Talk:2024 PASOK – KINAL leadership election
No need for two rounds polls
[edit]User:Thepottato I think that now with these additions for the second round we are reaching the limits of Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE. the article is in need of text, not polls. Τhere is no reason to divide the polls into first and second rounds especially since this is not done by the sources. The first round headline is your guess, the polls don't say that. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 18:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, we need to make some rules then, do we include polls only done on PASOK – KINAL voters, do we only include polls done on the general population, do we include hypothetical second round polls? Using those rules would clarify and potentially clean up (if that is what is needed) the page of unnecessary polls, and we could also apply those rules retroactively to the 2021 election article. All that i ask is that we form consensus over this. The sources do divide the polls into different sections, (but they also did with the ones done on the general population but we reached a consensus on greek wiki to include them in the same box and i obviously copied them over here as they were the only template i had going on), but maybe we could include everything in one box, but even then that would get too bloated, see, there's a reason why i seperated them... Hmm, what is it really that you're asking for? To remove the hypothetical second round polls altogether? You're a bit vague. Tell me exactly what options you are giving me. Lydia (talk) 19:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ideally, yes, that's what I'd like. Not to write about the second round - I don't think it's notable. Imagine after 5 years...do you think the hypothetical polls will have any value? Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 19:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Other places in wiki include hypothetical polls all the time, just go to Template:Future opinion polling, click on either the senatorial or the gubenatorial elections in the US and you will see countless examples of hypothetical polls being included in pages. Also, other places in wiki include a lot of polls all the time and do not have much text in their articles either. Just look at the page for the 2024 San Francisco mayoral election for example. Lydia (talk) 19:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Νone of the relevant pages have this double match candidate-to-candidate. This I consider useless. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 20:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- The page for Nationwide opinion polling for the 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries has a lot of head-to-head polling... But at the same time it is a seperate page, which kind of defeats the purpose. Anyways, i believe that we are covered by hiding the polls under a collapsible table, which does not bloat the page. Also, i do not mind if you temporarily remove the second round polls before this discussion ends, (if anything, now that the first round ones have been refined, the second round ones stick out). Lydia (talk) 09:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not removing anything. I think when the real second round polls start coming in, the hypothetical ones will have no meaningful existence, Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. But, we should do something about the polls done to the general population, do we follow the same rule agreed on greek wiki? do we do something else? Lydia (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, do as you think. I don't have any problem about that. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 20:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. But, we should do something about the polls done to the general population, do we follow the same rule agreed on greek wiki? do we do something else? Lydia (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not removing anything. I think when the real second round polls start coming in, the hypothetical ones will have no meaningful existence, Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- The page for Nationwide opinion polling for the 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries has a lot of head-to-head polling... But at the same time it is a seperate page, which kind of defeats the purpose. Anyways, i believe that we are covered by hiding the polls under a collapsible table, which does not bloat the page. Also, i do not mind if you temporarily remove the second round polls before this discussion ends, (if anything, now that the first round ones have been refined, the second round ones stick out). Lydia (talk) 09:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Νone of the relevant pages have this double match candidate-to-candidate. This I consider useless. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 20:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Other places in wiki include hypothetical polls all the time, just go to Template:Future opinion polling, click on either the senatorial or the gubenatorial elections in the US and you will see countless examples of hypothetical polls being included in pages. Also, other places in wiki include a lot of polls all the time and do not have much text in their articles either. Just look at the page for the 2024 San Francisco mayoral election for example. Lydia (talk) 19:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ideally, yes, that's what I'd like. Not to write about the second round - I don't think it's notable. Imagine after 5 years...do you think the hypothetical polls will have any value? Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 19:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Colors of the Candidates
[edit]Hi @Basque mapping, i would like to ask you some questions and raise some objections regarding your choices on the colors of each candidate for the elections.
1. Shouldn't Geroulanos get the orange color treatment this time? I don't remember why he got the yellow treatment back in 2021, and with a brief search i couldn't yield any results. He currently uses mostly orange in his campaign.
2. I believe that Giannakopoulou's placement of the color pink/dark fucshia is completely arbitrary, and i would like for you to justify it, since i couldn't find anything in her social media that links to it. The only possible link that we could have takes us to Andreas Loverdos' color, #2ECD16, since she campaigned for him back in 2021 and they have similar positions. But if that happens, we have to reconsider Doukas' color, in case 4.
3. I also propose that we slightly adjust Diamantopoulou's color from #9EC261, to #BFEA86, in order to perfectly match with her website material, but you have probably already thought of that, so tell me why you chose to adjust the saturation, same with case 5.
4. If we adjust Giannakopoulou's color to be the same as Loverdos', then i propose that we lighten Doukas' color to portray his ecological leanings.
5. Finally, why did you choose to adjust the saturation on Katrinis' color? He does use red outside of green, but like, not that shade of red.
I await your comments. Lydia (talk) 08:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Thepottato! I appreciate a lot your suggestions, as I must admit that I did not research that much when I assigned the colors of the candidates. For some candidates I just took the color they used in 2021 and the colors used in the Greek article, for the others I just picked some distinguishable colors. Now I have consulted some of the campaign material of the candidates (they do not really have any distinguishable colors) and tried to use some of your recommendations to assign new colors. I maintain Androulakis' shade, use orange for Geroulanos as you suggested, and change the red tone of Katrinis. For Doukas I used a more "ecological" green I found in his website [1]. I attempted to use a light green for Giannakopoulou that can be easily distinguished from Doukas which can also resemble that of Loverdos. Lastly, I think that your proposal for Diamantopoulou is so light that it cannot be seen properly, so I picked a distinct purple that she uses on her website [2].
| Candidate | Color |
|---|---|
| Androulakis | #007838 |
| Geroulanos | #F47921 |
| Giannakopoulou | #2ABA72 |
| Diamantopoulou | #8C1157 |
| Doukas | #7ABA1E |
| Katrinis | #E4010F |
- Do not hesitate to tell me if you have any problem with this proposal so that we can achieve a consensus for the article. Cheers! :D Basque mapping (talk) 20:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, i hope i did not put you into too much trouble :). I wholeheartedly agree with the colors you have suggested, even with Diamantopoulou's, as it truly cannot be seen with a white background. I also apologize if i came across as rude or aggressive. I am happy that we have reached a consensus, and i hope to transfer it to greek wiki once the election ends (weird unwritten rules block us from adding an infobox). Lydia (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, don't worry, I really appreciate your contributions to the article and your suggestions. You are anything but rude and I hope we can keep working on this article or else :) Basque mapping (talk) 21:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, i hope i did not put you into too much trouble :). I wholeheartedly agree with the colors you have suggested, even with Diamantopoulou's, as it truly cannot be seen with a white background. I also apologize if i came across as rude or aggressive. I am happy that we have reached a consensus, and i hope to transfer it to greek wiki once the election ends (weird unwritten rules block us from adding an infobox). Lydia (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)