actually produces these signature growls using quite a tense chest mix, her voice really comes into its own as she moves up in her register, becoming most clear between C4 (middle C) to C5. When you also consider her warm, rich tone, it’s most likely that she’s a lyric mezzo-soprano. While it's not specifically confirming she's a mezzo-soprano it's ruling her out as a contralto. I'd reckon they know what they're talking about. Wouldn't you agree? This is Paul (talk) 23:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
I'd also add that because the second citation noted that she has a five octave vocal range, which is complete sensationalised nonsense, negates the reliability of the source. Add to the fact that if you dig through the net the general consensus is that she is a mezzo, particularly following surgery in which her voice lightened and she admittedly gained notes in the upper register. This along with cessation of smoking has changed her voice. BrotherDarksoul Blether 28 March 2018, 11:56 UTC
Agreed. I think the current description of "mezzo" is well supported, and I share your opinion on not using contralto, particularly given the quoted explanation of why people incorrectly assume this. Also agree with your comment about the second source weakening its own position with the "five octave vocal range". -- Begoon 18:13, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok then, why not use both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:5800:2C40:C994:A51A:31BE:A2B6 (talk) 17:53, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering if we could quote Classic FM's piece somewhere to explain that some people mistake her voice as contralto. It might clear up the confusion. This is Paul (talk) 18:29, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
You know, I quite like that idea - my only worry is that might "encourage" further expansion on the "debate" within the article, which could become WP:UNDUE. -- Begoon 05:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
That's a great idea! Its always a contentious issue regarding contemporary singers and vocal classification. The thing with Adele is her voice has indeed changed over time, and I suspect it probably will again (her technique is disturbing to listen to at times). I don't mind adding that wee bit to the article.BrotherDarksoul Blether 30 March 2018, 11:50 UTC
Sounds great! No more edit-warring on the vocal range section, lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:5800:2C40:811D:CA88:AE0B:579E (talk) 14:15, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Let's hope not, eh? BTW, thanks BrotherDarksoul for adding this. This is Paul (talk) 15:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
No worries at all! :) BrotherDarksoul Blether 1 April 2018, 13:50 UTC

References

  1. ^ Gilbert, Andrew (26 January 2009). "Singer-songwriter Adele brings introspection to Brit-soul scene". The Seattle Times. Archived from the original on 27 April 2012. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

She conducted Alan Carr's marriage

I did initially wonder if this was a late April Fool's joke, but it seems she's confirmed it to be true after Carr mentioned it on a magazine programme today (see this story). I'm just wondering what we do here. The story says she's "ordained" but is unclear as to what that actually means. Is she an ordained minister, or just licensed to conduct marriages? Is this information worth adding to her bio? Any thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 19:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

This is running Wild on Twitter & British News Papers (BUT) the big Ref is The BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43632598 Pauseypaul (talk) 00:07, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Occupation/notable role: addition of multi-instrumentalist

Moonlop has added multi-instrumentalist to the lead intro, citing The Telegraph: "Yet there was always a sense of substance about Adele, a multi-instrumentalist (she plays guitar, piano and bass) with a huge voice..." . As the occupation(s) listed in lead intros should be those integral to the subject's life/career per the aggregate of reliable sources, one source mentioning it isn't enough to encyclopedically note that the subject is primarily known as multi-instrumentalist (like she is a singer and songwriter). Since this is pertaining occupations for which the subject is notable, there should be at least several reliable sources considering the artist as a multi-instrumentalist in this fashion (part of her notability). In a cursory search, I have not found other reliable sources noting this. Moonlop, are there other high quality sources that support this occupation as notable to her career? If not, the instrument(s) the artist has played can be noted in an artistry section. (note: for reference, two examples of an artists known as multi-instrumentalists are Stevie Wonder and Prince). Lapadite (talk) 21:09, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

As there seems to be only the one source saying this, and since one can argue any number of musicians could be regarded as multi-instrumentalists I'd say the opening line should read "Adele Laurie Blue Adkins MBE (/əˈdɛl/; born 5 May 1988) is an English singer, songwriter and musician". That she plays guitar, piano, etc, is well documented, but using a specific term to describe the sort of musician she is needs to be well sourced from multiple outlets. This particular statement isn't. In fact, if you Google "Adele" "multi-instrumentalist" the Telegraph article isn't even the first hit. It's currently this one, followed by the one at the Simple English Wikipedia. This is Paul (talk) 23:16, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I support that compromise, provided there are other reliable sources that consider her a musician (as in an artist known for playing an instrument). This does need to be sourced in the article for lead inclusion. In the meantime, I'll remove multi-instrumentalist from the lead intro. Lapadite (talk) 06:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes I agree it would need to be sourced. This is Paul (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

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Born

She was born in Tottenham, she lived there for 10 years... change it please DaRealReal (talk) 03:54, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Marriage date

The Irish Independent is reporting the marriage date as 4 May 2018.[1] This differs from the year 2017 already included and cited. Is this possibly due to different registration dates in the US and the UK, or something else? Should this be included? Shuipzv3 (talk) 05:48, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Southern, Keiran (14 September 2019). "Adele cites 'irreconcilable differences' in divorce from Simon Konecki". Irish Independent. Retrieved 14 September 2019.
Also the divorce date in the box needs fixing, they are not yet officially divorced. See: https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/adele-simon-konecki-finalize-their-divorce-after-nearly-2-years/ (even this headline is misleading, the article says they are not yet officially done). FWIW. --2603:7000:2145:5400:5D6B:8F1D:DA17:B7A8 (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Image

Chang the picture 07225535Nm (talk) 18:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2021

Adele is from Tottenham as she has stated many times. I think that should be changed the same way Beyoncé specifies she’s from Huston, Texas. For Adele it should be Tottenham, London Factsprovider (talk) 20:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

30

"Easy on Me" did not debut at the top of the US hot 100. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.102.69.223 (talk) 16:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Philanthropy

Philanthropic section says her American tour donated US$20 doesn’t it mean MILLION?? So much for editors 97.75.147.131 (talk) 21:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2021

Change date for her relationship with Simon Konecki from 2018-2021 to 2018-2019, as they are divorced. 206.255.65.93 (talk) 03:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Talk 03:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Sandiego.com

A new user added R&B as Adele's main genre faking the source, saying that he put a The San Diego Union-Tribune article, while in reality It is a "Sandiego.com" source, which Is a promotional hotel site. --Morce Library (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sasha Carter

I recently learned Adele copes with stage fright by pretending to be Sasha Carter. This is not mentioned, and yet there are several apparently good sources.[10][11]— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:00, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not seeing an objection so I'll go ahead.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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Adele is realising her new music video for her album 30 41.115.93.177 (talk) 09:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2022

89.212.74.201 (talk) 11:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I just want you to know that i dont thunk theese albums were neamed by her age

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Accent

Any information on why she seems to sing with an American accent? Has she commented on this, for instance? Paul Magnussen (talk) 00:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2022

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Whitney Houston,[1]

References

  1. ^ "Adele on Whitney Houston".
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Proposed move

(Non-admin closure) There's clear consensus against renaming the page, and I don't foresee anybody besides NYC Guru supporting such a move in the near future. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

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I propose the following moves. I could do this myself, but would like establish a consensus as to whether the move could be done or not.

Move Adele to Adele Adkins

Redirect Adele to Adele (disambigution)

Her music identifies her by her first name only. But should this be the only reason she have her bio on the first name depsite many women called "Adele"? This is the point of discussion. NYC Guru (talk) 08:36, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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Pronunciation

I just found a news article that said that Adele’s name is actually pronounced “huh-dale”. I don’t know how to change the pronunciation on this article. Can someone please change the pronunciation of Adele’s name for me? Seinfeld429 (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Can you post a link to the article here? This is Paul (talk) 21:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

https://news.yahoo.com/adele-said-weve-pronouncing-her-190514606.html Seinfeld429 (talk) 21:33, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Let's see if it gets picked up by any other outlets. Apart from Yahoo News, at the moment only Buzzfeed and Newsbreak appear to be mentioning it. This is Paul (talk) 21:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

There is a video of the incident, as it were. However, it looks as if the current cited source has transcribed her pronunciation pretty poorly - the current IPA pronunciation seems to be way off either what the common pronunciation is, or even her own. 84.92.90.18 (talk) 15:11, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes to all of this, but whoever added the IPA symbols got it wrong. The first vowel is unstressed, and so it must be /ə/ not /ʌ/. For example, Adele = /ə'deɪl/ Rwwiley83 (talk) 19:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Accented English can be difficult to spell so it doesn't surprise me if they got it wrong. This is Paul (talk) 20:06, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Yes. Yahoo News misinterpreted Hi Adele as Hadele. But the point Ms Atkins is clearly trying to make is that where she is from, her name is pronounced with a w sound at the end. Something like [əˈdɛw]. --Akkolon (talk) 16:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, it's not about the vowel but about l-vocalization, which is not phonemic but allophonic, so the correct way to transcribe it in compliance with our Help:IPA/English key is still /əˈdɛl/. These sources get it right: Contrary to reports this week, you are pronouncing Adele's name correctly – just not in her dialect. ... Adele pronounces the “l” in her name as a “w,” which is a feature of Cockney English known as dark L-vocalization. So, she is saying "uh-dehw." (A professor of linguistics explained to iHeartRadio.ca that North American English does not have this combination of sounds – which caused some media outlets to erroneously report that she is pronouncing her name "uh-dale.") Nardog (talk) 06:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
thank you! i was sure this is what was happening but the media rushed to 'correct' us... 2600:1700:5E90:3640:6C24:C60:C607:BDE1 (talk) 14:35, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2022

Change born information from “London, England” to “Tottenham, London, England” DaRealReal (talk) 16:43, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Seems legitimate Daw1978 (talk) 10:18, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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