Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Free music taskforce

This page was nominated for deletion on March 30, 2011. The result of the discussion was to turn into a task force.

Q & A

Do we want to catalog composers and performers like this: Franz Schubert? The problem is that automotic alphabetization will then be by first name. Maybe it would be best to say: Schubert, Franz? I'll plan on making this change, if no one objects.Ferrylodge (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No objection. Raul654 (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Several of the composers don't have Wikipedia articles. One of them (Jules Demersseman) has an article in the German Wikipedia, but I didn't link to it.Ferrylodge (talk) 00:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jean Perrichon is another of the composers who has a German but not an English Wikipedia article. See http://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Julien_Perrichon Ferrylodge (talk) 01:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've requested them at Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/de Raul654 (talk) 01:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you find any missing composers before 1600, come bang on my door. I've tried to do them all but may have missed a few. Antandrus (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Antandrus. Raul, that's great, I didn't know you could order up translations as you did. Here's another one: Pierre Gaveaux has articles in both the German and French Wikipedias, and as you might expect the French article is longer. See http://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pierre_Gaveaux and also see http://fr.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pierre_Gaveaux Ferrylodge (talk) 01:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, Armin Schibler's in the French Wikipedia. http://fr.wiki.x.io/wiki/Armin_Schibler Ferrylodge (talk) 02:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll request translations for Gaveaux and Schibler.Ferrylodge (talk) 02:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just finished Julien Perrichon (Jean) -- I chose to write it from the New Grove rather than translate, since the New Grove article was more complete, and the German article had no references. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 04:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TODO

Better categorization of music on commons?

Upload all of Musopen? (How to organize) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravedave (talk • contribs) 18:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm in the process of uploading it. Raul654 (talk) 19:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New files

I finished uploading the rest of Musopen's files. You can find the list at Wikipedia:Wikiproject free music/Musopen Raul654 (talk) 01:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. I'll plan on adding this second batch to the sound list later this week. I'll put you down as the "original submitter." Was Magnus the "original submitter" for every one of the works in the first batch that I added?

For the first batch, is there some material that I can put in the "comments" section that will be the same for all the works (e.g. source or copyright status)? Ditto for the second batch?

By the way, Bryan says, "I might pick it up later, but currently I'm busy organizing the Commons:Picture of the Year/2007 competition so I don't currently have time."Ferrylodge (talk) 02:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Yes, Magnus was; (2) Not sure about Magnus' uploads; for the ones I just uploaded, they are all public domain from Musopen. (3) I'll find someone else who can run the SQL query then. Raul654 (talk) 02:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Raul, your most recent batch of uploaded music is now on the sound list, although I still have to list the respective composers.Ferrylodge (talk) 06:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Respective composers are now listed.Ferrylodge (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: For the Musopen music, Aaron has requested inline attribution in the description when its used on our pages. You can see an example at Symphony No. 6 (Beethoven) Raul654 (talk) 17:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can put that request in the comment field of the sound list.Ferrylodge (talk) 17:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution request is now in comment field.Ferrylodge (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Magnus' uploads were all from Pandora Music and were licensed under the EFF OAL (open Audio License). The performer of all the English Suites, Chopin Études, Bach's lute suites and most of the other historical music was Martha Goldstein. Drill down the directory structure here and you'll find authorship information for them. Also see my contribs at Commons - I uploaded some missing piano works, fixed some wrong file names and did other things like that. Commons:User:Thornard/gallery and Commons:User:Megodenas have free organ music. I've added as much as I could to En.wp except where composers didn't have articles. Graham87 11:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent)On the sound list, there is currently nothing in the "Comments" field for Magnus's uploads. Will the following comment be okay for all of Magnus's uploads?

“

Cc-by-sa-2.0. From Pandora Music, ibiblio.org, which says "available for free download subject to the EFF OAL."

”

I'll go ahead and insert it if no one objects.Ferrylodge (talk) 16:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A little more concise please - how about: EFF-OAL from Pandora Music Raul654 (talk) 17:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems important to get the Cc-by-sa-2.0 in there. How about: "Cc-by-sa-2.0. EFF OAL from Pandora Music."Ferrylodge (talk) 17:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's there?

I've expanded FIST to search for OGG files (turn the other file formats off). It might not find many new files, but at least it will show which articles in e.g. Category:Christmas carols do have ogg files and which do not. You can turn off all image sources to just get that list. --Magnus Manske (talk) 10:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Following up on the discussion here - I asked the developers to look into it, and the preferred way of requesting a complex SQL query is to go to JIRA, create an account, and file a new request for the toolserver. They then discuss it, and figure out the best way to implement it.

Also, about Ferrylodge's request for being able to multiplay the files on the sound list: (1) you can build a playlist from the files listed. Erik Moeller created Wikipedia:Sound/list/playlist to do that. (2) If you want native mediawiki support for it, you need to file a feature request on Wikipedia's bugzilla. Raul654 (talk) 03:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The SQL query has finished. The final results are here: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/misc/commonswiki-long-audio.txt Raul654 (talk) 15:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad there's not a completely automatic way to deal with those final results. Even if we sift through those results and pick out the items we need, this onerous task would have to be repeated eventually. Maybe I could go through these final results, and delete the items that are obviously (or probably or maybe) not music, and also delete the items that are already on the sound/list. Then I could add all the rest to the sound list. Is that the best way to proceed?

Also, the sound list is getting very long, and taking quite a while to load. What's the best solution to that problem? We could have a sound list for composers whose names start with "A", and another for composers whose names start with "B", et cetera through the alphabet, but it would be better if we could keep everything on one fast-loading page..Ferrylodge (talk) 19:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would not be difficult to throw together a python script that can turn those into list items that can be pasted into this list. I already have a few of those floating around. Don't do anything with that list yet - I need to think on this a bit more. Raul654 (talk) 19:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, it's very easy for me to take a list of ogg files and add them to the sound list. I've done that using a mail merge. The difficulty now would be winnowing down the list of ogg files that we want to add to the sound list, from the longer SQL query results. Anyway, I won't do anything yet.Ferrylodge (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why are we working against the mediawiki software instead of with it? I think there needs to be a seperate category on Commons for all audio. Then under the audio categories for Music, sounds etc. Once those are done then we could possibly convince a developer to create a different view for audio (and video?) categories. -Ravedave (talk) 20:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not showing up on watchlist?

Any reason this page isn't showing up on my watchlist? It was yesterday, and I see it was moved, but neither the old page nor the new one shows on the list. Is there some setting on the page somehow doing that (I imagine that only admins can set)? Great idea for a project and I'd love to 'officially' join, though I doubt I'd contribute anything beyond discussion, alas. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 12:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...and after typing all that, it DOES show up. I don't get it. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 12:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading more from Pandora records?

Could this project work on uploading more from Pandora Records? I know most of what was there as of August 2006 was uploaded then, but I've been slowly going through and fixing errors in the already uploaded files and adding things to media sections when appropriate. I only have 128K of upload bandwidth and Java and my screen reader JAWS don't play well at the best of times. Most of the piano work including that by Raymond Smullyan has been taken care of. I haven't touched anything in the /chamber_orchestra or /uw_archive directories yet - some of it isn't well-indexed. I'm a fan of this idea - I can't use printed scores and braille music is clunky, so audio is the only way I can find out what a piece of music is like. Graham87 14:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, and Image:Johann Sebastian Bach - klavierstucke, op. 118 - ii. intermezzo.ogg isn't by Bach - it's one of Brahms' Six Pieces for Piano, Op. 118. Graham87 14:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Give me a couple days to look into the Pandora Records site. I'll see what I can do. Raul654 (talk) 15:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Graham, do you know why Bach is in the file name?Ferrylodge (talk) 16:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could be the same the reason people used to tag Moonlight sonata with "Mozart" and a violin piece from the Sailor Moon anime as Vanessa-Mae... ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 16:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked the Musopen site and it is correctly filed in the Brahms list. When I converted them back in November, it's possible it was in the Bach category, or it's possible that I simply made a mistake when I transcoded them. It's been known to happen from time to time ;) Raul654 (talk) 17:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS - Don't worry about this one. When I get back from work, I'll delete it and reupload with correct username. Raul654 (talk) 17:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've made a note of it at the sound list, and we can replace that entry on the list after it's reuploaded.Ferrylodge (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the old recording and uploaded a new one with the correct name. Raul654 (talk) 03:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Musopen

I've been adding a few Musopen files to articles. A couple of points:

I can't find Image:Carl Tausig - concert etudes for piano, op. 1 - moderato.ogg or Image:Darius Milhaud - suite d'après corrette - ii. tambourin.ogg on Musopen - or perhaps they're not properly indexed. To find the performers, I had to download the files.
Is it possible to find out the soloists in concertos and other such works like Introduction and Rondo capriccioso (Saint-Saëns)? It seems odd to credit just the orchestra when the soloist is also essential to the piece. Graham87 07:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Image:Sergei Rachmaninoff - etudes tableaux, op. 39 - v. apassianato in e flat minor.ogg is the same as Image:Etudes-Tableaux, Op. 39, No. 5.ogg. The latter is higher quality and was uploaded a couple of months ago. Graham87 13:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of music in public domain...

Can we upload music sheets that are in public domain onto the commons (as pictures)? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As long as it's not-illuminated (post-PD date) or anything else that was added to it that might make it copyrighted again. The biggest problem is determining copyright on some music and seeing if it has been modified. gren グレン 01:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found sites with a number of public domain music sheets [1] [2] but I'm not too sure if it's completely in public domain. Can you help me check? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the IMSLP should be back sooner or later, and we probably won't have to worry too much. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 03:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Commons deletion discussion

There was a fairly long running deletion discussion about Rachmaninoff recordings that is probably worth noting the conclusions of User:Lupo with regard to post 1923 compositions. Megapixie (talk) 02:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another misnamed file and copyrights

Image:Frederic Chopin - cinq pieces en trio - ii. andantino.ogg is in fact not by Chopin - it's by Jacques Ibert. I'm unsure of its copyright status but I uploaded it anyway for transparency. I'm also unsure about the copyright status of the file by Darius Milhaud - perhaps both these files were removed from Musopen for a good reason. I'm not sure why the work by Carl Tausig would've been removed though. Graham87 03:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And Image:Frederic Chopin - suite d'apres corrette - ii. tambourin.ogg is also incorrectly named - however it has a duplicate at the correct title of Image:Darius Milhaud - suite d'après corrette - ii. tambourin.ogg. Graham87 03:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly possible that whatever the Tausig piece was, it was found it wasn't in PD because of when it was first published. Haydn's Cello Concerto #1 probably isn't PD either... ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 03:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, and this is certainly true of the Haydn cello concerto. - but Tausig's piece got an opus number, 1 as a matter of fact, so I would assume that it was published during his lifetime or not too long afterwords. This one is definitely in the public domain - I've just changed the name of Image:Frederic Chopin - etude no. 1 in a major, op. 25.ogg to Image:Frederic Chopin - etude no. 1 in a flat major, op. 25.ogg. Graham87 04:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And Image:Frederic_Chopin_-_mazurka_in_a_minor,_op._13.ogg isn't his Op. 13 at all - it's Op. 17, No. 4. This, like the etude error above, is duplicated on Musopen - I'll correct it here. Graham87 05:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent)It looks like this edit to the sound list (regarding Chopin) is messed up. For each entry on the sound list, there are three occurrences of an ogg, but this edit only seems to have changed two instead of all three. I'll leave it to someone else to correct, if they agree.Ferrylodge (talk) 16:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A sound extension

To me it sounds like we need an extension for MediaWiki that allows categories to be displayed in a format optimized for audio. Some sort of tag in the category would turn the format on. I was thinking something like Wikipedia:Sound/list for the format (depending on how much metadata can be retrieved). Large categories (such as classical music (audio)) would be automatically broken into alphabetical sections (ex: Category:Cities_in_Minnesota) I think this is something I might be able to develop. Does anyone else agree that this would be a good solution? -Ravedave (talk) 04:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it would make things easier, not just here but in Wikisource for its spoken articles. Graham87 05:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, Bryan offers this suggestion at the Vilage Pump: "What I think would be the most useful option is to have a database of OGG metadata. OGG metadata is currently already available in the databases, but unseekable. This data should be extracted and put in some table and have a web interface built around it. Unfortunately I don't have time for it. But maybe later."Ferrylodge (talk) 16:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Simply being able to distinguish video from audio would be an start - and it should be relatively easy to do from metadata. Raul654 (talk) 17:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Handel files problem

This refers to Image:George Frideric Handel - suite i, no. 2 in f major, hwv 427 - i. adagio.ogg, Image:George Frideric Handel - suite i, no. 2 in f major, hwv 427 - ii. allegro.ogg, Image:George Frideric Handel - suite i, no. 2 in f major, hwv 427 - iii. adagio.ogg, and Image:George Frideric Handel - suite i, no. 2 in f major, hwv 427 - iv. allegro.ogg. The first file has all four movements, the second file has movements 2-4, the third file has movements 3-4 and the last file has only movement 4. Each of the movements is about two minutes. Can someone who is better with audio editing than I am fix this? I've had enough of putting these files on articles for now - I'm up to George Frideric Handel if anyone wants to take over. Graham87 07:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can easily slice the file into movements, but I need to know the exact moment (minute/second) to cut each off. Also, I'm very busy right now so that might have to wait until next week. Raul654 (talk) 17:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just did it myself. I removed everything after the first big silence in each file, thus leaving the files with the correct movements. It was easier than I thought it would be. Graham87 03:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page banner

Do we want a talk page banner? We could tag it to various articles with the music to let more people know about the project. Ex: Template:WikiProject_Minnesota -Ravedave (talk) 15:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NO! I have, time and again, criticized wikiprojects for tagging articles that they have done little or nothing to improve. Raul654 (talk) 15:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the traffic generated by Signpost is enough to get everyone's attention. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 16:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought the point of tagging was, as the term goes, "scope". You put for instance the VGProject tag on all video game related articles so that if there's an issue, people know where to go to ask for help. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a great idea in theory, but from in practice most wikiprojects do very little to improve the encyclopedia. That's the reason I started this wikiproject - because there was no interest on the part of other music-oriented wikiprojects in doing this kind of work. Those talk-page banners simply serve as spamvertising, usually with (at best) a teneous connection to the wikiproject that has done nothing to improve them. If they tagged fewer articles and actually maintained/improved the ones they tagged, the practice wouldn't be so very objectionable, but as it exists now I want absolutely no part of it. Raul654 (talk) 17:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More errors

I'll just use this section to note any renamings I've done. Image:Johann Sebastian Bach - aria variata, bvw. 989 - variation no. 1.ogg, Image:Johann Sebastian Bach - aria variata, bvw. 989 - variation no. 2.ogg and Image:Johann Sebastian Bach - aria variata, bvw. 989 - variation no. 3.ogg have been renamed to Image:Johann Sebastian Bach - aria variata, bwv. 989 - part 1 - theme and variations 1-5.ogg, Image:Johann Sebastian Bach - aria variata, bwv. 989 - part 2 - variations 6-9.ogg and Image:Johann Sebastian Bach - aria variata, bwv. 989 - part 3 - variation 10.ogg respectively. Graham87 04:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another one - the Beethoven wind sextet is not Op. 7, No. 1, it is Op. 71. So for example Image:Ludwig van Beethoven - wind sextet in e flat, op. 7 no. 1 - i. adagio - allegro.ogg should be Image:Ludwig van Beethoven - wind sextet in e flat, op. 71 - i. adagio - allegro.ogg. This error is duplicated at Musopen. I have also uploaded Image:Johannes Brahms - concerto in a minor, op. 102 'double concerto' - i. allegro.ogg at a slightly lower bit-rate than the other movements so it could fit on the Commons. Graham87 11:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Pictures at an Exhibition movements are in the wrong order at Musopen - they are in alphabetical rather than chronological order. The name of the sonata by Muzio Clementi is written as "No. 3, Op. 50" - it probably should be written in the opposite order. That's not worth reuploading though. I'm up to Robert Schumann now ... will finish adding the rest to articles tomorrow. Graham87 14:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed Image:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - flute concerto in g major, k. 313 - i. allegro maetoso.ogg to Image:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - flute concerto in g major, k. 313 - i. allegro maestoso.ogg - the word is "maestoso", not "maetoso". Graham87 08:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so I found a pair of files labeled wrong -- Chromatic_Fantasia_(Bach_BWV_930) and Chromatic_Fuge_(Bach_BWV_930) are in fact the fugue and fantasia respectively (i.e. their names are switch). It's ALSO BWV 903, not 930. (Incidently, it's also on the organ, which isn't normal either, but that's somewhat irrelevent I guess). So how does one fix such things? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 22:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can just go to the Sound/list, and click the edit button at the top. Then use your "find" function (i.e. Ctrl f), to get where you need to go. Please say so if there's any problem. Cheers.Ferrylodge (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No no, it's the files themselves that are labeled wrong -- that is when you DL the fantasia you get the fugue, and such. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 03:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. I also don't know how to help. I bet Graham or Raul could help you, though. :)Ferrylodge (talk) 03:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Upload them under the correct names and add {{bad name}} on commons to the incorrectly named ones. That's the only way to rename images unfortunately. I believe there is also a duplicate template as well, but use the check usage tool to find any Wikimedia projects using the wrong name and fix them before tagging the files. Graham87 03:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have done this. Incidentally, the Germans knew about the switched file names. Graham87 11:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tools, tools, tools :)

I'm currently busy creating a database of all media files on Commons, containing things as length, bitrate, etc. Will later also create a web interface for searching in this database. If you have any suggestions, say so. -- Bryan (talk|commons) 22:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Make sure to differentiate between video and audio, and make sure the search allows someone to include both, or filter one or the other. Raul654 (talk) 01:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of purely audio files that only include someone speaking, without any music. Is there any way to filter those out too?Ferrylodge (talk) 01:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the category system, yes. If it's uncategorized, then it becomes a lot harder. Raul654 (talk) 02:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so if we could filter out the oggs that aren't categorized as music, with the click of a mouse, we'd be in much better shape. Incidentally, can music with video be converted into purely audio?Ferrylodge (talk) 02:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is relatively easy. It is a process called demuxing. There are probably tools for it. -- Bryan (talk|commons) 10:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Almost finito

Accept Image:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - cosa fan tutte act ii - no. 19 aria - una donna a quindici anni.ogg is the wrong name - the opera is actually named Così fan tutte. I have to be out of here soon so I can't deal with this now. I'm not too fussed if the diacritic is in the file name - it's probably better if it's not because of display issues with the "ì". Graham87 14:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this be on Commons?

It has little to do with Wikipedia EN per se and more to do with Commons, where free media is stored. --kingboyk (talk) 18:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, maybe not. The sound list is full of wikilinks to Wikipedia articles, so there's some method to the madness of having the sound list at Wikipedia rather than at Wikimedia.Ferrylodge (talk) 20:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's on en because the official purpose of the sound list is to make it easy to see which music files belong in which articles. Also, Commons has very little by way of community participation, whereas en has a healthy community. Raul654 (talk) 04:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finished with Musopen

I've dealt with all the Musopen files, adding them to the appropriate articles here. I've also categorised the files on Commons as far as possible, except for the duplicates discussed above. It would have probably been better to categorise all of the files in Commons:Category:Classical music initially instead of the songs category - most of the pieces are not songs as they don't have words. Graham87 07:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The work by Sylvius Leopold Weiss

Here's a good reason not to have an audio file in an article. I found a reliable source that confirms it's a forgery. The file name of the work, Image:Sylvius Leopold Weiss - ponce - preludio in e major.ogg is probably ok because it acknowledges that Manuel Maria Ponce composed it. However, a more pressing concern is that it is almost certainly not in the public domain ... and it is certainly not a baroque work. Graham87 11:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New public domain source

Just found a new site for us to slurp - http://www.openmusicarchive.org/ Raul654 (talk) 06:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My new uploads

I have uploaded everything in Randolph Hokanson's 90th birthday recital, after trying to find out who he was and finding this fascinating article about him. Perhaps he deserves a Wikipedia article. I split the Beethoven sonata into two movements. I have also uploaded all the Mozart pieces from this directory. After looking through Category:Klarinettenkonzert A-Dur on Commons, I discovered that there was a version of Mozart's Clarinet Concerto which hadn't been added to the article yet. Adding my upload, we now have three full free content versions of this concerto. My most recent uploads can be found here. Graham87 14:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Instruction

Can someone write a step-by-step guide to upload these public domain music? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 22:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Create an account at Wikimedia Commons - it's easier if it's the same as your username. When at the Commons, use Special:Upload because the upload wizard isn't suitable. In the summary field, there is an empty information template. Fill in as many of the fields as you can - the description and source fields are the most important. I usually add my license template in there as well - you'll want Template:PD-old for works where the public domain has expired. You'll also want to categorise the file somewhere- even if it's a very broad category. There's more information at first steps on the Commons. Graham87 00:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need OTRS approval? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 15:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OTRS is used in the case that there's a permissions email sitting on file there. I used it for the Musopen files out of an abundance of caution, but really there was no need for it. I have OTRS access, so it's easier for me than most people - I don't have to find someone to do it for me. Raul654 (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An index of sorts for Pandora Music

Here's an index of sorts for Pandora Music - you'll have to download the files from the alternate URL instead. Here's the latest news at time of writing and [even older news. Graham87 06:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC) URL fixed. Graham87 07:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OggSearch

http://tools.wikimedia.org/~bryan/ogg/search

Please let me know any problems or feature request on my talk page. -- Bryan (talk|commons) 10:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neat! Someone let the signpost know. Raul654 (talk) 15:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If someone wants to ask Bryan for more search results per page, I would agree. Currently there's 50 search results per page, max. How about 500?Ferrylodge (talk) 16:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. Also, the ability to output in wikitext would be useful. Raul654 (talk) 16:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I put "CC-BY-SA-3.0" into the "not in category" box. However, the first hit was in that category. Maybe it's not working?Ferrylodge (talk) 16:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do we enter multiple terms in the "In category" / "Not in category" fields? Specifically, I was trying to find oggs with "Beethoven" in the title which are not in any of the following categories: Ludwig van Beethoven, Piano sonatas by Ludwig van Beethoven, Violin sonatas by Ludwig van Beethoven Raul654 (talk) 18:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan replies (at his talk page): "You can't ask multiple categories yet. I will add support for more in-categories probably tomorrow. The not-in-category stuff needs more debugging and performance optimization first. But maybe I can make a in-subcategories something."Ferrylodge (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Implementing multiple category search appeared to be easier than in-subcategories search ;) Limits are 3 categories. Seperate them with a pipe | -- Bryan (talk|commons) 10:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope it's not too late to ask this, but would it be possible to get only oggs that have been uploaded after a particular date? That way, we can more easily find files that have not yet been found. Thanks.Ferrylodge (talk) 13:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I didn't notice this mentioned here. I asked below about this -- I would love to have this function too, though I guess for different reasons. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go mention it to Bryan at his talk page. How can he say no to a consensus? :-)Ferrylodge (talk) 17:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan has now added this function.Ferrylodge (talk) 15:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears the search function now allows for multiple categories. Raul654 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Raul, I noticed that you asked Bryan about excluding stuff that we've already listed. Another approach to that problem might be to inaugurate a new category at Wikimedia, called "Music already listed at Wikpedia sound list." Especially when you consider that we may have to start a "Sound List, Part II" pretty soon (because the present Sound List is so immense that it takes forever to load).Ferrylodge (talk) 05:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tonight was the first chance I've had to play with the ogg search tool. I've found a bunch of files to add here.

I agree that we should start looking ahead for how to deal with the sound list. It is getting pretty large. This is one of those 'good problems' you encounter in life. We need to find a natural way of fragmenting the list that won't create more work for us down the line - perhaps partioning it by author name. (A/L on one list, M-Z on another). Raul654 (talk) 05:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a simple way to alphabetize the current SoundList edit page by composer? Instead, perhaps the best solution might be to merely create a SoundList Part II, and only add new entries to the bottom of the SoundList Part II. And, do we need another column for indicating the genre (classical, jazz, rap, et cetera)? My inclination at this point would be to start up a SoundList Part II, put a note at the top and bottom of the original SoundList saying no more entries should be added there, and add a new column to both Part I and Part II for genre. Sound like a plan?Ferrylodge (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a simple way to alphabetize the current SoundList edit page by composer? - I could probably throw together a python script to alphabetize the list in about 20 minutes. I've been meaning to do just that because I don't like having the link to the info page all the way on the left. Raul654 (talk) 15:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can easily move the composer column over to the far left. Why alphabetize too? People can easily alphabetize by clicking the little box at the top of the column, so is there really a need to alphabetize the edit page as well?

There are several reasons why I ask this. First, it's unclear why we should start down the road of alphabetizing by composer rather than alphabetizing by some other characteristic (e.g. article, genre, et cetera). Additionally, maybe it would be better not to organize the edit page alphabetically at all. For adding new stuff, it seems much easier to just put it at the bottom of the list.Ferrylodge (talk) 16:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also: A category is a *HORRENDOUSLY* bad idea. It would mean having to close to a thousand files. That would be an extreme amount of work. Raul654 (talk) 05:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not all my ideas can be stellar. Never mind. :-)Ferrylodge (talk) 06:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry - I didn't mean to be so harsh. So anyway, I searched through about 800 music files here (alphabetically, they go from 0-9 then A-Z. I got up to files beginning with the number 7). So here's what I found:

Misc

For Months And Months And Months.ogg Marie Rappold performing O Patria Mia from Aida.ogg Little Maid of Arcadee.ogg Claudia Muzio - Lírico-spinto.ogg -01- Gilead-Lied103.ogg 01 Il lungo addio - Non sarà.ogg 01 Quiero Poder Foro Dulce Mar a.ogg Ciranda.ogg Despedida.ogg Despedida de Catalão.ogg 02 Hino de Catalão.ogg 02 Pensando Enti.ogg 04 - Saratoga - Heavy Metal.ogg 08 5Mala Alkasaat.ogg 09-Langt Bort (feat. Nils m Skills).ogg 100010509.ogg 1st SS Panzer Leibstandarte.ogg 26. Los Lunnis - Ya vienen los Reyes (Karaoke).ogg

Choir recordings

Massenet - Notre Père - par l'Atelier Vocal des Herbiers.ogg Leo Delibes - En avril - par l'Atelier Vocal des Herbiers.ogg Donizetti - Le beau vingt-et-unième (extrait de la Fille du régiment) - Atelier Vocal des Herbiers ( petit ensemble Amarante) - juin 2000 .ogg John Liptrot Hatton (1809-1886) - When evening's twilight - Atelier vocal des Herbiers (petit ensemble Amarante) -.ogg Henry Rowley Bishop (1786-1855) - Foresters, sound - Atelier Vocal des Herbiers (petit ensemble Amarante) - 1993 .ogg

Serbian electronica

(Ne)mrtav čovek (Elektrolasta).ogg B92 (Tobić Tobić Idol Mladih).ogg Guzata tinejdžerka (Elektrolasta).ogg Hvala, hvala, hvala (Radost!).ogg Krastave žabe (Piknik).ogg Lenjost (Krš).ogg Leptirica (Radost!).ogg Miš, puž i ker (Piknik).ogg Mornar Popeče (Činč).ogg Nova (Činč).ogg O, da (Piknik).ogg Palestina (Tobić Tobić Idol Mladih).ogg Pas e vrte (Tobić Tobić Idol Mladih).ogg Plastika (Horkestar).ogg Sirotinju (Krš).ogg Svi su mrtvi (Radost!).ogg Ulice (uživo) (Horkestar).ogg Viljuška puna ljubavi (Horkestar).ogg Zaljubljeni par (Krš).ogg Ćuorv potencijal (Elektrolasta).ogg Šta treba maloj deci (Činč).ogg

New Age instrumental

01-Ehma-Pizzicato (LAL).ogg 02-Les Bernardo-Joyeux Noël (LAL).ogg 03-Mérinos-Suite Andropause - Part 1 (LAL).ogg 04-Natural Sheen-What's your opinion (LAL).ogg 05-Neos-Unesco (LAL).ogg 06-Orco-Snow in my TV (LAL).ogg 07-Realaze-Must wake up (LAL).ogg 08-Silence-Electro 2 (LAL).ogg 09-Lacrymosa Industry-Vampyre's son (LAL).ogg

French.... something

01 - BohwaZ - Intro (LAL).ogg 02 - BohwaZ - Libre comme l'art (LAL).ogg 03 - BohwaZ - Interlude (LAL).ogg 04 - BohwaZ - Où sont les artistes (LAL).ogg 05 - BohwaZ - Outro (LAL).ogg

Instrumental

1 Emergence - Michael David Crawford - Geometric Visions 1994 - Ogg Frog q6.ogg 2 Recursion - Michael David Crawford - Geometric Visions 1994 - Ogg Frog q6.ogg 3 Sahara - Michael David Crawford - Geometric Visions 1994 - Ogg Frog q6.ogg 4 As Yet Untitled - Michael David Crawford - Geometric Visions 1994 - Ogg Frog q6.ogg

Note, I also found some self published stuff: 05 Bloodsucker (I Lost My Halo Yesterday).ogg 00 Jazz Violin Solo.ogg 12barBluesTutorial.ogg

SO this stuff needs to go into the sound list and get put into some articles (if relevant articles exist). Raul654 (talk) 06:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I'll note down things as I find them - I'm starting studies again so I'll have to work more slowly. Anyway I've done the work from Aida and all the choir songs. Does "petit ensemble Amarante" translate to something like "youth chamber choir"? Graham87 09:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My uploads

I've just uploaded all the flute music performed by Felix Skowronek, all the music by The Advent Chamber Orchestra (except that written by Dumitru Bughici as he certainly wasn't composing before 1923], the Diabelli Variations, Mozart's quintet for piano and winds, and other pieces. We now have a live recording of the famous 1st movement of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik and the Christmas Concerto. The only composer of works I uploaded for whom we do not have an article is François Schubert; there is A german article on him and a Japanese one however. I found the silence finder in Audacity useful for splitting some of the tracks. The only major untouched parts of Pandora Music are now the wind quintet and most of the voicesection. Graham87 11:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps slightly off topic, but is there a way of searching the .ogg uploads for most recent? And even more slightly off topic, is all of the MusOpen stuff here, and all of that Pandora place? I've become very interested in legal classical music lately and it'd be a help to know how much WP has and doesn't. Which brings me to one site I recently started using -- the Piano Society. They have an incompatible licence, but I wonder if going on the forum seeing who might be interested in releasing their performances to a compatible one might not be a bad idea.

(As for the other Schubert, that's the one who wrote that Bee piece, right? I'm surprised we don't have any article on him, if only because of his name). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 11:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: the Piano society - I think that's an awesome idea. Raul654 (talk) 06:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All of Musopen's files are on Wikipedia unless there have been new ones in the last couple months. Most of the Pandora music is here but there are some gaps as I have detailed above - and there are some files that are over 20MB, the maximum size here, which I didn't want to break up - check out special:linksearch/http://music.ibiblio.org/pub/multimedia/pandora for some of these where I've added links directly. Trying to convince people to switch music to a free license is always a good idea - we always need more free music. Francois Schubert did indeed write the bee song. Graham87 13:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Genres, etc.

As mentioned above, I went ahead and added a column to the Wikipedia:Sound/list titled "Genre." I slapped the label "classical" on everything, but if someone more knowledgeable than myself would please glance through the list and make a note of which works are perhaps not classical then I will delete the word "classical" for that entry (and I'll substitute another genre if known). You can access a list of genres by clicking on the column header. (UPDATE: I removed the "classical" designation of genre from a bunch of works, but didn't replace it with the correct genre.)

I also squeezed the columns so that they're a bit narrower. And, I added some info to the introductory paragraphs about how to copy and paste a column without copying and pasting the whole table. (Maybe it's not necessary to maintain the separate playlist file anymore, given that people can just copy the column that lists the oggs.) And, I added row numbers, using a separate table so that the numbering won't get thrown off if an entry is deleted (plus the row numbers won't get jumbled when any of the columns is sorted).

How about if we put a limit of 500 entries on the Sound/list, and start up a Sound/list 2?Ferrylodge (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Having a limit of 500 entries on the sound lists would be a good idea. Graham87 07:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Raul, what do you think? I don't want to add more stuff to this list, or start List 2, unless everyone agrees.Ferrylodge (talk) 19:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think splitting would be a very good idea. The list is HUGE at the moment. Especiall those with slower connections and older computers couldn't take it -- it hung my work computer for instance. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 19:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When I have some free time, I'm going to put together a script and do some big re-ordering on the list. Raul654 (talk) 23:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK.Ferrylodge (talk) 23:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's getting on up to a year now, Raul. :-)Ferrylodge (talk) 00:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hrmm.... Raul654 (talk) 00:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicates

This seems to be a duplicate of this.

Does Wikimedia have a way of spotting duplicate ogg files? Seems like they have no trouble spotting duplicate jpegs.Ferrylodge (talk) 02:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

File matching is extremely easy (You calculate a hash, store it into a list, and look for collisions). I would be surprised if nobody has done it yet for oggs. Raul654 (talk) 02:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Raul, it seems like Wikimedia ought to delete these dupes. Until they do, we won't know which entries to delete from our Sound/list. Should I report this at Wikimedia, or would you like to handle it?Ferrylodge (talk) 02:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(undent)I've asked at the Wikimedia Village Pump.[3]Ferrylodge (talk) 04:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've also asked at Wikimedia Deletion Requests.[4]Ferrylodge (talk) 19:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changed column header

I changed the column header that said "Wikipedia article" to "What links this file." That's what we're interested in, right? And this raises a concern. Can't we put some code into every box in that "What links this file" column, so that it fills itself in automatically? Why should we waste our time doing it? Each block in the column could automatically list what Wikipedia articles link to the ogg in question (perhaps with a "click for more" button if necessary). I don't mean to suggest that each block in that column should list the full names of every Wikipedia article that links to the ogg in question, but rather that a number be provided.

For example, the article on the surfer Pat O'Connell is linked by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. Is it possible to write code that would provide output like this in our "What links this file" column?

I suppose that this could make it take even longer for the page to load. If so, how about this: "What links this file" for a particular ogg is only updated when someone clicks on that block in the column, and the block includes the date when it was last updated, e.g. "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 as of 2008-02-18." Ferrylodge (talk) 06:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate audio/video files

The following is a list of exact duplicate audio and video files. Every file occurs at least twice, since both the matches A = B and B = A are included.

-- Bryan (talk|commons) 09:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm I should have pasted this list on a separate page. Feel free to do so. -- Bryan (talk|commons) 09:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the list, Bryan. I didn't notice it until just now, even though you posted it here a few days ago. So, what's the next step? Is someone going to delete the duplicates? I'd be glad to help if someone tells me what to do.Ferrylodge (talk) 15:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Find the best name for the sound file and use the Check Usage tool from the Commons toolbox to find if each file is used. Change each usage on each Wikipedia to the file name you want, then tag the name you don't want with Commons:Template:Badname and it will be deleted. Graham87 02:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. That should only take me ten years or so! :-)Ferrylodge (talk) 03:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that maybe I should instead use the tag Commons:Template:Duplicate, because the Badname tag seems to be only for use by the uploader.Ferrylodge (talk) 19:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I interpreted "Duplicate" as "let the admin make the decision about the name", while badname implies you've already made the decision and just need an admin to delete it. I could be wrong though ... I've used Badname many times on files I haven't uploaded and no-one has ever told me it's a problem. It probably doesn't matter in the long run. Graham87 04:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What makes one think or what criteria was used to determinte that these are exact duplicates? Hyacinth (talk) 06:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See Raul's comment above. Graham87 15:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is a hash? Hyacinth (talk) 23:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand this area too well myself, but as far as I know, a hash function is a function that does operations on a file (using the binary values of each piece of data or chacter) to arrive at a unique result. If two files have the same hash, they are duplicates. Graham87 01:50, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it that in some listings both files are (now) redlinks? Hyacinth (talk) 23:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They may have been deleted for copyright or other reasons; check their deletion logs on Commons. Graham87 01:50, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some of them have different names now and one was corrupt. I have noted those above. One I got un-deleted (it was deleted as a duplicate of itself), and one appears to need permission (Commons:Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests#File:4-Gorille.ogg). Hyacinth (talk) 02:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More uploads (26 February 2008)

It seems that there were more gaps in Wikipedia's coverage of Pandora Music than I thought. I've uploaded all of the flute section, except those songs definitely written after 1923 (I used Prokofiev.org for the Prokofiev one and the readme files for the rest). We now have all of the sonatas for single flute with basso continuo attributed to Johann Sebastian Bach and two versions of his Partita for Solo Flute. Also there is the prelude to Bach's Cello Suite No. 5 played on viola, Schubert's Arpeggione Sonata, the rare Andante and Variations by Schumann and many works composed for the Paris Conservatoire when they were apparently having a major shakeup in their flute department. I also moved the file in Guillaume Dufay to Wikimedia Commons in this edit. Now the only sections unaccounted for in Pandora Music are the Soni Ventorum Wind Quintet files and the voice section except the Montserrat_Alavedra section which is already here and the Marta Chaloupka section which is already linked from Antonín Dvořák. I won't be able to work on this for a month or so due to studies, but I can do small requests for renaming or uploading if necessary. The two missing sections are mostly well-indexed - but the Dawn of Peace section is laid out in an interesting way ... it seems like there are two related songs per track. Graham87 11:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I Also uploaded Image:Arthur Honegger - Danse de la Chèvre.ogg - the readme file on Pandora Records says it was composed in 1957 but Arthur Honegger died in 1955. Graham87 23:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Graham, did you hear the one about a woman who attended a Leonard Bernstein performance of work by a certain deceased composer? She came up to Bernstein afterward, and asked if the composer was still composing. To which Bernstein responded: "He is still decomposing." :-)Ferrylodge (talk) 00:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, no I hadn't heard that one. Graham87 01:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The file size limit for uploads

What is required to change the file size limit for uploads? It's currently set at 20MB which is fine for images but not a good limit for high-quality sounds or videos. [ For example, see this directory from Pandora Music. The files are already split by movements and the only way to reduce their size below 20MB is to reduce their quality, and I was under the impression that Wikimedia Commons strives for the highest quality of files possible. I would advocate raising the upload limit to at least 40 MB - perhaps more if Wikipedia wants more free video files. I know I've done a couple of quality reductions on audio files in the past, but I now think it should be done as only a last resort. Graham87 06:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's 20 megs because years ago I complained the 4 meg limit was too small :)

Long story short - the max file upload size is the minimum of several variables on the servers - I don't know all of them, but one is the php file size limit variable, and another is the mediawiki max file upload size variable. The developers (namely Brion Vibber) set these. I don't know if there's a process to it - you can email him directly, or post a request on wikitech. Raul654 (talk) 06:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I've found the most recent response on Wikitech about file upload limits. Graham87 07:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cryptomnesia?

A composer claims that a musical work is under a Creative Commons or GNU or Free Art license. What do we do to check that the work is actually original and not accidentally plagiarized in part from a non-free source, so that we don't get into the same predicament that Harrisongs Music got into? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 01:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We don't. Sure it's always possible, but it's a case of crossing the bridge when we come to it, not something needing to be worried about pre-eminently. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 02:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meet Me in the Land of Grapico

Could you please locate a free copy of the 1916 Peter DeRose song Meet Me in the Land of Grapico for an article I'm working on? Please notify me when its upoladed. Thanks. Bebestbe (talk) 04:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't much on the Internet about that song. There isn't a recording of it in the Cylinder Preservation and Digitization Project, and it's not in the Open Music Archive. the only way to get a free recording of that song is to go into a physical library and find the original recording, or buy the sheet music and make a freely licensed recording yourself. It's difficult to get freely licensed versions of any music, so Wikipedia uses what it can find. Free (as in beer) recordings are much easier to find than recordings that are free as in beer, meaning the copyright holder permits modification and commercial distribution. Graham87 06:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll try Wikipedia:Requested recordings. Bebestbe (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

International Music Score Library Project

It's back! So we can go there once again to find additions for Wikipedia. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 18:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still active?

Is this project still active? It seems to have disappeared just as Featured sounds began its rise to relevance =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 08:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This talk page isn't so active, but more files have been uploaded, added to articles, etc and there is still more work to do, from Pandora music - which I understand you've been working on - and other places. One area I've been thinking about is adding audio files in articles about musical forms. Someone started this on toccata and I added some examples to French overture, but more examples of musical forms are needed: I'm not sure what are the most relevant examples for articles like prelude. Graham87 09:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jamendo

Has there been any attempt to upload everything at Jamendo? http://www.jamendo.com/en/about It seems to be tons of free music. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 09:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not everything is licensed for commercial use there. And they have an interesting policy on licensing and commercial use, and making sure their artists are paid. I'm not sure how that would work on Wikipedia. Graham87 11:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use the advanced search to look for music that can be used commerically (e.g, it's not NC) and that can be modified (e.g, it's not ND). I used this one. Unfortunately, in the results there (using the "Classical" tag) I didn't see much that we could use. Raul654 (talk) 11:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something other than ogg

I know that the foundation decided not to use mp3 or other patent encumbered technology, but can we start a push to get non-lossy compression files allowed? The foundation used AIFF[5], we could allow use wav or FLAC, as they are all free and are not lossy or patent encumbered. I believe that MediaWiki is already capable of using FLAC, it just needs to be turned on. As an encyclopedia we should not be using a compressive technology when we do not need be. Z gin der 2008-11-23T19:08Z (UTC)

I think the best place to ask for this is on Bugzilla. I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed, but people would have to provide files to us in an uncompressed format first. Many of the files used in this project were originally either in MP3 or Ogg, and there's no point in uncompressing them. I am sure that we used wav files at some point as well, but can't remember when or why they were switched off. The recent uploading improvements would help with uploading large FLAC and wav files. Graham87 07:22, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Upload limit increased, and new uploads

The upload limit has been increased from 20 to 100 megabytes. I've uploaded some files that were previously too big for the Commons, and some other music. I've uploaded five concertos including two of the Brandenburg Concertos, and some goodies from the Goldstein string duo section of Pandora Music. Graham87 07:22, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Producing original music

I recently produced an original track which I felt could be useful to the Wikimedia projects and uploaded it to File:Wickethewok - Deepecho.ogg. I added it to a couple of articles here on EN-WP and also a few foreign language ones. On German WP, my addition of the track to an article was reverted and I was told that it was bad for non-notable musical artists to upload their own compositions for encyclopedic use. This didn't make sense to me, as it seems precisely analogous to amateur photographers uploading their work (I responded to the editor saying as much). I kind of wanted to make it a personal project of mine to create example full length audio samples of various electronic music genres. I assumed this would be welcomed, given the dearth of Free modern music out there - but figured I should get some other editors thoughts first. Any opinions? Wickethewok (talk) 06:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on this point. Pictures have just as much potential to be used for self-promotion as sounds do. If a picture or sound is encyclopedic and useful to the article, then there's no reason not to include it, whether the author uploaded it or not. Graham87 06:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I am the guy who reverted Wickethewok on German wikipedia. My reasons can be found there. I have no doubt whatsoever that Wickethewok made his contribution in good faith, but my fear is that we're opening a can of worms here. Greetings, Stefan64 (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me it's not much different than someone recording something on piano and uploading it. Yeah the composition isn't theirs, but performance is. There was a discussion on WT:NONFREE a little bit ago about if people should be forced to do that for PD music instead of using non-free sound samples. If you're going to disallow original works as well as non-original ones at the same time, then you're pretty much screwing the entire concept of the encyclopdia. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 13:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just because something is free doesn't mean it should be used in Wikipedia. The problem with self-composed songs starts when you say "this is a characteristic example for <musical genre>". Because this is not a fact, but your own artistic interpretation. If you would add a sentence like this in the text of an article, you would be asked for a citation. But in case of sounds it would be sufficient to say "I made it up myself"? So any trashy local band could "define" a genre with one of their songs? Don't think so. Greetings, Stefan64 (talk) 15:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible to say "genre Foo contains characteristics x, y, and z; here is a piece that uses these characteristics". Provided that it's a reasonable example, I don't see any problem with that kind of work. I can understand your opinion about a slippery slope - who defines what "competently" means in that situation? It's no different than saying "this type of modern art or comic or poster has these characteristics", and providing a pictorial example created by the user, so the dilemma isn't just restricted to sound files. Graham87 15:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Stefan - that is a good point as far as original research is concerned (I'm not so worried about the spam aspect). However, this means that articles such as trance music and other articles that won't have any full-length sound clips, as defining songs in that genre won't pass into the public domain for decades. And I don't think we should hold our breath on any genre-defining artists releasing their music under a Wikipedia-compatible license. This issue seems like it should have come up before - does anyone know of any relevant guidelines or previous discussions on this matter? Wickethewok (talk) 15:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about use of audio and templates

There is a discussion at this thread on ANI about the use of templates for audio files, as well as the suitability of long media sections in articles. Any comments would be appreciated. Graham87 06:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Music bot

I have submitted a request for a bot at Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Music_bot. Please feel free to chime in there.Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:35, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]