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Juventus F.C.

I have been working on this article a lot lately in an effort to bring it up from B rating to Good Article status. Most of the work seems to be done now, but is there anything else that could be done to it? Regards. - The Daddy 02:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Review by SpecialWindler

It seems a very good article, and definetly has the attributes to be GA and beyond. Some suggestions

The first paragraph of the LEAD is only one sentence, this isn't a big issue though. Done
Alot of the "history" section is uncited, how do i know (not really knowing the game of soccer) that it's total jiberish. Done
The "Players currently on loan" looks a little messy Done

(Note from the Daddy) - every paragraph now has atleast one citation. - The Daddy 14:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What is "retired numbers", it dosen't elaborate on it
- Although it has a main article attached, you should elaborate why and how Gianluca Pessotto got it.

(Note from the Daddy) - that isn't standard for football articles, the main article on the subject of retired numbers explains the circumstances in which a number is retired. - The Daddy 14:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "Notable former players" section is messy as well Done
Again with sources how do I know the "Managerial history" section is total jibberish Done
The "Club statistics and records" section should be written in paragraphs rather than dot points Done
The "Colours, badge and nicknames" has a quote, it is a little unclear who said that quote (was it John Savage or his friend) Done
Can the lists in the "Juventus Football Club as a company" become tables Done
- Again, can it be sources.

Thats a quick review. SpecialWindler 09:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review I'll tick each one off with a "done" tag when they've been sorted. - The Daddy 08:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Review by The Rambling Man

Okay, good so far. My comments will reflect what I think is needed for an WP:FA so if WP:GA is all you have in mind then you may be able to overlook some of them.

Move all citations in accordance with WP:CITE, e.g. most of them need to be moved to behind punctuation marks with no spaces between the [ref] and the mark. Done
WP:DASH should be applied for the seasons, e.g. 1998–99 instead of 1998-99. Done
Unwikilink club, no need. Done
Reduce width of infobox by adding a <br> between Ranieri and his appointment date. Done
For section headings, avoid re-use of the word "Juventus" and don't over-capitilise (i.e. "Supporters and rivalries" rather than "Supporters and Rivalries") Done
Why two stadium capacities in infobox (presumably seated/standing?), this is confusing.
player at the club; John Savage, not a semi-colon here I think, more likely a comma.
Specifically for WP:FAC, you could create a History of Juventus F.C. and leave a brief six or so paragraphs in this article. Done
Move Pessotto picture up one paragraph to tie it to text. Done
Consistent date formats needed (you have "December 15, 2006", "Jan. 14, 2007", "May 19, 2007" in one paragraph) - standardise and wikilink significant dates. Done
Explanation of "Primavera/Berretti" would help the non-expert reader. Done
What makes the Notable Players notable? See Arsenal F.C. and subpages for how to handle this subjectivity. Done
Turn stats section into prose. Done
Move one of the images in the "Colours, badge and nicknames" section to the right hand side. Done
No citations on kit sponsors. Done

Hope that helps a bit. All the best, The Rambling Man 18:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by ChrisTheDude

My esteemed colleagues seem to have picked up most of the issues with this article, but I'd also draw your attention to some extremely poorly worded sentences e.g. in the "Colours, badge and nicknames" section what on earth does this actually mean: "This nickname, globally famous, was derived by the standard of living of then founders, all young torinesi students, in the latest years of the nineteenth century."? Not only does it not make grammatical sense, it doesn't actually explain the origin of the nickname "The Old Lady", which is the point it is supposed to be qualifying (certainly if there's an obvious connection between the founders of the club being poor students and the club winding up being known as The Old Lady I can't see it.....) ChrisTheDude 09:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Done[reply]

See the article "Trivia" in Juventus' article in it-wiki (Curiosita' sulla JFC). --Dantetheperuvian 20:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dantetheperuvian

Urgent insert explanation of "Managerial history" would help the non-expert reader and -principally- the English readers (Managerial responsability in UK is not the same respect a Italy, Spain and Latin-America for example).
Insert Stadium (and Project Stadium) information (see the same article in it-wiki).
Insert + info for "Supporters" (is not the same respect to UK)...
Urgent make the article "History of Juventus F.C." (see the same article in it-wiki). In this moment this section is poor (and principally talks for Calciopoli). Very poor IN THIS MOMENT for one of most legendary clubs of the world according FIFA...
Insert Article "Juventus F.C. seasons" (exist only for 2006-07. The club was founded in 1897).
Insert some historical and present photos.
Insert Juventus Center and Juventus Channel links here:

Sorry for my poor English, it's not my native languaje. --Dantetheperuvian 20:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]