Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of counties in Utah/archive1

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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:25, 11 May 2010 [1].

List of counties in Utah

Featured list candidates/List of counties in Utah/archive1

Nominator(s): Bgwhite (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list. Information about U.S. county lists can be found at WP:COUNTYLISTS. I've been using the western states as guides. Bgwhite (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jujutacular ^T · C 00:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The lead needs expansion. Talk about population figures, trends in county etymologies, etc. See List of counties in Florida and other recently promoted county FL's for examples.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilinks to the counties in the 'origin' column would be nice.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know its not a requirement, but add some simple alt text for the main image. See Template:Missouri County Labelled Map for an example.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Years of people's birth and death should be separated by an en dash, not a hyphen.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
More recently promoted county FL's use "Counties" as the heading instead of "List".
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Try to give just a little bit more info about what the counties were named for. Example: instead of just "The Sevier River", write: "The Sevier River, a 280 mi (450 km) long river, the longest in Utah".
- Hopefully it is done Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any counties that no longer exist, or any renamings?
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely looking good, but requires some more work. Thank you for submitting this list to FLC. Jujutacular ^T · C 01:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looking even better! Thanks for the quick responses. A few more concerns:

Yea, working at 2am in the morning may be quick, but leads to mistakes which you caught. Bgwhite (talk) 21:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology for Tooele County isn't clear.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieval dates for refs are not consistent. User either "April 29, 2010", or "2010-04-29" throughout.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reword Carbon County etymology for consistency - all others do not include full stops.
- Done. Iron County was the same Bgwhite (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink all the counties where they appear in the origin column. It's a sortable table, so those won't always come first (see WP:REPEATLINK).
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jujutacular ^T · C 19:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks very good now. Jujutacular ^T · C 00:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

"in the U.S. state of" I would prefer "United States state..."
- I disagree here; "United States state" sounds terribly redundant and awkward, and U.S. is such a ubiquitous abbreviation that I don't think it bears spelling out even on the first appearance (much I like I would not expect UK, BBC, CNN etc. to be spelled out either in most articles). Dabomb87 (talk) 22:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I have been dinged in FA for not using "U.S. state" Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"originally seven counties formed under the provisional State of Deseret" when?
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"The first legislature re-created the original counties from the State of Deseret as well as creating three additional counties: Juab, Millard, and Washington. All counties were created by.." confusing. The first sentence is talking about the creation of counties back in 1850-odd, while the next sentence

"All counties..." probably isn't. Can we clear this up?

- Done. But please check if it is ok with you Bgwhite (talk) 23:20, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can we link gubernatorial for us non-US readers?
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"the population of Utah is 2,736,424" no, it was that many, in 2008.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Davis county - there's a conflict between the lead and table in land area.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason why the column heading refs are on different lines from the heading?
- It's the way Template:Countytabletop handles it Bgwhite (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What's a "county seat"?
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not convinced Origin should be sortable.
- Other FLC county articles have it sortable. However, instead of "origin", some use "formed from" Bgwhite (talk) 22:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Should Apostle just be apostle (per the articles" you link to)?
- Yes, it should be capitalized..."Apostle". Added a wikilink Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"A Native American word translated "thirsty valley"" why not "A Native American translation of "thirsty valley""?
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
" iron ore is still being produced." surely it's being mined, not produced?
- Done... My wife thinks money grows on trees so why can't iron be produced? :)
"Uncertain, either from the Goshute Tribe Chief Tuilla or the [Tule" strange [
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Link Ute every time - it's a sortable list.
- I'm confused. Where is Ute used in a sortable list? Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - According to me it's used four times and linked only once. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done, but need some clarification. Ute is used in a column that is not sortable, do you still wikilink? Bgwhite (talk) 07:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yes, because the whole row can appear in different locations within the list if the list is sorted by one of the sortable columns. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Dates in the second table - what does this really mean? They're not dates for a start, just years...
- Done. Separated into two tables called "created" and "superseded" Bgwhite (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"growing in the area, but they are actually" perhaps "...area (which are actually...)"
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason why that second table isn't sortable?
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't mix date formats in the references.
- Done Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What makes "nw-utah-heritage.com" a reliable source?
- Done. Couldn't remember the origin of St. Mary's and Shambip's name. Went back to library today to look it up in the book. Bgwhite (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support I'm happy now. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments.

All counties were established by the Utah Territorial Legislature under territorial law except for the last two counties formed, Daggett and Duchesne. This is a slightly confusing sentence. It should probably read "all other counties" meaning all counties except those 10 already mentioned in the previous sentence.
Please, also specify the time frame when they were created. (1851-1896?)
They were created by popular vote and by gubernatorial proclamation. Please, specify years. It is also worth mentioning that at the time of their creation Utah was a state.
I am also interested why the last two were created out of process? The article should probably clarify this.
The image in the leading section should have a caption.

Ruslik_Zero 09:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've addressed items 1-4. Thank you, I've always wondered about Daggett County and now I know why it was created.
I'm not sure how to add a caption to the image. It's not an image/file. Do you know how? Bgwhite (talk) 00:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Jujutacular ^T · C 01:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You added alt text, not caption. Ruslik_Zero 12:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added both, please check again. Jujutacular ^T · C 19:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you added but it is not displayed. Ruslik_Zero 11:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem is that the lead image is not an image map or thumbnail; it uses the template {{image label}}, so the caption does not appear. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Actually that caption parameter determines the rollover text for the image (which worked). Not sure about the "caption" though. Jujutacular ^T · C 14:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I think currently the list satisfies FL criteria. (I fixed caption problem myself.) Ruslik_Zero 17:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The added caption has displaced all of the county labels... at least on my browser (Firefox). Jujutacular ^T · C 19:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I temp disabled my fix, but in this case the labels should be shifted down to match new position of the map. Ruslik_Zero 19:40, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've created a different template with shifted labels and added it. Check it out to see if it looks good to you. Feel free to play with the positions: Template:Utah County Labelled Map2. Jujutacular ^T · C 21:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. Ruslik_Zero 10:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is something not really in your control, but the map is out of date; a sizeable enough change to be visible was made in 2003 when Green River was transferred to Emery County from Grand County. --Golbez (talk) 17:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Green River was in both couties. Residential in Emery and commercial in Grand, but most of the land was in Grand. A guesstimate from an outline of Utah shows the county transfer looks to be a 20 mile (east/west) by 5 mile (north/south) area into Grand County. I have GIS data for utah. If you show me some information on how to update the map, I'll do it. Bgwhite (talk) 21:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I figured things out. I updated the map to show the new boundaries between Emery and Grand counties. I did a pixel by pixel change from the latest census maps Bgwhite (talk) 00:41, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Very good list. --Carioca (talk) 19:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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