Talk:Église Saint-Maurice, Soultz-Haut-Rhin

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St Maurice's Church, Soultz-Haut-Rhin - why is the name French in French and German, but English here? I suggest at least to be consistent in article name and bolded name, but better to use the same name in all languages: St-Maurice, Soultz-Haut-Rhin, as we do for Notre-Dame de Paris. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We had this discussion before, here: Talk:St Thomas' Church, Strasbourg#Reason for move. --Edelseider (talk) 21:04, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the move of Notre-Dame was later, so I think things may have changed. Who decides on an English translation? Why "St Maurice's Church" (UK English, with no dot and a possessive "s") and not "St. Maurice" (rest of the world, and simpler)? And that question avoided with using the original name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea who decides, Gerda Arendt, and I think that it is a good thing. Have a look here, anything goes: Church of Saint Maurice. Tschüss, --Edelseider (talk) 06:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The community decides, there are no fixed rules, and I only asked why British English (vs. at least more international English) for a French church. No answer yet. I generally opt for the original name, for cultural flavour and authenticity, but am able to listen to good arguments why not to do so in a given case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The move discussion for Notre-Dame was in 2017. (Archive 1 on its talk) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My argument for British English is that it is generally favoured on Wikipedia, a thing that both of us (wir sind beide weder Briten noch Amerikaner) generally go along with, for comfort's sake. And I don't understand your comparison with Notre-Dame de Paris, which is not a "Saint Somebody" church, but a cathedral of "Our Lady". There must surely be more appropriate examples. Anyway, I am following the consensus reached on St Thomas' Church, Strasbourg, which was based on a church in Copenhagen, Denmark (language spoken: Danish). --Edelseider (talk) 08:55, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I know nothing about "generally favoured" of British English, and we can still write an article in British English without following their peculiar naming of churches as if the Saint possesses them. Why follow some Danish church if you can follow some German church. Other things do exist. - Saint or not, Notre-Dame is a prominent example of sticking with the original name, especially in cases where there isn't much English literature on a topic. We shouldn't invent a name, even if there are models for such inventions. Which source calls this church St Maurice's? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this just says St. Maurice, - feel free to use~~, there isn't a ref for the organ yet~~. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Gerda Arendt there is a ref for the organ, [1], do you perhaps mean "there isn't a second ref for the organ"? There is plenty of them refs here: Category:Pipe organ of Église Saint-Maurice, Soultz, as a matter of fact. --Edelseider (talk) 10:18, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I looked last night and probably was tired and overlooked something. The ref says "St Maurice". Commons is nice but no refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Commons is nice indeed, that's where I spend most of my Wikitime! The category links to 4 different pages, all referencing the fact that the organ is a Monument historique (we don't even need to argue about this point, it is a well documented instrument). --Edelseider (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Different topic, pre-review: can you please write a lead where you see Silbermann even if you have only seconds? One of the best-known organ builders ever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually three Silbermänner: Gottfried, Andreas and Johann-Andreas. :) Will do, but later. --Edelseider (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) Also pre-review: please through out direct links to commons. - Fine, and first find a single ref referring to the invented English name, or move, - I couldn't find any. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]