Talk:1993 Men's Ice Hockey World Championships

Disputed

I am unable to find any source claiming the Czech and Slovak Republics participated as a united team. Contrariwise:

The medallists list at iihf.com lists “Czech Republic” as the bronze medallist.
The history page at the ČSLH page (in Czech) states the last united Czechoslovakian team was the team competing at 1993 U20 Championships.
The Czech version of the article lists the complete rosters, with the Czech roster being Czech-only.

--Mormegil (talk) 22:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Probably you should apply this certain facts to articles.

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Czech_Republic_men%27s_national_ice_hockey_team

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Czechoslovakia_national_ice_hockey_team

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Slovakia_men's_national_ice_hockey_team

Czech version of the article speaks 1993 as CZ only

http://cs.wiki.x.io/wiki/Mistrovstv%C3%AD_světa_v_ledn%C3%ADm_hokeji_1993

Slovenian (not Slovakia, but Slovenia) and English version of the article as Czechoslovakia in 1993

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/1993_Men%27s_World_Ice_Hockey_Championships

http://sl.wiki.x.io/wiki/Svetovno_prvenstvo_v_hokeju_na_ledu_1993

http://sl.wiki.x.io/wiki/Češkoslovaška_hokejska_reprezentanca

I apologize. The 1993 IIHF championship article on English and Slovenian (not Slovakian) Wikipedia is wrong and I believed them.

from Czech version

Na šampionátu poprvé vystoupila samostatná česká reprezentace (1. ledna 1993 došlo k rozdělení Československa na Českou a Slovenskou republiku) a získala bronzové medaile. Nejlepším brankářem šampionátu byl vyhlášen Petr Bříza který udržel průměr obdržených branek na zápas pod číslem 2.

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On this championship for the first time played Czech national team (1 January 1993, the division of Czechoslovakia into Czech and Slovak Republics) and won bronze medals.

= That means .... = Absolutely Sure = 1993 IIHF championship = is CZ only

--89.176.237.22 (talk) 23:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I changed the articles. --Mormegil (talk) 20:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thx. I just checked all language versions and other relating articles and seems to look all is fine, but only two.

Portuguese (pt) and Japanese (ja) versions of this one http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/1993_Men%27s_World_Ice_Hockey_Championships

República Checa http://translate.google.cz/#en%7Cpt%7CCzech%20republic

チェコ共和国 http://translate.google.cz/#en%7Cja%7CCzech%20republic

--89.176.237.22 (talk) 11:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The team representing the Czech Republic and Slovakia

The Czech Republic and Slovakia were represented by one united team as well as they were playing as one team in the qaulification for FIFA 1994 World Cup. I remember this clearly because I was watching all the games of that team at the championship in Germany. Many sources on the Internet are wrong when they say it was the Czech Republic who the team represented. I only found one German source which supports the opposite: http://www.suite101.de/content/deutschland-als-gastgeber-der-eishockey-weltmeisterschaft-a74111

It is a shame that there is no video on YouTube from the tournament that would proove I am right.

The Czechoslovak First Ice Hockey League in the season 1992/1993 was also played for the very last time with teams from both countries. It was only in Italy 1994 championship when the Czech Republic was playing as independent country. Slovakia was playing in Pool C in that year and after winning it it was promoted to Pool B for the next season. Jasooon (talk) 00:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t remember it, but I still think you are wrong. Right now, I could find only passing mentions of “the Czech Republic” in newspaper articles online, e.g. Lakeland Ledger from 1993-04-19, saying “Derian Hatcher scored a power play goal with 6:47 left to give the United States a 1-1 tie against the Czech Republic in the first round of the World Hockey Championships on Sunday in Dortmund, Germany.”, or [1] [2]. --Mormegil (talk) 22:35, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a youtube link where the 1993 team is called Czechoslovakia by whomever is reading the highlights for eurosport:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT39lpl3sV8. And in this clip you can see the jerseys, I don't know enough Czech hockey to know what it indicates, but it sure looks like Czech Republic jerseys to me:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMy4hpFZjzQ. Slovakia's first official IIHF appearance was in August 29th, 1993 against Japan, the first game for qualification for the 1994 olympics.18abruce (talk) 05:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the roster, player by player, entirely Czech, not one player from Slovakia on the team. Used IIHF media guide and record book 2011, together with Eurosport.net. Seems obvious that the IIHF, all the encyclopedias and websites, have it right. I believe it involved original research to prove it, but since official records indicate 'Czech Republic' the issue should be to prove that the official sources are wrong. So it should be fixed.18abruce (talk) 05:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no Slovak players, the article, as presented, is factually incorrect. Don't want to belabor the point, but a joint venture is entirely without evidence.18abruce (talk) 16:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely, this image leaves no doubt, it is the coat of arms of the Czech Republic (cf. the 1992 coat of arms of Czechoslovakia and the 1992 jersey emblem for ČSFR). --Mormegil (talk) 21:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]