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Themes

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Themes are unifying or dominant ideas and motifs in a television show's elements (such as plot, dialogue, photography, and sound) conveying a position or message about life, society, and human nature. Most themes are implied rather than explicitly stated, regardless of whether their presence is the conscious intent of the producer, writer, or director. Inclusion of a treatment of a shows's themes—well-sourced and cited to avoid original research—is encouraged since an article's value to a reader and its real-world context will be enhanced. A separate section is not required if it is more appropriate to place the material in the Production or Reception sections. This information may be more applicable to the main article of a series than to an individual episode, though episode articles may contain such information if available.

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Themes and analysis

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Themes are unifying or dominant ideas and motifs in a television show's elements (such as plot, dialogue, photography, and sound) conveying a position or message about life, society, and human nature. Most themes are implied rather than explicitly stated, regardless of whether their presence is the conscious intent of the producer, writer, or director. Inclusion of a treatment of a shows's themes—well-sourced and cited to avoid original research—is encouraged since an article's value to a reader and its real-world context will be enhanced by this inclusion. A separate section is not required if it is more appropriate to place the material in the "Production" or "Reception" sections. This information may be more applicable to a series or a season article than to an individual episode article, although episode articles may contain such information if available.

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Discussion

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  • Two small things for me: rename the section to "Themes and analysis", and in the last sentence make this change may be more applicable to the main article of a series or a season article than to an individual episode. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No real issues for this small section for me, and not opposed to either of your proposed changes -- Whats new?(talk) 00:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I also have no issues here, and support Favre's proposed changes. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • This one will be short – the current version is generally fine, and the two suggested changes are clearly improvements. I imagine it won't be long before we can close this section up and move on to the next one... --IJBall (contribstalk) 23:18, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposals

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Proposal 1

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(section renamed to "Themes and analysis")

Themes are unifying or dominant ideas and motifs in a television show's elements (such as plot, dialogue, photography, and sound) conveying a position or message about life, society, and human nature. Most themes are implied rather than explicitly stated, regardless of whether their presence is the conscious intent of the producer, writer, or director. Inclusion of a treatment of a shows's themes—well-sourced and cited to avoid original research—is encouraged since an article's value to a reader and its real-world context will be enhanced by this inclusion. A separate section is not required if it is more appropriate to place the material in the "Production" or "Reception" sections. This information may be more applicable to a series or a season article than to an individual episode article, although episode articles may contain such information if available.

Proposal 1 discussion

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Themes are unifying or dominant ideas and motifs in a television show's elements (such as plot, dialogue, photography, and sound) conveying a position or message about life, society, and human nature. Most themes are implied rather than explicitly stated, regardless of whether their presence is the conscious intent of the producer, writer, or director. Inclusion of a treatment of a shows's themes—well-sourced and cited to avoid original research—is encouraged since an article's value to a reader and its real-world context will be enhanced by this inclusion. A separate section is not required if it is more appropriate to place the material in the "Production" or "Reception" sections. This information may be more applicable to the main article of a series or a season article than to an individual episode article, thoughalthough episode articles may contain such information if available.

Joeyconnick (talk) 04:17, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Favre1fan93: No issues here either. This was a simple section to deal with; the next section (Release) almost certainly won't be! -- Whats new?(talk) 06:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Great. I'll let this stay for another week (since I put another reminder out) and will close after then. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:33, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but just like with MOS:FILM, editors often copy the style of MOS:TV, sometimes strictly. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Flyer22 Reborn: Would "Themes or analysis" be better? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:17, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As an actual heading in the article? Or just on the guideline page? I take it you mean just on the guideline page. Either is fine. On a side note, no need to ping me; I'll go ahead and watchlist this page for now. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:21, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I meant for the section in MOS:TV. That is always what the heading "Themes and analysis" was going to be for, just the guideline page. Which to me, meant that a section in an article could be "Themes", "Analysis" or "Theme and analysis". - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Unanimous support for this one, looks like we're ready to close Favre1fan93? -- Whats new?(talk) 00:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.