Talk:Škoda Superb
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Neutrality?
[edit]"The Superb stands out thanks to numerous creative and original solutions. Take the footboard, for example, or the front passenger seat whose back support can be folded in the middle, so that the rear seat passenger to make himself comfortable and stretch his legs, foldable elbow support between the rear seats, with storage space in it, beverage holder, and a case for a SkiSack or WetCase, special storage space in rear doors, where you can put your wet umbrella without any problem, because its design has a clever, built-in drain."
This reads like a Škoda brochure, not an encyclopedia article... --Bhtooefr 15:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
- Cleaned up Dan100 (Talk) 11:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
What generation?
[edit]Skoda produced a luxury car called Superb 1938-1949, so I think that trere should be a mention about the continuing tradition from the first half of the 20th century. http://mafia.czech-games.net/Skoda%20Superb%20(1938-49).jpg http://sk.wiki.x.io/wiki/%C5%A0koda_Superb_(veter%C3%A1n) Bedy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.71.164.223 (talk) 11:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
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image request
[edit]This article needs some images of the B6 'TwinDoor' tailgate/boot lid. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 07:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
spec request
[edit]The Engines table for the Third Generation lacks the 1.5 TSI petrol engine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.236.99.167 (talk) 07:31, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Design?
[edit]Who was lead designer in first and second Superb generations? Jirka.h23 (talk) 05:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
"The Škoda Superb is an executive car produced by the Czech car manufacturer Škoda Auto from 1934 to 1949 and from 2001 to present"
[edit]What utter nonsense. The 1934-49 Superb is clearly an entirely different vehicle from the 2001-onwards model, and the only thing they have in common is the name. They should clearly each have an article, rather than this ridiculous and confusing combined effort. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:36, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds perfectly reasonable suggestion. I would suggest the modern version remains here, and the 1930s/1940s version is split off into its own article. Any suggestions for that article's name? Warren (talk) 16:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- 'Škoda Superb (1934-49)'? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- There's probably just about enough info to justify a 3-way split if anyone has the time to do the deed in the first place. That's how the Germans have it now, and maybe one or two others are headed in that direction. The titles used there are Škoda Superb (1934), Škoda Superb I and Škoda Superb II, though of course there's no particular reason to use those titles if there's a good reason to use different ones. Regards Charles01 (talk) 17:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- "the only thing they have in common is the name" - no, it is not. They are both flagship models of the same company. Superb's production was terminated by the war and Russian-brought communist regime. In 1930s, Škoda struggled to establish itself as THE Czech(oslovak) car maker, being No. 3 after Praga and Tatra. In 1990s, the company struggled to shrug off its 1980s malaise. Superb was its show of confidence on both occassions.
- Anyway, three way split should do it (as long as the original Superb is mentioned in the later models' articles).
- I think that Škoda Superb should stay only as disambiguation page, with three separate articles for the three cars. Anyways, fourth one will have its article by the year-end at the latest... Cimmerian praetor (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- I think that the best way is how is it now. All possible separate articles can be linked in the relevant paragraphs, as in the Volkswagen Passat article. Jirka.h23 (talk) 10:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think that Škoda Superb should stay only as disambiguation page, with three separate articles for the three cars. Anyways, fourth one will have its article by the year-end at the latest... Cimmerian praetor (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Large family car (D-segment) or Executive car (E-segment)?
[edit]Hello PrinceGloria, in your edit you have recently changed Škoda Superb III classification from Executive car (E) to Large family car (D). What are the reasons that you have for it? Superb is larger than Passat, price is not appropriate reason to classification and in this German test, was Superb compared (and even at some points overlaped) Mercedes-Benz E-Class - which is clearly an executive car. I would say that your edit should be reverted. Jirka.h23 (talk) 11:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- Magazines are free to compare any cars, and are known to be incentivized by manufacturers to often do so to put a car in a favourable light ;) At any rate, the Superb is the size of a Ford Mondeo or Renault Talisman, and those are D-segment cars. Superb is also priced accordingly, same as the previous generation. There is nothing to suggest it is any different than the previous model. PrinceGloria (talk) 17:10, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- However it is comparable to Mercedes-Benz E-Class, with the size, equipement and engines that overcomes the Passat, Mondeo or Talisman. What are the exact differences between classes? (viz. When is Superb gonna be in the higher class in your opinion?) According to this source, there have been this European classification. However, classification in the various countries are different. We had a chat in the Czech wiki a few years ago over the second generation (that seemed on the edge). For example, in Germany the upper middle class should not have a length of less than 4.8 meters. Furthermore, powerful engines - with turbo engines up to 206 kW 4x4 has no problem, and the luggage compartment is also high above 485 liters (625 in liftback and 660 l combi). Jirka.h23 (talk) 11:35, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
- We're discussing original research here, bet even so, instead of endlessly edit-warring, this table below might help. In terms of wheelbase it is far from contemporary executive cars. In terms of length the third generation is equivalent to contemporary large family cars, especially German ones. Regards, BaboneCar (talk) 19:54, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Model Length (mm) Wheelbase (mm) Škoda Superb (2008) 4,838 2,761 Škoda Superb (2015) 4,861 2,841 Executive cars Audi A6 (2010) 4,933 2,912 Audi A6 (2018) 4,939 2,924 BMW 5 Series (2010) 4,910 2,970 BMW 5 Series (2016) 4,936 2,975 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (2009) 4,868 2,874 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (2016) 4,923 2,939 Volvo S80 (2006) 4,854 2,835 Volvo S90 (2016) 4,963 2,941 Compact executive cars Alfa Romeo 159 (2004) 4,660 2,700 Alfa Romeo Giulia (2016) 4,639 2,820 Audi A4 (2008) 4,703 2,808 Audi A4 (2015) 4,726 2,820 BMW 3 Series (2004) 4,520 2,760 BMW 3 Series (2011) 4,620 2,810 Mercedes-Benz C-Class (2007) 4,582 2,760 Mercedes-Benz C-Class (2014) 4,686 2,840 Volvo S60 (2010) 4,628 2,776 Volvo S60 (2018) 4,761 2,872 Large family cars Volkswagen Passat (2005) 4,780 2,709 Volkswagen Passat (2015) 4,767 2,791 Ford Mondeo (2007) 4,844 2,850 Ford Mondeo (2014) 4,869 2,850 Opel Insignia (2008) 4,830 2,737 Opel Insignia (2017) 4,897 2,829 Citroën C5 (2008) 4,778 2,814 Peugeot 508 (2010) 4,792 2,817 Peugeot 508 (2018) 4,750 2,790 Renault Laguna (2007) 4,695 2,756 Renault Talisman (2015) 4,850 2,810 Toyota Avensis (2009) 4,695 2,700 Toyota Avensis (2015) 4,750 2,700 Honda Accord (2012) 4,862 2,776 Honda Accord (2017) 4,882 2,830 Mazda 6 (2012) 4,865 2,830 Mazda 6 (2015) 4,865 2,830
- Well done BaboneCar, this table below might help for future classifications. However, I see one error here, about half of those, you've described as "Large family cars" are in real "Compact executive cars". If you do not mind, then I would specify the table. Jirka.h23 (talk) 04:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- Table specified. Jirka.h23 (talk) 04:36, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- It seems that Superb exceeds them all (except for Volvo S60 wheelbase) by its length and wheelbase, therefore it should be included in the Compact executive cars category. Jirka.h23 (talk) 19:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- You're right, those are compact executive cars. But specifically because it exceeds them by a large margin it shouldn't be called a compact executive car. It is the same size with the Ford Mondeo, Opel Insignia and Renault Talisman, which are not compact executive cars. Škoda, as I know, is not a premium brand of cars. The Superb model might be, I don't know, you tell me how it compares to the Mondeo, Insignia or Talisman, and the others. Therefore, at least for the moment, I cannot agree with your proposed classification. Regards, BaboneCar (talk) 15:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well, in terms of wheelbase Insignia and Talisman are far from Superb. In case of Ford Mondeo, in my opinion it could also be included in the Compact executive cars category, but even in this test, for example, Superb beat Mondeo and Volvo S60. "Compact executive cars are supposed to feel quality built, comfortable and packed with tech - and the Skoda wins out over the Ford in all three of these criteria". In this test Superb won far ahead from Volvo S60 (which is Compact executive car) and beat even Ford Mondeo - appreciating Superb's huge interior space and good equipment, giving it 5 stars, while Mondeo received only 4 stars. "Sit in their rear seats, though, and one car stands out: the Superb. It has the most rear head room and more leg room than many large executive cars." For these reasons (tests and data from your table) I think it is clear, that the Superb should be clasified as a "Compact executive car" and I ask you to stop undo my text in the headline. Jirka.h23 (talk) 06:37, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- You're right, those are compact executive cars. But specifically because it exceeds them by a large margin it shouldn't be called a compact executive car. It is the same size with the Ford Mondeo, Opel Insignia and Renault Talisman, which are not compact executive cars. Škoda, as I know, is not a premium brand of cars. The Superb model might be, I don't know, you tell me how it compares to the Mondeo, Insignia or Talisman, and the others. Therefore, at least for the moment, I cannot agree with your proposed classification. Regards, BaboneCar (talk) 15:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- It seems that Superb exceeds them all (except for Volvo S60 wheelbase) by its length and wheelbase, therefore it should be included in the Compact executive cars category. Jirka.h23 (talk) 19:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)