Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Passenger trains task force

Notability?

Hey guys, I was just checking out the Illini train route in Illinois, and I have to ask: is this really notable? I mean, who outside of Illinois cares about a pair of trains that shuttle college kids back and forth from Carbondale to Chicago? I understand articles on Amtrak and major train stations, but are articles about individual trains and small routes necessary? Are we going to have a Wikiproject about every individual bus in the United States? Tractorkingsfan 13:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer, yes it is notable because it was given an official name by the railroad. Slambo (Speak) 14:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I am no one to question the work you all have done, just wondering. Carry on. Tractorkingsfan 15:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This question is also being asked regarding Illinois Zephyr and the new Carl Sandburg - likely due to your Illini query. I understand the comment, but it also insulting (just for college kids from Chicago?) -- having lived in downstate (west-central) Illinois for 20 years -- with its unique transportation issues. I could argue the politics of the 1971 Illinois Service establishment is unique in US politics (references are available). Additionally, why are California and Norteast Corridor exempt from this same judgement? Beatgr 20:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New articles

Since there are still so many articles left to write on passenger trains (like the red links in Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway#Passenger train service, for example), would it be helpful to start a section on the task force page to list new passenger train articles? I started one this week on the Twin Cities Zephyr and I've got more information to add to it, but I thought we might want to have a local announcement location so other task forcers can help with any additional resources they may have. Slambo (Speak) 19:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for general LIRR rolling stock information

I am going to be expanding Long Island Rail Road in the next week, since I just received Steel Rails to the Sunrise through interlibrary loan. I'm generally not a fan of rolling stock, so it would be great if someone else could write a summary of the LIRR's rolling stock, including its history, with citations (or see if I can find citations from the book) to help bring the article to featured status. Thank you. --NE2 18:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

tool for education or American propaganda

Is Wikipedia a resource for education and carrying FACTS or a tool for American propaganda? I have edited out redicules claims by Americans in the Land speed record for railed vehicles and Empire State Express only to have arrogant Americans delete them and accuse me of pov can we have a neutral observer look at these sections Oxyman 02:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC) neutral observer made a decicion only to be ignoredOxyman 09:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joining

Since the list seems to be short, how could one go about joining the task force? I am interested and would love to contribute. Jimzim66 22:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you do what I did - edit the list of names with your tag, then start pilfering templates. :-) Seriously, I don't know the answer either. --plaws 23:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WTT

Is the inclusion of wtts for specific passenger trains prohibatd? --Prof Jolly 18:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Standard Format

I've been poking at the Lone Star (Amtrak) for a while now and finally came here to see if there is some standard way of editing articles regarding named trains. Specifically, I'm trying to come up with an elegant way to handle the fact that the Texas Chief lasted into Amtrak days right up until the AT&SF pulled the plug on their Chief trademark ... and then continued as the Lone Star.

I'm starting to relieve the article of the non-Amtrak stuff and I've included the Amtrak Texas Chief info, so now I need to start a stub for the "other" Texas Chief. What is the best title for that? Texas Chief? Texas Chief (AT&SF)? Texas Chief (Santa Fe)?

What is the convention? --plaws 23:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Answering my own post ... I've added redirects to the other train names but I'd still like to know how to handle this. --plaws (talk) 19:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Over on the List of North American named passenger trains (C), there are three trains listed as Cannon Ball (passenger train). I was going to recommend redirecting this to Montauk Branch but that would make the Boston & Maine and Norfolk & Western railroads part of the redirect, when that only belongs on the Long Island Rail Road. ----DanTD (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need help with Comet (passenger car)

On the off chance that this Project and task force are not actually dead ...

Anyone know anything about the Comet series of passenger cars? The article is quite a jumble. I peck at it occasionally and have made a little progress, but I don't know a whole lot about the cars themselves? (besides, you know, what I've read on Wikipedia) I think some of the history is either missing or just plain wrong, but don't know enough about the cars themselves. --plaws (talk) 19:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm still here...

I've probably got a few items in my reference library, but as most of the books I've got cover Western US operations, I can't think of something definitive off the top of my head. I've got a couple years of Railpace magazine that might have some information, but I don't have an index to it yet (and my whole magazine collection could do with a bit of a reorg to make things easier to find). A quick scan in the MR index finds nothing for "Comet" and returns only one relevant hit for "Horizon": "MR Workshop: Amtrak passenger cars - Amfleet/Horizon" in the February 2000 Model Railroader. Slambo (Speak) 20:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there are two articles on models of the Horizon cars. The second is "AEM7 locomotive and Horizon passenger cars: O scale" in the February 2000 Railroad Model Craftsman. I haven't seen any listings for further information on the prototype yet. Slambo (Speak) 20:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added Texas Special

I've added an article about the Texas Special. It lacks pictures because the only pictures I can find are models for sale on ebay. I hope to be getting some images and additional information and hopefully some images from The Katy Railroad Historical Society soon. In the meantime, I'd be grateful for any additions and corrections. Lownen (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added Meteor (St. Louis-San Francisco Railway)

I'd be grateful for additions, corrections, and/or feedback.

Lownen (talk) 05:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Queensland Australia Long Distance trains

On the Traveltrain article It has small genral information about each train Eg. Sunlander westland Etc. Etc. I Mattythebatty has started on The Train Spirit of the outback. so could some people help on this work in progress mattythebatty (talk) 06:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Texas Zephyr

I've just created an article on the TZ. Not very extensive, but has a number of substantial external links for any reader who wants to find out more or add to the wiki article. Textorus (talk) 22:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with the Template:TrainsWikiProject task force switch

I have just notified the talk page at Template talk:TrainsWikiProject about a problem with the switch which places articles into task-force categories, specifically I found a problem when following the instruction on the present task force page. I suspect this may mean that a number of articles which presently has Passenger=yes instead of passenger=yes (lower case 'p') will be conjoined properly to this task force once the fix which I have requested gets implemented. __meco (talk) 11:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

lower case p should be used, else the article will not wind up in Category:Passenger trains task force articles and the task force will not be viewable via the {{WikiProject Trains}} template (note that the name of the template has been changed (although redirects do not necessitate any switch). A similar problem plagued the |streetcars=yes parameter too. Note that some parameters use upper or mixed case as proper nouns or abbreviations (e.g. |UK=yes). In the absence of a bot to assist in switch articles I've found that using Talk: prefix searches along with a case sensitive search in my web browser (to overcome the case insensitivity of wikipedia search) can help spot articles that need adjustment. Pedro Xing (talk) 04:05, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update: thanks to a recent template change both passenger=yes and Passenger=yes now allow for the article to be categorized into Category:Passenger trains task force articles. This change has boosted the article count from around 1,071 up to 1,661 - a bonus of 590 articles. Pedro Xing (talk) 04:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

US trains with different names in different directions?

When I realized that the Santa Fe's Chicagoan originated in OKC for part of its life, I got interested. Thing is, its counterpart was named the Kansas Cityan ... I figure I need to rename the article to include both names. What is the best way to do that? Redirects for each name afterward, of course, but what name? --plaws (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Big changes coming to SEPTA Regional Rail; help needed with many updates

On July 25, 2010, SEPTA is doing away with all the "R" numbers for the Regional Rail lines, and splitting them into two lines naming them after their destinations on each branch. For example, R6 (SEPTA) will become the Manayunk/Norristown Line and the Cynwyd Line. This means that each of the 7 Regional Rail line articles will need to be split, disambiguated, and the {{s-line}} templates will need to be updated. This will require a lot of work and I am willing to do it with some help. For more information, see this article. Please let me know if you have any questions or would like to help out. –Dream out loud (talk) 07:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific Surfliner is yellow?

Why is the Pacific Surfliner yellow in the rail color boxes? I thought it was blue (a lighter shade of blue than Amtrak blue). Train2104 (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Passenger and freight cars on the National Register of Historic Places

A search of "car" on the NHRP throws up some passenger, freight and maintenance-of-way cars:

WP name	NRHP name	NRHP ref	Location	State
Chapel Emmanuel Railroad Car	Chapel Emmanuel Railroad Car	76001740	Madison	SD
PRR ?	Combination Baggage and Mail Car No. 5403	79002261	Strasburg	PA
?	Cumberland Valley Car	79002265	Strasburg	PA
Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad 04414	Denver & Rio Grande Railroad Box Outfit Car No. 04414	09000568	Cimarron	CO
Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad 5620	Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad Stock Car No. 5620	09001276	Cimarron	CO
Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad 5679D	Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad Stock Car No. 5679D	09001277	Cimarron	CO
Abraham Lincoln (Pullman car)	Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad Business Car No. 101	88000740	Othello	WA
Dinwiddie County Pullman Car	Dinwiddie County Pullman Car	91000834	Midlothian	VA
DODX Guard Car G-56	DODX Guard Car #G-56	07000441	Pine Bluff	AR
PRR?	Flat Car No. 473567	79002267	Strasburg	PA
Frankfort and Cincinnati Model 55 Rail Car	Frankfort and Cincinnati Model 55 Rail Car	97001344	New Haven	KY
Denali Pullman Car	Harding Railroad Car – Denali Pullman Car	78003423	Fairbanks	AK
Louisville and Nashville Combine Car Number 665	Louisville and Nashville Combine Car Number 665	97001343	New Havan	KY
?	Marcia (pullman car)	75000526	Craig	CO
V&T?	McKeen Motor Car #70	05000968	Carson City	NV
Messenger of Peace Chapel Car	Messenger of Peace Chapel Car	08000998	Snoqualmie	WA
Mt Broderick Pullmand Car	MT. BRODERICK Pullman Lounge-Obs-Sleeping Car	97001345	New Haven	KY
?	Niles Car & Manufacturing Company Electric Railway Interurban Combine No. 21	87000762	Worthington	OH
PRR ?	Passenger and Baggage Car No. 4639	79002276	Strasburg	PA
Southern Pacific MW 7130 and MW 7131	Railroad Steam Wrecking Crane and Tool Car	07001301	Chandler	AZ
DRGW .....	Rio Grande Southern Railroad Derrick Car	10000237	Cimarron	CO
Roald Amundsen Pullman Car	Roald Amundsen Pullman Private Railroad Car	09000582	Scottsdale	AZ
Seaboard Air Line 6113	Seaboard Air Line Dining Car--#6113	01000334	Boca Raton	FL
Seaboard Air Line 6603	Seaboard Air Line Lounge Car--6603	01000335	Boca Raton	FL
Second Railroad Car No. 21	Second Railroad Car No. 21	78003214	Carson City	NV
Sheboygan Light, Power and Railway Company Car #26	Sheboygan Light, Power and Railway Company Car #26	06001069	East Troy	WI
Southern Pacific Railroad Passenger Coach Car-S.P. X7	Southern Pacific Railroad Passenger Coach Car--S.P. X7	00000101	Yuma	AZ
PRR?	Steel Hopper Car No. 33164	79002277	Strasburg	PA
Ferdinand Magellan Railcar	U.S. Car. No. 1	77000401	Fort Lauderdale	FL

Please feel free to edit this table to keep it up to date. — Iain Bell (talk) 11:51, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

City of Memphis (train) - Need help with updating

I've started updating this article which does not seem to have seen major work since mid-2008. If anyone has a copy of this book Streamlined Passenger Trains of the United States & Canada by Alan L. Pettet can they have a look at the article to make sure that the original author has not simply copied straight from it (Publication details such as the publisher, year of publication and ISBN are also needed).

Also useful would be help running down contemporary newspaper accounts of the train. Graham1973 (talk) 12:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Graham1973: four years later, I can answer the Pettet question. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Source problem with Alan L. Pettet. Best, Mackensen (talk) 15:33, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"City of ...." article linkages

I recently got into a bit of a tussle over whether City of Los Angeles should redirect to City of Los Angeles (train) or to Los Angeles itself. Having straightened that out we now have a superfluous City of Los Angeles (disambiguation) page and a hatnote about "City of" pointing directly to the train. I'm thinking that we should do the same thing for the remainder of these given the rather roundabout linkage from "City of X" to "City of X (train)". Mangoe (talk) 19:15, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification of purpose

Hi all,

Just checking - this is talking about train services carrying passengers, not the vehicles used to form those services?

Anothersignalman (talk) 14:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RM Notification

Please see the Requested move at Talk:La Gazelle (train)#Requested move 27 May 2017. Regards, Yashovardhan (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Could someone check out Talk:Janney_coupler#Can_someone_add_a_section_explaining_how_it_works.3F and see if they can provide some info? Noleander (talk) 14:42, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please come and help...

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:2017 Washington train derailment#Requested move 21 December 2017, regarding a page related to this WikiProject. Your opinion and rationale are needed so a decision can be made. Thank you and Happy New Year to All! Paine Ellsworth ^put'r there 12:39, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Caledonian Sleeper

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Assistance is requested at Talk:Caledonian Sleeper#Hotel on Wheels. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ATSF Super Chief not a Streamliner?

Bit of a newbie/novice here, but I noticed that the ATSF Chiefs aren't on the list of Streamliner trains. Seems odd as pictures of their engines are on the Streamliner definition page. Eartman (talk) 04:37, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Time table citation style

Are there any preferences or conventions for citation of old printed railroad passenger train time tables, say, for documenting dates and type of service to locations? IveGoneAway (talk) 12:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup request on Northern Trains

I have left a message regarding a cleanup tag at Talk:Northern Trains#Cleanup tag for any interested editors. Long story short, the service tables on that page are a big mess and many routes violate WP:NOTTIMETABLE. Jalen Folf (talk) 20:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Higher-speed rail good article reassessment

Higher-speed rail has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Steelkamp (talk) 07:22, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request for page creation on the S-Line, an abandoned railroad in the eastern United States

Hello. I come to request, or at least assist in creating a page for the S-Line, an old railroad once operated by the Seaboard Coast Line Railroad, and today partially maintained, partly abandoned, and wholly owned by CSX. The reason for this is that part of the line, specifically from Raleigh, North Carolina to Petersburg, Virginia (near the state capital of Richmond) is being restored by the US Federal Government to allow commuter rail service between Raleigh and Wake Field, as well as facilitating intercity rail service from North Carolina towards the Northeast Corridor.

Here's a couple of articles on it: https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/news/2024/07/01/officials-break-ground-on-new-raleigh-to-richmond-rail-line

https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/richmond-virginia-raleigh-north-carolina-intercity-passenger-rail-line-construction/720662/ GabMen20 (talk) 21:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S-Line (CSX) currently redirects to Southeast High Speed Rail Corridor#Richmond–Raleigh, which seems to be pretty up to date. I'm not opposed to it becoming its own article if there's more to add (i.e. previous history of the line). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]