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Stockport County F.C.

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I've listed this article for peer review because as I am looking to get the article to FA status.

To see all previous notes on this article you'll need to read the following:

The first FAC where I was told it needed to go through a peer review.
The article then went through Peer Review along with being copy edited by a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, on 12 May 2020.
The article was then put up for FAC once again.

I have been advised, as there has been a significant shortening of the article, to put this back up for a peer review before seeking a GAR before then looking into a FA nomination. I would like to get this article up to FA standards so any advice would be appreciated. As you can see from previous FAC and peer review a lot of work has gone into the Lead and Main History section to cut it down, happy to continue with it, if more work is required. Also I have been told that other sections need major work and prose needs going over. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, Wna247 (talk) 19:42, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by WA8MTWAYC

Hi Wna247, I saw this peer review unanswered so decided to do my bit (see here; if you don't agree, please revert). To be honest, the core of the article is there, but if you want to promote it to FA then a lot of work needs to be done. Some points I picked out:

The main problem is the sourcing. Be consistent, use the cite template, don't mix publisher/website, fill out all information.
- Pay attention to formatting and spacing: e.g. "Freeman &Harnwell, p.24" > Freeman & Harnwell, p. 24. Also, "Guardian" > The Guardian.
  - I didn't do the refs in this format initially but I did amend them so i can go through and check. Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Why is "Go Go Go County" a reliable source? There are further questionable sources such as Pastscape. If you possess books on Stockport County, use those.
  - Go Go Go County is the official website of the club historians it was discussed in the previous Peer Review Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, but I still have my doubts about "Stockport Vital Football", "footballshirtculture.com", "Football Web Pages", "Manager Stats" and the Google Docs file. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - No worries, will look through the article and change these refs Wna247 (talk) 17:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Some books need page numbers, such as the "Stockport County – From the Nursery" one.
  - I don't have a copy of this book so I cannot get its page number but will add if I even source a copy. Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- A ref which simply lists "Stockport County Official Match Programmes" won't be accepted at FAC. It needs to be very concrete (which date?). I don't think match programmes are very good sources anyway, it's better to use books or newspapers.
  - I have seen it on other articles I think these are ok as long as it is backed up by another ref or as you say is more concrete. eg. a date/match and season. I do agree though having a blanket "match programmes2 reference and be a bit vague. Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
When I read the history section, I felt a lot of information was missing. Several promotions and relegations are missing and it's sometimes unclear which division/tier Stockport were competing in. For example, in 2008 County were promoted to Lge 1, but in 2011 you read they dropped out of the FL. When were they relegated to Lge 2?
- All this information was in the article at one point but I was told to condense it down as seen in FAC number 2 Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I see, but take the last few years as an example. Maybe it's better to include their points deduction in 2008–09, and the following season when they only amassed 25 points, to give the reader an idea how bad things got. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The crest section needs expanding. The details about the club's current crest are great, but nothing is said about its crests before 1991. I'm sure Stockport did not use a badge for the first time in 1991.
Edgeley park can also benefit from some expanding. What happened between 1903 and 1995?
- Small mention of the main stand fire in 1935 in the main article, cant find a lot of information but will have a search for more. Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's a good idea to add that infamous stand fire in the stadium section as well. The Edgeley Park article lists some events which can be included such as the two international matches. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Top 10 managers in the club's history" Better to create a table with managers who have won honours with the club, or write a short part about them (e.g. Port Vale F.C.).
- - Will add prose based off what I have looked at in the article you have noted Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Some honours can be removed. The Cheshire Medal, Cheshire Bowl, Cheshire Friendly Trophy and the Cheshire Premier Cup don't seem notable to me.
- I think these may have been early version of the Cheshire Senior Cup or a reserve competition equivalent. Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Unless the first team claimed those honours, I suggest removing them. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Just looked at the club website and it does state those competitions as won, assuming as first team competitions as the club website does not include the Umbro cup (2007) and the Lancashire floodlit league trophy (2015-16) for example as honours as these definitely were reserve competitions. There couldbe debate on the Cheshire senior cup as well as The competition uses to be classed as a first team competition, then over the last 10 to 15 years has become as reserve competition for clubs in the football league while it is still a first team competition for non-league clubs. Wna247 (talk) 17:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - If Stockport field their first team in the competition (while winning it), it can be included in the honours section. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Club records and statistics" section: better to replace the bulletpoints with prose, see e.g. Luton Town F.C..
- - Will add prose based off what I have looked at in the article you have noted Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note, be careful with expressions such as "currently". Use "as of 2020" instead.
The article contains some nouns plus -ing. Better to avoid it.
Lastly, read football club FAs to get an idea how things should be presented, written, et cetera. This and especially this can also be helpful.

WA8MTWAYC Added some comments to your notes above. Wna247 (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]