Draft talk:Francis Hetling

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Kseni-kam (talk) 03:24, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are the "quotations" actual quotations?

Kseni-kam, this article has many quotations (or anyway chunks that appear to be quotations). Most of these quotations, perhaps all, are in English. The article started as, and has remained close to, a translation from ru:Фрэнсис Хетлинг. But ru:Фрэнсис Хетлинг is entirely in Russian, as far as I can see. Thus my question: are the English quotations in the English article what the writers actually wrote, or are they instead reverse translations back into English of the Russian translations that appear in the Russian-language article? -- Hoary (talk) 11:44, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not actual quotations. This article now says "The author of an article in the 16-volume The Encyclopedia of Collectibles, Harvey Zucker, stated that "the mother's friend recognized the so-called street child as an 11-year-old [girl] teenager from the suburbs". From the first time I read that, it looked very fishy to me, because of "11-year-old teenager". (Which was she: an 11-year-old, or a teenager?) So I clicked on the link, and there read: "However, the so-called waif was recognized by a friend of her mother's as a living 11-year-old from the suburbs". As twice-translated text -- from the English to the Russian, and from the Russian back to English -- it's commendably accurate. But it mustn't go in quotation marks. Now, all the ostensible quotations in this article are suspect.

Kseni-kam, for every ostensible quotation (twice-translated quotation), you must do either of two things:

Check the original. Reword according to the original.
Paraphrase, and remove the quotation marks.

Meanwhile, I'm going to "draftify" this article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:27, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]