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Degrassi

I've listed this article for peer review because I want to prepare it for FA status. Prior to 2021, the Wikipedia coverage of Degrassi was not good. A lot of the articles either had a lot of cruft, were never edited to reflect more recent developments, or were poorly sourced. I've been steadily improving and expanding existing articles and making new well-sourced articles to do with the franchise after extensively researching and exhausting all the research databases, purchasing books, etc. For instance, I was able to unearth how important and popular the Degrassi series pre-Next Generation actually were, compare this 2020 version of Degrassi Junior High to the current version.

I think it'd be really neat to have this get featured status especially with the increased attention Degrassi has been getting due to the news of the reboot!

Thanks, ToQ100gou (talk) 05:13, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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@ToQ100gou: This has been open for over a month without comment. Do you want to keep this open? If so, I suggest asking for reviewers on Wikiprojects attached to this article. If not, can this be closed? Z1720 (talk) 22:52, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I would like to keep this open. I would really appreciate someone taking a look at the article. ToQ100gou (talk) 01:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Aoba47

I hope these comments are helpful. I am only doing a superficial read-through, but hopefully, this will encourage other editors to participate in this peer review. My comments are below:

• Citations are not usually used in the lead except when it is controversial information. I do not see any particularly controversial about what is being cited in the lead and all of this information should be present and sourced in the article itself anyway.
  • Fixed. ToQ100gou (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• The lead is quite long and this may cause an issue at a FAC. I only mention this because it was a point of concern for the Reign of Cleopatra article at its FAC (and that article similarly used four long paragraphs for its lead).
  • I agree absolutely. I'm just not sure how to go about it, since this is a long-running franchise, I don't know how to shorten it without potentially omitting some important information. ToQ100gou (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• I would make sure the images use WP:ALT text.
• I would avoid WP:SANDWICH for File:Degrassi typeface.png and File:Drake 2010.jpg.
  • I've removed the Drake picture for now. ToQ100gou (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Why does the "The Kids of Degrassi Street books" subsection not use citations while they are used in the other subsections?
• I am not sure about the current structure of the "Books" section. The short subsections appear choppy to me, since they are each one paragraph a piece, and I'd think there would be a way to better present this information more seamlessly.
  • Replaced them with "Novelizations" and "non-fiction". ToQ100gou (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• I would avoid having a section with a single sentence (i.e. the "Soundtracks" section). It should also provide a stronger summary of what is present in the list and the "main article" link should List of Degrassi: The Next Generation soundtracks as List of Degrassi soundtracks made me think it would be about the soundtracks for the franchise as a whole.
  • I just removed that section for now. ToQ100gou (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
  • That was an error on my end. The original title of the article was "List of Degrassi soundtracks", and I moved it to "List of Degrassi: The Next Generation soundtracks". I must have forgotten to change the link here. This is actually something I've been attempting to mitigate since 2021. The issue is that many people use "Degrassi" as a shorthand for "Degrassi: The Next Generation". Not only that but the show was officially renamed "Degrassi" in its later years. Since "Next Generation" is the best-known version, many people take "Degrassi" on its own as meaning that particular version of the show, rather than the franchise. In an encyclopedic context this could cause confusion to outsiders. So I went around two years ago and started fixing a lot of that. ToQ100gou (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• The "Notes" section should be removed since there are no notes.
• Per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, the show titles should put in italics in the citations titles. I would also avoid have a citation in all caps (á la Citation 91).
• Why are the websites/publishers not linked in the citations (like The Globe and Mail in Citation 1 or The Canadian Encyclopedia in Citation 2)?
• I would encourage you to look through all the citations to make sure they are done properly. I did a random spot-check and Citations 3, 71, and 76 is missing the author, which is a major piece of information to not include in the citation.
• Sources like Citation 111 should be marked as requiring a subscription to read.
• It would be more ideal to use page numbers for the Linda Schuyler book The Mother of All Degrassi: A Memoir (and she should be linked in the citation).
• I find the structure of the "Sources" section to be confusing. It is not alphabetized so the order seems random. I was initially under the impress the books and more academic sources were put in this section, but then Schuyler's book is separated from this group.

I do not think this article is ready for a FAC. I am sorry as I know you have been waiting for months for feedback. I have only done a brief read-through of the article, but I have noticed some fundamental issues. I would start with fixing the citations as those should be the foundation for the rest of the article. It may be beneficial to reach out to editors who work on television articles and frequently participate in the GAN/FAC spaces. You can post messages in the WikiProjects about this. I am sorry to say this as I do appreciate your enthusiasm, but this article still requires a decent amount of work. Best of luck with it! Aoba47 (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Aoba47: For some reason I am only discovering this now after a month. I didn't get a notification. Thanks for the review, though, and sorry to hear it isn't ready for FA yet. I'll see what I can do. ToQ100gou (talk) 04:39, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@ToQ100gou: I hope this does not come across as rude, but I do think it is time to close this peer review. It has been open for months and aside from my comments, no one else has participated in this, and it is very, very unlikely that will change. Sorry, but I wanted to ping you about this matter. Aoba47 (talk) 02:49, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Aoba47: Fine, I guess it can be closed. I couldn't be more disappointed at the lack of attention and care given to Degrassi on Wikipedia. I guess there's no hope there. But at least I tried! ToQ100gou (talk) 04:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@ToQ100gou: Have you tried reaching out to other editors and asking them to help with peer reviews like this one? I have also found it helpful to participate in other peer reviews or in the GAN and/or FAC space as that is another way to draw attention to the peer review. Unfortunately, I rarely find that things get attention on their own. I wouldn't give up on it completely, but I would think of ways to draw attention to it more. I would also keep peer reviews and the like on your watchlist so that way you do not miss people's comments. Best of luck with it either way! Aoba47 (talk) 15:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@ToQ100gou: To ensure that they saw the above. Are you still interested in keeping this open? Z1720 (talk) 02:02, 18 January 2023 (UTC) @Z1720: Yes, I am still interested in keeping this open. ToQ100gou (talk) 04:39, 18 January 2023 (UTC)