Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/November 2008

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List of Stewards of the Manor of Northstead

previous FLC (15:45, 17 September 2008)

• Corrected everything from the last round; I'm now looking to get it promoted. I've made the names sortable (and an f-load of work that was, too, my wrist is about dead) and the constitutencies/parties; I didn't see the point of sorting the resignation date (since it is in order anyway). Referenced, bluelinked, absolutely complete. Comments? Apologies for my informal stylings, I'm about dead on my feet.Ironholds (talk) 05:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Dates should be sortable, as at the moment sortinmg by party (for example) puts them out of order, and they cannot be returned.Yobmod (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, good point. I'll do that now, then. Ironholds (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Right, done. Anything else? Ironholds (talk) 22:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as i can see, the general reference does not give any reasons for resignation. If that is the case, i think they all need to be cited for this to be fearutred - ascribing motives to people without cites is dubious or looks like OR.Yobmod (talk) 08:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll get on to that. They come (mainly) from the articles on the MP's themselves, and the facts there aren't necessarily individually cited. I'll have to work on that bit now.

Ja, i'm sure it can all be cited, but is an annoying job. If it takes a while, consider mine a conditional support if that will keep this nomination open longer (condition being citing the reasons as above).Yobmod (talk) 10:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

That was quick! consider me as a supporter.

One tweek, can the date column be widened so they are all one line? (notes column seems to have enough space to spare).Yobmod (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure. They aren't all actually done yet, btw :P. I'm about 2/3rds through, I'll finish them off when I come back from lectures. Ironholds (talk) 11:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Rightyo, done. Ironholds (talk) 15:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments Weak Oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Many of the inline citations are not formatted and are missing info (publisher, last access date).
• "Currently the positions of Steward of the Manor of Northstead" Comma after "Currently".
• "Appointment to an "office of profit under The Crown" disqualifies an individual from sitting as a Member of Parliament (MP)" Add "An" before "Appointment".
• "In order to circumvent this prohibition, a legal fiction is used."
• "Most references say that it was first used in this way" What is "it"?
• "The writ for the electing of a replacement was moved as if Chalmers had been appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds." Unclear.
• The entire last paragraph of the lead is confusing; I don't understand the "alternation" of the two offices. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't you see that as "stuff to redo" rather than simply "reasons to oppose"? I'll work on it, but saying "here is a list of easily changeable reasons why I'm opposing" seems a bit odd.Ironholds (talk) 16:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I've done everything except the last para and the refs, which I'll work on. I'm not sure how to phrase the last para better, so maybe if I explain the principle here you can do a better job than I would; the positions are alternated in that if X, Y and Z resign, X will be appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds, Y to Northstead and then Z to the Hundreds. This is designed to allow multiple MP's to resign at once; if X and Y both want to resign at the same time, they are simply given the two different positions. If more than 2 resign at once (as in the case of X, Y and Z) then they would remove the first person to allow the third to resign, and so on. So if X, Y and Z want to resign, X is given Northstead, Y is given the Hundreds. X is then "fired" to free up the position, and Z is appointed. Ironholds (talk) 16:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

The way you just explained it to me is the best way to rephrase it. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

mmn, but WP isn't a big fan of OR examples. I'll try and rephrase it in a bit to remove those. Ironholds (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Righto, done the ref's. I've rephrased the last para as best I can; if you have time to check it I'd be grateful. Ironholds (talk) 07:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums of 2006

Submiting this list to achieve FL status, I think is ready to achieve it. Jaespinoza (talk) 21:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review from SRX [TRUco]

Comments

• Link to Reggaeton.  Done Jaespinoza (talk) 21:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
• Expand lead, add more about the other artists who had their albums chart.- TRU_CO 23:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)  Done Jaespinoza (talk) 21:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Further Comments

• Mexican rock band Maná with his first studio album since 2002, Amar Es Combatir entered the Billboard 200 at number four, making it the highest charting and biggest debut for a Spanish language album for a duo or group, and tied the record held by Shakira's Fijación Oral Vol. 1 since 2005. - changed his to their (band is plural). Comma after Mana. Comma after the name of the album. Remove "and biggest" from the sentence. Remove the statement about Shakira, irrelevant.  Done Jaespinoza (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
• With 30,000 units sold in its first week, Paulina Rubio debuted at number 25 in the Billboard 200 and achieve her third number one album on this chart with Ananda. - changed achieve to achieved. So this was her third #1 album in 2006? (that's how this sentence reads, is that correct?)  Done Jaespinoza (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
• Luny Tunes, Tainy and Hector El Father peaked at number one for the first time in their careers. - for what album?  Done Jaespinoza (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
• With Trozos de Mi Alma, Vol. 2, singer-songwriter Marco Antonio Solís peaked at number one for the sixth time, out of 16 solo releases. Remove out of 16 solo releases, irrelevant. add in his career after sixth time.--TRU_CO 23:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)  Done Jaespinoza (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
• With 30,000 units sold in its first week, Paulina Rubio debuted at number 25 in the Billboard 200 and achieved her third number one album on this chart with Ananda, after her albums Paulina and Pau-Latina did it on 2001 and 2004, respectively. - reword to after her albums Paulina and Pau-Latina accomplished it in 2001 and 2004, respectively.--TRU_CO 02:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)  Done Jaespinoza (talk) 17:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Weak Support - many prose issues to be resolved in my review, a peer review would have helped, but it now meets WP:WIAFL.--TRU_CO 01:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Meets all criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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Gaylactic Spectrum Award winners and nominees for best novel

I think this now passes the criteria in looks (I used the same format from a previous list) and utility (it's comprehensive and easier to use than the official lists). Planning to make a featured topic, this would be article number 3 in that.Yobmod (talk) 10:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, meets criteria and all my concerns addressed.Dillypickle (talk) 16:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, User:Dillypickle (talk)

Comments from Dillypickle (talk · contribs) 'Typos' ...eligible to be inducted into the "Hall of Fame" The novels category is...

Missing full-stop

...were released is the predceding years.... ...were all released first published before... redundant 'Other' Be consistent with using the LGBT/GLBT initialisation. How are the awards decided, judging or voting? Citations number 3 and 14 have something wrong with them. References and notes not both needed, as one is empty. Dillypickle (talk) 11:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed typos.

Now using LGBT throughout, except in quote.

Added sentence about judging.

Fixed citations (cite name was wrong)

Merged notes into references, with general and specific.

Think that's all adressed there. Thanks!Yobmod (talk) 13:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• I'm not comfortable with "winners and nominees". Of the other "Awards" FLs, two are winners and nominees and the other eight are just winners. Truthfully, I don't see the value of listing six to ten entries when there's only one winner. Being a nominee might deserve mention in the book's article, or the author's, but I don't see how that fits our "Featured" model. But I could be wrong.

I can add sources showing that SF magazine consider being nominated to be notable enough to be mentioned about individual works in reviews etc, and SF magazines that report on the nominees lists when released, but there isn't a good place to put it in this article (i'm putting things like that in the main article). As the official site and Locus both list nominees, i followed their judgemnet that these were something readers wanted to know.

It differs slightly from other awards, in that who wins is not really the point - it provides a list of quality LGBT related works in a genre that has often ignored such, which is why nominees-short list get mentioned in reviews, unlike other minor SF awards.

I copied the formatting from the featured list List of Academy Award winners and nominees for Best Foreign Language Film, which for a similar reason list all nominees (people interested in the winners are almost certinly interested in thenominees in such a specialist catergory.)

Fe also have featured list of only submissions for media awards (like this, which i think is not notable at all), and lists for musicians etc. that include all their nominations so far. (btw, there are dozens of awards featured lists - this is not the main article for the award, that one only lists winners. Should i rename to "List of..."? I thought it would be too long!)

Final point (promise!): I wasn't completely indiscriminate, the long list of nominees is also available on the list, and i maybe 10 - 20 times longer. Those i agree are not notable, and getting to the long list is never mentioned in professional magazines.Yobmod (talk) 15:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to retract this comment. I've just reviewed many of the FL awards lists and there are several that include nominees. And your points are good ones. Never mind :)

And i though i wrote too much, but i was way to caffeinated to order my thoughts properly;-).Yobmod (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• I think the section heading "Hall of Fame Novels" needs a small "n".

done.

• You currently have three indicators for "winner" - bold, lavender color, and the word "Won". That's overkill, in my opinion. If you're going to have winners and nominees both in the list, you really only need the background and the "Result" column.

OK, i'll unbold them. Done.

• Authors need to be sorted by last name - use the {{sortname}} function to do that - or ask me if you have any questions.

best advice i've gotten for ages - i'll try and figure out how to do. Thanks!Yobmod (talk) 15:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, figured it out, will try to write some HTML code that can do this automatically - otherwise that's my sunday gone!

• Likewise the "Book Title" column needs to make use of the {{sort}} function.

Is this just to sort them without the preceding article (the and a)? I've now done that (so The Virtu sorts to V, not T).Yobmod (talk) 21:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• Should the "T" of "Book Title" be capitalized? I'm thinking not, but I could be wrong about that.

done. Is a bad habit from learning German and UK schooling :-).

• The "Publisher" column should be wikilinked where available.

Done all that have pages, and linked imprints without pages to the parent publisher (eg. Eos to Harpercollins).Yobmod (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• Reverse the phrase:

LGBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender)

to say

lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT)

done.

• I'm going to Weak Oppose for the moment, but will review again and would like to have some input from other reviewers on the "nominees" issue. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

If you need any help with the {{sortname}}, let me know. I also can write macros to do a lot of that in my text editor, so if you think you'll be spending much time one it, I can probably get to it for you.

Support -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "and presented at Gaylaxicon" What is Gaylaxicon (specify in article)?

Added short description.

• "Other categories have also been added and removed in intervening years, and works produced prior to the inception of the awards are eligible to be inducted into the "Hall of Fame"." "prior to"-->before.

done.

• I don't see a problem with the listing of the nominees. As long as the scope is defined and the information is suitably referenced and presented in an organized manner, this should not be an issue. See Lambda Literary Awards winners and nominees for science fiction, fantasy and horror.

Yay!

• "Each award currently consists of an etched image on lucite on a stand"

done.

• "A small cash stipend is also awarded to winners " Dabomb87 (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

done.

Think that's all of those. Thanks for reviewing!Yobmod (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of WCW World Tag Team Champions

I am co-nominating this list with User:ThinkBlue, me and her have expanded this list for about a year now and we now feel it satisfies WP:WIAFL. Note, Solie.org (which is used as the general reference) is not reliable as a whole, but is reliable in this context because it is using information from the book "Royal Duncan & Gary Will Wrestling Title Histories (Archeus Communications) [4th Edition 2006] ISBN 0-9698161-5-4" which is a reliable book of reference. We just felt it would be better to have a published link to the information than just referencing the book itself. Any additional comments will be addressed.--TRU_CO 22:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• Strong support - much work has been put into this article, I can tell you that. I've seen them working on it forever and myself sitting in the background going "this is a fail article ;) " but I was wrong. Good work, and it looks just like the rest of the pro wrestling title lists should look. iMatthew 23:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The championship was created for WCW by the NWA, who also oversaw the title's operation," "who"-->which.
• "The champions during WCW's withdrawal from the NWA were Doom (Ron Simmons and Butch Reed), and were the first WCW recognized champions." "and"-->who.
• "Between the title's creation and retirement, there were 145 reigns. Harlem Heat (Booker T and Stevie Ray) held the most reigns as a tag team (10), while Booker T held the most individual reigns" "while"-->and.
• "Doom's reign during WCW's NWA withdrawal was the longest in the championship's history at 282 days."-->At 282 days, Doom's reign during WCW's NWA withdrawal was the longest in the championship's history. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Reworded everything you pointed out. --TRU_CO 02:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Wooooooo! Nice work. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments by NatureBoyMD

Comments from NatureBoyMD (talk · contribs)

• The explanations for "Reigns," "Event," and "—" in the table key do not require periods at the end since they are not complete thoughts.
• The sorting needs to be fixed for the number column so that reigns with em-dashes appear in the correct chronological order. Presently, the numbers are correctly sorted, but the em-dashed reigns are grouped at the top or bottom of the list when sorted.
• There is no date or "N/A" for reign #119.
• There is a stray comma after "Spring Stampede" for reign #126. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Got the above, except for the second point. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I got the second point, all your concerns are done.--TRU_CO 21:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
      • I noticed you missed two em-dashes, so I went ahead and added [[{{{1}}}]] to them too. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Knight's Cross recipients of the Schnellboot service

The article lists all sailors and officers that received the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross during World War II. I think this meets all the criteria of a featured list article.MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross (German: Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes) and its variants was the highest award in the military of the Third Reich." "was"-->were. done
• "During World War II, 23 German sailors and officers of the Schnellboot (Fast Attack Craft) service as part of the Kriegsmarine received the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross." I think "as part of" should be "which was a part of" and enclosed in commas. done
• "Among them, 8 officers received the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves (Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub)." "Among them"-->Of them or Of these. done
• "a higher grade, the Oak Leaves to Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross was instituted." Comma after "Iron Cross". done
• "At the end of 1944 the last and final grade," done
• "based on the enactment Reichsgesetzblatt 1945 I S. 11 of 29 December 1944 concluded the variants of the Knight's Cross." Comma after 1944. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC) done
  • All comments addressed MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - another well constructed and interesting list on Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 22:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose I assume that all the info comes from the general sources, but the personal info should be cited. Especially the one accusing of a crime (suicide) which contravenes WP:BLP, but prefereaby all the notes.Yobmod (talk) 10:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, that was a very similar featured article (i clicked a link, but it looked like the same page)- how did that pass while breaking policy?Yobmod (talk) 10:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Q: Why does this article exist, if a more comprehensive article with ALL awardees is already featured?Yobmod (talk) 10:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

A: It isn't unheard of. Woody's done something similar with the Victoria-Cross pages, splitting them according to nationalities, service-branches, and wars. Cam ^(Chat) 06:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I have. You cannot get this list of recipients from the main article. They list different things, they are separate areas of study. The main list shows all the recipients, by which grade they received. I can see the point about duplication with List of Knight's Cross recipients of the Kriegsmarine. Indeed, wasn't the Schnellboot service part of the Kriegsmarine, so all information in this list is included in the Kriegsmarine list? Are there any specific reasons for duplication? Woody (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

My main motivation for breaking these recipients out is that two groups stand out when looking at the KC recipients of the Kriegsmarine. The first and largest group were those men that served on German U-boats (see List of Knight's Cross recipients of the U-boat service). The second but smaller group came from the Schnellboot service. Together they comprised roughly 55% of all the Kriegsmarine recipients. The remaining 45% are a mixed bunch of people, some came from destroyers, auxiliary cruisers, battleships, Naval infantry, etc. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Portland Trail Blazers head coaches

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 22:04, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

• The Trail Blazers has also sold out 814 consecutive home games from 1977 through 1995, the longest such streak in American professional sports. - source?

The source is after the last sentence in the paragraph. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 22:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• The #, name, and terms should be made sortable.

I'll see if it can work. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 22:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It can't work. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 22:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 22:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - My comments were resolved to comply with WP:FL?.--S_RX 22:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Support —Chris! _ct 02:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by Chrishomingtang

Comments

• How is http://www.fundinguniverse.com/ a reliable source?—Chris! _ct 00:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I copied the link from Portland Trail Blazers. Should be a reliable source since that good article is using it. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

That reasoning does not establish reliability; however, this: "Source: International Directory of Company Histories, Vol. 50. St. James Press, 2003. " listed at the bottom of the page may. Ask User:Ealdgyth about this one. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I added two more references to support to fundinguniverse.com one. I'll ask Ealdgyth right now. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Ealdgyth is on vacation, but I checked out the links with link checker tool, and it looks like sources look okay. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Note that http://www.thocp.net/biographies/allen_paul.htm may not be entirely reliable, since it use Wikipedia as one of its sources. This http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1114257/index.htm could be a replacement. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you should remove the fundinguniverse.com ref since you now have replacement.—Chris! _ct 05:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I still need it for the sentence about the consecutive sold outs. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Then please find a better source for that fact. Will support if this is done.—Chris! _ct 06:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

One more thing, "This is a list of head coaches of the Portland Trail Blazers" -> "Portland Trail Blazers"—Chris! _ct 16:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The Portland Trail Blazers are an American professional basketball team that plays in the Northwest Division of the Western Conference in the National Basketball Association (NBA). Based in Portland, Oregon,"-->The Portland Trail Blazers are an American professional basketball team based in Portland, Oregon. They play in the Northwest Division of the Western Conference in the National Basketball Association (NBA). I'm not just suggesting that you should change it to the other way because that is what other head coach FL lists do. It's also because the way it is now, the first sentence has way too much jargon for the uninformed reader (Northwest Division, Western Conference, and NBA). The lead sentence should just establish definition and notability: " American professional basketball team" provides the those elements, "Portland, Oregon" provides context (location). Anything more is too much.
• "The Trail Blazers has also sold" "has"-->have.
• ". Mike Schuler and Mike Dunleavy have been named the NBA Coach of the Year, in 1986–87 and 1998–99 respectively, with the Trail Blazers." Extra period at the beginning of the sentence. "have been named the NBA Coach of the Year"-->won the NBA Coach of the Year Award.
• "currently" (used twice in lead)—against MOS (See WP:MOS#Precise language, and is unnecessary because the use of the present tense conveys the "currently" information anyway. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE all. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments (KV5)

• Articles don't start with "This is an article about...", so lists shouldn't either. Find a more appropriate and interesting opening hook.

Another user did that, not me. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 21:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• Per BOLDTITLE, no links in the bold title. This might be resolved by changing the first sentence as well.

Another user did that, not me. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 21:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• The above two still need to be changed, whether you made the alterations or not. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• -.- They already are fixed. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 23:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• In the first para, 1970 is not linked, and 1995 is linked twice.

They are different link. Laugh out loud. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 21:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• Then it needs to be changed because it's extremely ambiguous. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 23:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Other than that, it looks good. Well done. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 23:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of premiers of Newfoundland and Labrador

Gary King (talk) 03:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador is the first minister" Shouldn't "First Minister" be capitalized? This term is overlinked, by the way.
• "An election may also take place if the governing party loses the confidence of the legislature, by the defeat of a supply bill or tabling of a confidence motion." No comma needed.
• "Newfoundland and Labrador has had several Prime Ministers and Premiers as its head of governments since 1855." Once again, much of this information is repeated in greater detail in the next sentence.
• "six member Commission" Hyphenate "six-member", are you sure that Comission should be capitalized; it is referring to a general commission.
• Ref 1 needs a publication date. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 04:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment Please get an experienced image reviewer (i.e. User:David Fuchs to verify that all images are properly licensed/attributed. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• The images look good, I tidied them up 'cause I'm OCD like that. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 19:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of moons

I think this list meets all the FL criteria and is comprehensively referenced. If it does pass, I think User:RandomCritic and User:Mike Peel should receive credit.Serendi^podous 22:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• We're moving FLC away from "This is a list of"-type leads, so please change it to be more attractive.
• Remove the self-reference "see asteroid moons and Trans-Neptunian moons." – it wouldn't make sense when printed on paper, would it?
• "See Timeline of discovery of Solar System planets and their moons for more information." – same as above
• "These are not listed here; see List of asteroid moons." – same

Gary King (talk) 04:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Issues addressed. Serendi^podous 07:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't this be better as a long sortable list, with a field for planet? The small seperate tables (with only one or two entries) don't pass the attracitvness criteria for me.Yobmod (talk) 12:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

That wouldn't really work, because each moon is ordered first by its planet and then by its distance from the planet.Serendi^podous 13:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

This was one of the reasons I was hesitant to submit this as a featured list when I was working on it. There are a number of other lists of moons scattered around wikipedia, ordered by different things, and there are also lists on some of the "Moons of ..." pages for some of the planets. See Template:Solar System moons (compact). These ideally need to be unified somehow, or at least better organized, which is a task that put me off working on this list. Mike Peel (talk) 14:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

They are being organised. That's what I'm working on. The Moons of... articles are being promoted to featured status and incorporated into planetary subtopics of the Solar System featured topic. But the FT reviewers also demanded a subtopic for featured lists, so I've been going around attempting to bulk up and consolidate the lists. Serendi^podous 15:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

The distance can also be used to sort, no? And if the entries are written in planet then distance order, this is how the table would initially present itself anyway. But the combined sortable list would have the advantage of letting readers easily see what the 10 biggest are etc.15:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, but it would effectively render List of moons by diameter meaningless. Serendi^podous 17:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

All right. I've combined it. I'll have to redirect List of moons by diameter here now. Serendi^podous 22:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks nice! I support in terms of usefulness and attractiveness (not really looked at other things though).Yobmod (talk) 13:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• The last sentence in the lead snakes confusingly; it implies the telescopes are irregular.
• "Note that for a brief time in 1974, Mercury was thought to have a moon." Could this be "For a brief time in 1974, however, Mercury was thought to have a moon" or something similar? There's no need for the prose to be overly dry.
• "2002 AA29[4];" ← move citation to after punctuation.
• "however these do not count as moons as they do not orbit Earth." I think this would sound nicer rejigged as "however, since they do not orbit Earth, they are not considered moons."
• General question: is it normal to write out long numbers like you do (123 456)? I've only ever seen 123456, 123,456 and 123.456 before.
• "putting the maximum size of any other satellites at 0.9 km" ← is this in diameter? I'm probably just being a layperson here.
• Maybe you should point out that Ceres, Haumea and Makemake aren't standard planets.
• "with two isolated in space" is unclear.
• Jupiter has a nice little introduction, but none of the other planets do afterwards. Saturn, for instance, should surely have one, if not all the others.
• The text on Makemake is unclear to the layman.
• "but is expected to be of order 100 km" is unclear.
• Am I supposed to know what "Other TNOs" refers to?

I hope these comments help. Seegoon (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed your minor issues. Still working on removing the number spaces. The intros and distinguishing planets from dwarf planets will have to wait until it's decided whether or not this article is going to be made into a single list, because if that happens the entire article will have to be rewritten anyway. Serendi^podous 18:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool. I don't envy that job. Support. Seegoon (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Note to all: The "Moons by planet" section is unfinished, but it is currently very late where I am, and I am going to bed. Serendi^podous 23:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

OK. Finished. Serendi^podous 09:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Useful list, well sourced and very interesting to read. Good job all those who contributed and put in the time to make it. BritishWatcher (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
• Support A very nice, readable, interesting, and sourced list. Reywas92^Talk 16:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Chris Brown

I'm nominating this list after its peer review (which is now archived) and I've made all corrections needed to assure this list to meet the featured list criteria. DiverseMentality 06:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Now this is what I look for in a list - prose in each section rather than just tables. Good job. (Also it meets all criteria.Mitch32^(UP) 18:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments - Good list, two things however. 1)Lists like these explain how they gained to prominence, usually explained in 1-2 sentences. 2)Even though the overall count is in the infobox, there needs to be a sentence stating how many awards/nom he has received, usually at the end of the final paragraph.--S_RX 18:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Added both. DiverseMentality 18:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my comment was resolved to comply with WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 21:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Brown has been nominated one time." "one time"-->once. This occurs several times in the article.
• Overlinking of Black Entertainment Television.
• "The awards are presented before the BET Awards annually and broadcast live on BET."-->These annually presented awards are presented before the BET Awards and broadcast live on BET.
• Refs 21 and 28 need a publisher (and publication date if available) and a last access date.
• "Brown has won six awards of twenty nominations." "of"-->from.
• "Brown has won one award of two nominations." "of"-->from. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

  Done except for ref 28's publisher (as I have no idea) or publication date, since it doesn't have one. DiverseMentality 23:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Washington Nationals managers

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - Does the references have to keep being linked again and again? Using the same reference like crazy is an eyesore.Mitch32^(UP) 18:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't really get what you mean... -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 21:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

He means, why do you wikilink every publisher in the references.--S_RX 22:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Because there is an article about the publisher? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 22:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Its really about personal choice, so that shouldn't prevent it from becoming an FL.--S_RX 23:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I hope you are correct, because some reviewers insist that every instance should be linked, since you do not know which particular footnote a reader will be looking at. Rlendog (talk) 16:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I wikilinked all the publishers. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

• The Washington Nationals are members of the National League (NL) East Division in Major League Baseball (MLB). - well this is where they work, but in this sentence, it should be stated what they do and what they are, i.e. a baseball franchise.
• I also don't understand why in the key GM stands from "Regular seasons managed" it doesn't add up, can you elaborate? The G just puzzles me.
• The # Column should be sortable.

There is no use for it to be sortable, since the list is already sorted by #. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 22:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• The lead should also be expanded like in other FL's of this subject. I.e. +where they play, who is the teams owner.

It already says where they play. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 22:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 22:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• DONE all without comments. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 22:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - My review was resolved to comply with WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 23:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments by NatureBoyMD

• Comments from NatureBoyMD (talk · contribs)

• "There have been 12 different managers in their franchise history." Either drop the "their" or make it "franchise's".
• "The Nationals are currently owned by Ted Lerner, with Jim Bowden as their general manager.[4]" Per WP:DATED
• Link "general manager" to General manager (baseball)
• On a related note, since you mention the GM, it would be great to include a GM table too.

The article isn't called List of Washington Nationals managers and general managers. Also, I didn't mention anything about general managers, I only mentioned about the Nationals executives, which includes the owner and general manager. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Acta is the current manager of the Nationals. Per WP:DATED
• It should be "winning percentage", not "Win–Loss percentage", since it only represents the percentage of games won.
• In the table, Gene Mauch has an asterisk by his name, but isn't shaded in green.

Image captions:

• "Manny Acta is the manager of the Nationals since 2007." → "Manny Acta has been the manager of the Nationals since 2007." or "Manny Acta has managed the Nationals since 2007."
• "Felipe Alou (right), shown with the San Francisco Giants, have managed ten seasons with the Expos."
• "Frank Robinson, shown with the San Francisco Giants, have managed five season with the Expos." Also, add an "s" to seasons. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE everything without comments. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Just a few more...

• You still need to change "season" to "seasons" in the Frank Robinson image caption.
• "W–L%" in the table header & key should be changed to either "Win %" or "WPct" to reflect the "winning percentage" comment above. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 03:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE all. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Nice work. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Meets all criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Rufus Wainwright

I've nominated this awards list for Featured List status because I feel it is of quality, and I have corrected problems addressed in a recent peer review session. As far as I know, these are all of the awards and nominations Rufus Wainwright has received, and I believe each one has been cited appropriately. Thanks! Whataworld06 (talk) 18:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments by SRX

• He has released five albums of original music: Rufus Wainwright (1998), Poses (2001), Want One (2003), Want Two (2004), and Release the Stars (2007). - what does original music mean here? Is there a link for this term, or can it be elaborated.
  • "Original" as in songs he has written himself. This is to differentiate his own five studio albums from his live tribute album, Rufus Does Judy at Carnegie Hall (where he sings standards written and composed by other lyricists and composers). Whataworld06 (talk) 22:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
• Several of Wainwright's singles have appeared on the UK Singles Chart, including "I Don't Know What it Is" which peaked at #74, "Hallelujah" which peaked at #100, and "Going to a Town" which peaked at #54. - because you haven't mentioned the UK before, it should be spelled out as "United Kingdom" (even if the chart's name is UK _____
  •  Done Whataworld06 (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
• Overall, Wainwright has received 9 awards from 29 nominations. - this should be connected to the last paragraph not by itself.--S_RX 21:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
  •  Done Thank you so much for your time and assistance! Whataworld06 (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - My review was resolved to follow WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 22:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support per precedent w/ Chris Brown. I really like how this came out. My only suggestion is to convert the bullet section into paragraph prose. However, that does not hold up my support.Mitch32^(UP) 18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support I made minor copy-edits, but it looks good otherwise. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Thank you. The 'UK' edit you made is actually how it was before--I simply changed it based on suggestions made (see above). However, I appreciate the assistance very much. Thanks again! Whataworld06 (talk) 18:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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Natacha Atlas discography

I am nominating this discography because I believe it to be complete and well referenced. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 00:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Delink "Belgian", "Begium" & "United States"
• seventeen → 17
• Title → Album details (Studio albums, of course)
• 5 May, 1997 → 5 May 1997 (remove the comma of all the dates that are in international format)
• Formats → Format
• Cassette → CS
• What is "Marc Eagleton Project" and "Mazeeka Ensemble"? (For me, that does not know the work of Natacha Atlas, it is difficult to understand.)
• featuring → feat.
  • Example: (feat. Sawt El Atlas)
  • Put these mini-notes in parenthesis, and break them under the name of songs. (use <br />)
• Formats → Format or Format(s)
• Released on 24 May, 2005 → Released: 24 May 2005
• Something Dangerous this unnecessarily broken. (Singles table)
• "Quand Je Ferme Les Yeux" featuring Myra Boyle → "Quand je Ferme les Yeux" (feat. Myra Boyle)

Weak oppose – Some inconsistencies that can be easily resolved, I believe. Cannibaloki 02:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I got everything. I put a note next to Marc Eagleton (songwriter/producer) and the Mazeeka Ensemble (backing band). Where did you want me to change the seventeen to 17? -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 03:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

"two compilation albums, seventeen singles, and one video album" Cannibaloki 03:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Done -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 05:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I made some changes on "Singles" section, but if you do not agree, can undoing. If you like the format, change the value of 3 to 4 in the table of Studio albums. (example: ! style="width:4em;font-size:80%") Regards, Cannibaloki 04:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for making the changes. It looks good! -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 17:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Support – All done. Cannibaloki 21:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Review by SRX

• In 1993, Atlas joined ethnic electronica group Transglobal Underground as lead singer and belly dancer. - +the before "lead singer"
• After the above sentence, it is not stated how she gained prominence solo, it should be noted.

I don't know what else to put. She's famous for her own solo recordings and she never left Transglobal Underground. Throughout the years she has provided vocals for their albums and singles. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 18:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• The album, composed of traditional Arabic and electronic music, reached number one hundred and twenty-three in the United Kingdom. - because the ranking was in a three digits place, it should be in number format versus words (i.e. #100), since it is distracting to read a big number like that in word format.
• In the UK, the album reached number one hundred and twenty-eight. - number as well.
• The album, which features acoustic songs originally performed by Fairuz and Abdel Halim Hafez, reached number one hundred and sixty-two in France. - number as wellS_RX 21:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments Looks really good. My only complaint is with the prose of introduction paragraph. It goes into alot of detail about each album, but nothing else. No singles, compilation albums, etc. I would forgo going into so much detail about those (who she collaborated with doesn't come up in the list proper, so why should it come up in the introduction), and mention a larger variety of stuff. Other than that, I'd be happy to support. Drewcifer (talk) 01:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I've added your comments into the lead. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 20:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks good, so I'm happy to support. However, I do have one more language-based suggestion: the lead is very year-heavy. Most of the sentences begin or contain some form of "In 2002", "In 2004", etc. Try to mix it up, ie "A year later", "The following year", "After a two-year hiatus", etc. It will help it read a little less mechanically. Other than that, great work! Drewcifer (talk) 04:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Houston Rockets head coaches

previous FLC (14:33, 7 June 2008)

A little short, but I still think it fulfills the FL criteria.—Chris! _ct 23:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• In the image caption of Rudy Tom, it says, "Rudy Tomjanovich is statistically the Rockets' most successful coach." Can you make it more specific more the readers? How bout, "Rudy Tomjanovich has the most wins as a Rockets' coach." or something similar. It shouldn't be most successful since he doesn't have the highest winning percentage.
• Key to 100%.

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• I think this link would be useful to supoprt the basketball-reference link. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
• In the prose, link 1994 and 1995 to 1994 and 1995. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 10:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
• In the table, link "Championships" to NBA Finals. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
• In the prose, link expansion team. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Done all—Chris! _ct 21:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Oppose/Review by SRX

• However, after four losing seasons,[2] the team was sold to a group of investors based in Houston.[1] - it's not grammatically correct to start a sentence with "However."
• I reviewed a list like this before, main reason I oppose; something about the coaches history should be added, like who was the first one, which one led the Rockets to a NBA title? It should also be explained how GMs are different from Coaches, and what they do, and their history.S_RX 21:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

With regard to your second point, why do I have to talk about the GMs since this list is about coaches? Also, none of the other coach list talk about the GMs, why should I do that with this list? I don't understand your oppose at all since everything else is easy fix.—Chris! _ct 21:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Fix point 1 and add some words about first coach and the coach who led the Rockets to NBA titles.—Chris! _ct 21:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I confused this with a baseball managers article, sorry. But, if you are going to mention the GM in the lead, it should be in the list itself, if it's not, it should be removed.S_RX 22:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Done, I remove the GM bits.—Chris! _ct 22:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - My review was resolved to comply with WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 22:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Meets all criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Image Comment Image:Rudy.jpg is missing source info. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, what should I do? Should I replace it?—Chris! _ct 05:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Contact User:Eversman, the uploader and ask him to provide information. Alternatively, here is a replacement image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cunni_doing/361065351/. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I contacted the uploader. Also, the flickr image says All rights reserved, are you sure I can upload it?—Chris! _ct 03:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, and I did not look at the license before, so I did not see the "all rights reserved". No, the image cannot be used. If there is no free alternative, I guess we have to wait for the uploader to add in information or go without an image. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, if no free alternative is available, I'll used a picture of the team arena just like other head coach lists. Thanks—Chris! _ct 03:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I've replaced the image with another that has proper source info. A bot removed the previous one.—Chris! _ct 21:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Santa Clara VTA Light Rail stations

I am nominating this list because I think it fulfills the FL criteria.—Chris! _ct 19:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority light rail is a light rail transit system serving the Santa Clara County in the U.S. state of California." "serving"-->that serves.
• "The system is operated by the Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority, who oversees public transit services in the county." "who"-->which.
• "In 1988 and 1990, the system extended south of Civic Center toward Downtown San Jose and Tamien station." Shouldn't it be "was extended"?
• "In December 1999, the system underwent another extension with the completion of the Tasman West section, began services to Mountain View." "began services to Mountain View" needs a connector.
• "The system extended to I-880/Milpitas in 2001 and to Hostetter station in 2004 as part of the Tasman East extension. " Needs a "was" before "extended".
• "The system currently operated 62 stations. 38 stations are served by the Mountain View – Winchester line, 36 are served by the Alum Rock – Santa Teresa line, and 3 are served by the Ohlone/Chynoweth–Almaden line."-->The system currently operated 62 stations, of which 38 stations are served by the Mountain View – Winchester line, 36 are served by the Alum Rock – Santa Teresa line, and 3 are served by the Ohlone/Chynoweth–Almaden line.
• "Six are located in Sunnyvale while five are in Mountain View." "while"-->and, add "stations" after "six". Dabomb87 (talk) 18:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Done all —Chris! _ct 19:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment

• VTA light rail is one of the largest light rail systems in the United States in terms of ridership. - Ranked #14, I don't believe this sentence is accurate. To the contrary, I believe VTA light rail has been roundly ridiculed for its anemic ridership. --Millbrooky (talk) 16:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Sentence removed—Chris! _ct 17:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
• Serving over 32,978 passengers a day - VTA light rail serves more passengers than the exact number of passengers it serves? While technically correct as the latest APTA report says VTA is serving 34,000 passengers per day, perhaps it would be better to just say 32,000 or "as of FY 2007." --Millbrooky (talk) 17:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Done—Chris! _ct 02:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Support - Comments addressed. --Millbrooky (talk) 21:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks pretty good - Comments

• The first two sentences are slightly difficult to read with their repetitions of "Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority" - there is a third "Santa Clara" too. You also have "light rail" twice close together in the first sentence. Perhaps you could have some other facts (e.g. total system length) as a second sentence to break it up a bit.
• The system history summary is pretty good but what does jar is describing a new extension as being built "toward X station". To me it gives the impression that the station was sitting there waiting for the light rail tracks to be built to it. I think that simply replacing "toward" by "to" would work.
• "The system currently operated 62 stations" - should be "operates" or more simply "has" as I am not sure that a system can operate things.
• In the table I don't think that the "Lines" column should be sortable as quite a lot of cells contain more than one element.
• It would be nice if, in the photograph captions, the station depicted was linked to. I am not sure that "station platform" and "tramway tracks" need to be linked. The latter one is especially confusing as the system is described as "light rail" and not a tramway. The phraseology "the X station" also seems strange to me but I think that this is more of an AmEng thing.

Boissière (talk) 21:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Done—Chris! _ct 02:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks Good - Support Boissière (talk) 21:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Lambda Literary Awards winners and nominees for science fiction, fantasy and horror

List is comprehensive and referenced, and better looking and easier to neavigate than even the official lists. Hoping to make it part of a featured topic.Yobmod (talk) 15:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Lambda Literary Awards (also known as the "Lammies") are awarded yearly by the US-based Lambda Literary Foundation to published works which celebrate or explore LGBT themes." "which"-->that.
• "The category for speculative fiction works has changed a number of times" "a number of times"-->"several times".
• "In early years the genre categories" Could you be more specific than "early years"?
• Per WP:COLORS, you need to use symbols with colors to represent the information in the key.
• "Samuel R. Delany has additionally won the lifetime achivement award twice." "additionally"-->also.
• "Nicola Griffith also holds the record for most nominations, while and Perry Brass has the most nominations without winning, having been a losing finalist four times." Dabomb87 (talk) 08:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed all the grammar ones per the suggestions.

For the colours, i simply wrote the colour name next to the legend (they were already described in the preceding sentence.) Is that now ok?

Thanks!Yobmod (talk) 18:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

For the colours, you need symbols (such as * ¤ ‡ †) also. Writing the name of the colors does not help color blind readers. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

But the colours only enforce the info given by bolding the winners and writing win/nom. Colourblind readers would have no trouble with it: This is not a case of colours being used as the only method to distinguish the winners. Plus colourblind people can distinguish between lavender and white. Even blind readers will have the info, due to it being written out. What would be the benefit of using symbols as a 4th way? or am i missing something on the guideline page (i'd never seen it before, but don't see any requirment for symbols with colours). btw I changed the grey to green to give better contrast, if that's a problem. I want to get it right this time, so the colours work for the other awards lists i'm working onYobmod (talk) 10:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

"Ensure that colour is not the only way used to convey important information." (from WP:COLORS). For the rows with the green background color (which is much better than grey by the way), use a symbol. For the rows with white background, don't add any symbol and mention in the legend that the past nominees' rows don't have a symbol. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I see what you are saying; the colors are associated with the text.Dabomb87 (talk) 14:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It promted me to clarify things anyway :-).Yobmod (talk) 14:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Move the key to above the table. I almost missed it. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I wrote a sentence pointing out the key, with an internal link, is that ok, or should i still move it? I think it is a bit big to have on top, but is only 30 second job to move if you still think it is needed.Yobmod (talk) 14:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it is that big. Readers shouldn't have to scroll all the way down to find out those abbreviations mean. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i mildly disagree, cos 99% of readers will have no interest in the official category titles, and the abreviations are intuitive, but i moved it to avoid any confusion, as suggested. I also made the colours into a table to make it even clearer (as there was a load of spare space beside the key). Thanks!Yobmod (talk) 08:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, meets criteria and all my concerns addressed.Dillypickle (talk) 16:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, User:Dillypickle (talk)

Comments from Dillypickle (talk · contribs) Comments Is there no free picture available? "...United States in the year current to the award..."

current or prvious year? this is not consistant.

Link names the first time: "...and Perry Brass has..." Dillypickle (talk) 11:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I added a fair use image of the medal design. I could include a photo of the actual medal, but it is embossed metal that is difficult to see anything of.

Linked first use of names (but left repeated entries in the table linked).

Year is current to the award, but previous to the ceremony year. I clarified the lead.

All done.Yobmod (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment Ref 2 and the general ref deadlinked according to this. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Weird! For me too. I re-found the page and updated the links, and they work again - must have been a tiny change in the url, cos looked the same to me, and my bookmark for the page still worked somehow.Yobmod (talk) 08:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

While i was there, i also de-bolded the winners, expanded the LGBT accronym and ordered the titles that start with an article, per comments on another list. Now i'm sorting the authors by surname.Yobmod (talk) 09:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of premiers of New Brunswick

Gary King (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Support from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "and thirty-one after Canadian Confederation" Should this have a the?
• All the references that are PDF's need the format=PDF field added to them. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

All done. Confederation should not be preceded by "the". Gary King (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment Please get an experienced image reviewer (i.e. User:David Fuchs to verify that all images are properly licensed/attributed. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• I remember back in the day when I was known for something other than doing image checks... anyhow:
  • With no author, PD-old does not apply for Image:Edward Barron Chandler.jpg; another free license might.
  • Image:Walter Edward Foster.jpg-no author or date, license thus invalid
  • Image:Peter Veniot as Postmaster General.jpg-does not specific why it is public domain according to the terms of the license.

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 21:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Did #1 and #3, removed #2. Gary King (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, then, it looks good. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 21:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of premiers of Manitoba

Gary King (talk) 21:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Manitoba uses a unicameral"—"uses"-->has.
• "The Premier acts as Manitoba's head of government and the Queen of Canada acts as its head of state and is represented by the Lieutenant Governor of Manitoba." I think there should be a comma somewhere here.
• "Manitoba has had 20 Premiers since the province was formed, of which six were non-partisan, six were Progressive Conservatives, five were Liberals, and three were New Democrats." "20"-->twenty.
• "Prior to that"-->Before that...
• Overlinking of elected and re-elected.
• Ref 5 needs a publication date—See the "date modified" text at the very bottom of the web page. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

All done. The elected and re-elected links each link to their respective election articles. Gary King (talk) 03:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment Please get an experienced image reviewer (i.e. User:David Fuchs to verify that all images are properly licensed/attributed. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review - Gary asked me to look at the images in this article:

• Image concerns addressed. Awadewit (talk) 22:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:John Bracken.jpg - It would be best to have a link to this source.
• Image:JohnNorquay.jpg - It would be best to fill in the ID number, so we can link directly to the source. We also need the author and date information.

These issues should be relatively easy to fix. Awadewit (talk) 22:23, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I've added a URL for the first image. I think they only mail images out; images are not available on the website. Can I remove the second image until the website's search feature works again? Gary King (talk) 22:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

The search feature works today. Awadewit (talk) 22:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I have filled out as much as I could find. Gary King (talk) 22:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I added the ID number. Awadewit (talk) 22:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought what was already there was the ID number. Gary King (talk) 23:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Governors of Arizona

Previous FLC

Still think it's one of the best works I have here, and I think many who opposed last time simply didn't come back around to address my responses. --Golbez (talk) 23:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• I still do not like the use of fractions in the number of terms served. I also prefer darker colors than the pastel to represent political parties. See Indiana gubernatorial election, 2008#Results for better colors (within Template:Election box candidate with party link). Reywas92^Talk 20:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I like those colors better; the pastels are useful for having text over them, but since this doesn't have that anymore, the bolder colors can be used. Do you suggest something like List of Presidents of the United States' showing the term number instead of the fractions? --Golbez (talk) 02:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Keep in mind that doing that will render the table unsortable, FYI. --Golbez (talk) 02:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
      • I did a "proof of concept" by listing each term, rather than listing how many terms, and IMO it was quite ugly and clunky (And required extensive use of rowspans, which will confuse screen readers and possibly regular readers) What's wrong with the fractions? --Golbez (talk) 22:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - In the state governors table, the sort function does not work properly for the governor's name or for the "Took office" and "Party" columns. (I wish I could see why it's not working, but the coding looks fine...) --Orlady (talk) 19:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Wow, all sorting except for Left Office is broken. That's a head scratcher, I'll bring it up with the tech folks. It was working a few weeks ago when I implemented it, that's for sure. --Golbez (talk) 21:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Never mind, I found the problem; "colspan=2" in the Name section, to include the party bar, confused the sorting. It's fixable, but ugly. --Golbez (talk) 21:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Congratulations for finding the source of problem. I don't think the solution is ugly -- it looks fine to me. --Orlady (talk) 22:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Thanks for pointing it out. I still prefer having the color bar flush with the name. ;) --Golbez (talk) 22:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• Still surprised not to see the flag anywhere
  • Why do we need a picture of the flag? We have one of the governor. Does every article regarding the state or government of Arizona require a flag, regardless of its relevance? --Golbez (talk) 01:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
• Having the notes section smack dab in the middle of the list violates MOS:SECTIONS and WP:LAY#Standard appendices. I understand that other FLs have this issue, too, but IMO that's inappropriate.
  • I'll examine changing this. --Golbez (talk) 01:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Done, but I still don't like it. :P --Golbez (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
• My opinion (and this isn't a show-stopper at all) is that pictures to the right of tables looks great, but having them to the right of tables and text doesn't work. But that's simply opinion.
  • I'll toy with this. --Golbez (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Support: The MOS:SECTIONS thing bugs the heck out of me, but major concerns have been dealt with, and I seem to be in the minority on that point, so I'll throw in a weak support. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks. --Golbez (talk) 01:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Weak oppose. Assuming a half term is shorter than a whole one, the terms does not sort poroperly. Sorting gave me 1,2,3, then the fractions.Yobmod (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

• Fixed. --Golbez (talk) 17:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

and struck my oppose. Guess i'll weak support now (weak cosi've only done a cursory review).Yobmod (talk) 18:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

If the notes that make specific claims (eg: he dies, he took job elsewhere) are cited, i'll strike the weak too (not becaue they are controversial, but for making finding the info easier).

Everything that is not easily visible in the primary resources (mainly, the NGA link) is specifically cited. If I had a cite for every "he died", then there would be a lot of duplicate "he died"s. Now, if the primary sources contradicted, I would of course make a note of that and cite things - but in this case, they don't. --Golbez (talk) 16:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Is there a reason for bolding parts of those 3 citations? It makes them stick out a lot, can they not be italic or normal text?Yobmod (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Not my fault; blame the people who designed {{cite encyclopedia}}. --Golbez (talk) 16:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Also agree that a flag would look good (not necessarily instead of lead image, but in addition, if there is room). Also, is there not a footer navbox for arizona or arizona politics? 2 footers is not too much to have at all, and would autocolapse themselves, and would certainly make it easier for interested readers.Yobmod (talk) 10:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Still see no place for a flag that would look any better than "We just threw a flag on this article without regard for context". As for a footer, I agree; I've added an AZ footer. It's not great, but until there's an AZ government footer, it works. --Golbez (talk) 16:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Gary King (talk · contribs)

• Some references need to be formatted.
• "Martin, [1] (Arizona" – the URL has no title
• "Robinson, William Morrison (1941). "april+2-5"+1860+owings&as_brr=0&ei=Wa7ySKDaMZX8ygTCvcnZAw&pgis=1 Justice in Grey: A History of the Judicial System of the Confederate States of America. Harvard " – busted reference?

Gary King (talk) 20:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright I went ahead and fixed these myself. They were broken for reasons that might not be obvious at first glance. Gary King (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• I removed periods from notes that were non-sentences.
• I found a few "state secretary of state" and shortened them to "state secretary". I hope that's still correct.
  • I changed them to "secretary of state", since I don't need to specify it was the state one. --Golbez (talk) 07:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
• Besides the above, though...
• The page provides a useful history lesson, but it needs references.
• The "Most of the area that became Arizona was originally part of the Mexican territory of Alta California." paragraph
  • I trimmed the first sentence ; part of it may or may not have been part of Santa Fe de Nuevo Mexico, so rather than complicate matters, I just said it was part of Mexico. Graf sourced.
• "Arizona Territory was formed on February 24, 1863" paragraph
  • Sourced.
• For the "for" note below the list, perhaps use this instead, and maybe it should be placed at the top of the page instead: {{for|governors of the same region before the Arizona Territory was formed|List of Governors of New Mexico}}
  • That would be a bad place, because it offers no context. Hatnotes need to disambiguate based directly on the name of the article; for example, if there were an article on Arizona Territory's governors, then a hatnote might be useful. But in that case, a certain context is required to let the reader know *why* we care about New Mexico Territory's governors. Also, it's an effort to keep all of these lists looking similar; for something like Colorado, we'd have some very crowded hatnotes (Governors of Kansas, New Mexico, Utah, Idaho, and Texas). --Golbez (talk) 07:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 20:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay Support Gary King (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Denver Broncos head coaches

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 08:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review from SRX

Comments by SRX

• The team began playing in 1960 as a charter member of the American Football League, and joined the NFL as part of the AFL-NFL Merger. - the American Football League should have the acronym in parenthesis, since it is mentioned in the part about the merger.
• Mike Shanahan is the franchise's all-time leader for the most regular season games coached (208), the most regular season game wins (130), the highest winning percentage in the regular season (.625), and the most playoff game wins, with eight. - I think it should be consistent, so instead of saying with eight write it as (8) like in the other statistics.
• Shanahan, with Dan Reeves, are tied for the most playoffs games coached (13). - how about Shanahan and Dave Reeves are tied for...

Since I was talking about Shanahan on the two sentences before, that is why I putted with Reeves. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Jack Faulkner, John Ralston, Red Miller, and Reeves have been named United Press International (UPI) NFL Coach of the Year, at least once with the Broncos. - there should be a the before the UPI.--S_RX 22:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE the ones without comments. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - My review was resolved to meets the WP:WIAFL criteria.--S_RX 22:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "A running total of the number of coaches of the Broncos. Thus any coach who has two or more separate terms as head coach is only counted once." Comma after "Thus".

In every single article that follows the format, "List of (team) head coaches", they all say exactly the same thing. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

That means they all need commas also. See List of Oklahoma City Thunder head coaches#Notes. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought you said before Thus. Laugh out loud, my mistake. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• "AFL-NFL Merger" "Merger" should not be capitalized.
• "Shanahan is also the only Broncos head coach to ever win a Super Bowl, with two."
• "Filchock, Faulkner, Mac Speedie, Jerry Smith, Ralston, and Miller have all spent their entire coaching careers with the Broncos."

Why? It makes sense the way it is. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but it is unnecessary wording. "All" does not tell us anything that we didn't already know. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE

• "Invesco Field at Mile High has been the home of the Broncos since 2001." The image caption doesn't need this linked, it is already linked in the article.

Anything in WP:MOS that declines that? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:OVERLINK. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE

• "The franchise' first head coach was Frank Filchock"—"franchise'"-->franchise's
• "Speedie, Ray Malavasi, Miller, and Shanahan have all been assistant coaches with the Broncos before they became head coaches with the Broncos."

Why? It makes sense the way it is. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but it is unnecessary wording. "All" does not tell us anything that we didn't already know. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE

Dabomb87 (talk) 00:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• DONE all without comments. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review from Rlendog

Comments

• I think "Shanahan, with Dan Reeves, are tied for the most playoffs games coached (13)" would read better as "Shanahan and Dan Reeves are tied for the most playoffs games coached (13)".

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

• I think the comment for Red Miller should note that he won the AFC championship in 1977.

I concur. The reason I didn't put the AFC championship on is because there is no list called, List of AFC champions. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Is such a Wikipedia list necessary to include the information in the comments section of the table? The Red Miller page on Pro Football Reference [20] provides a reliable source, and if you want to link to something until the list in question is created you can link to the Super Bowl XII page. Rlendog (talk) 02:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Another reason is that I am trying to be consistent with the other NFL head coaches lists. If you truly want me to add it on, I'll be happy to. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I won't withhold support if you decide not to add that. But I do think this list (and the other NFL coaches lists) should include this information. Rlendog (talk) 19:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 19:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Rlendog (talk) 23:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - All issues resolved. Rlendog (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Kansas City Royals Opening Day starting pitchers

I believe that this list meets the Featured List criteria, similar to other featured lists in this series, such as List of Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Opening Day starting pitchers. Rlendog (talk) 02:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Weak Oppose by SRX - prose issues.

• They play in the American League Central division. - Division of what? It needs to be elaborated that it is the division of the MLB.

• Addressed. Rlendog (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• The Kansas City Royals began play in 1969. - +to before play.

• Done. Rlendog (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Wally Bunker was the Opening Day starting pitcher for the Royals on Opening Day on April 18, 1969, the first game in Royals history. - This is very repetitive. Reword to Wally Bunker was the Royals first Opening Day starting pitcher for their game on April 18, 1969. (same thing stated in less words)

• Done. Rlendog (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• The moved to Royals Stadium, which was subsequently renamed Kauffman Stadium, 1973. - you mean They versus The right?

• Yes. Fixed. Rlendog (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Wally Bunker, Dick Drago, Steve Busby, Larry Gura and Gil Meche have each made two Opening Day starts for the Royals. - you already mentioned Bunker above, just mention him by his last name.

• Done. Rlendog (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Bud Black, with two wins as an Opening Day starting pitcher, is the only Royals pitcher who has won more than one Opening Day start. - again, you already mentioned him before, just mention him by his last name. Also, the with two wins.. sentence should be reworded to who has two wins...

• Done. Rlendog (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Only two Royals pitchers had more than one loss in Opening Day starts: Kevin Appier with four losses and Dennis Leonard with three. - colon is not right here, it should be a comma.

• Done. Rlendog (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Dennis Leonard (1980) and Bud Black (1985) were the Opening Day starting pitchers when the Royals played in the World Series, and they had a combined Opening Day record of 1–1. - once again with the last names, they have been mentioned already. Also, instead of having the dates in parenthesis, it can be stated after their names respectively, which gives the same meaning.

Fixed. Rlendog (talk) 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 22:17, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - My review was resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 22:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Wally Bunker was the Royals' first Opening Day starting pitcher on April 18, 1969." Against whom?

• Added "against the Minnesota Twins". Rlendog (talk) 02:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Kevin Appier has most Opening Day starts for the Royals, with seven, including six in a row from 1992 to 1997." Missing a word.

• Revised to "Kevin Appier has the most Opening Day starts for the Royals, with seven, including six such starts in a row from 1992 to 1997". Rlendog (talk) 02:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 00:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments (Killervogel5)

• Per BOLDFACE, do not use boldface for emphasis in the table. Some other method can be found (suggestion: italics or the § symbol (with superscript, preferably)) for indicating the home stadium.

• Changed to italics. Rlendog (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• Per MOSNUM, every number in this statement "They have played 18 Opening Day games there, and their starting pitchers have 7 wins and 7 losses with 4 no decisions. This makes their record at home in Opening Day games 7 wins and 8 losses with 6 no decisions. In Opening Day games on the road, their starting pichers have a record of 4 wins and 10 losses with 5 no decisions.[1]" needs to be written out as a figure rather than with numerals, except for 18.

• Done. Rlendog (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Meche has made the most recent two Opening Day starts for the Royals, in 2007 and 2008.[1]" Link 2007/2008 to the appropriate MLB season.

• Done. Rlendog (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• "The Royals played in the World Series championship games in 1980 and 1985, winning in 1985.[4]" - Championship games is unnecessary, remove. 1985 should not be linked twice. Link both years about the World Series to the World Series article; it's ambiguous in the current format.

• Done. Rlendog (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 16:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions. I believe I have now addressed them. Rlendog (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 18:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment

• "They play in the American League Central division." --> "They play in the American League Central division."

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the suugestion. Done. Rlendog (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of premiers of the Northwest Territories

Gary King (talk) 16:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment — sources look good. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
• I understand why you included commissioners during the periods when the Territories didn't have an elected legislature, but I'm not sure if I agree with the inclusion of the Lieutenant-Governors. The LGs are vice-regal positions, and if you are going to mix up viceroys with heads of government, the list should probably be under a different name. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 18:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

  I could move them to another list. What do you suggest the list should be named? Gary King (talk) 18:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

  This list should start with the head of the first council, if there was one, not the first council viceroy. If there was no head, we should start with the head of the first assembly, which I guess would be Robert Brett. The lieutenant-governors should be in List of lieutenant-governors of Northwest Territories, which itself should probably be merged with Commissioners of Northwest Territories. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 20:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

  It's actually kind of hard to tell who was a government leader and who was representative of the crown. This will take some further research. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 16:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

  I figured as much. I will leave it be for now. Gary King (talk) 16:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

  From the looks of the sources, the people labelled as commissioners and premiers were just that. Therefore, this list should only include Frederick W. A. G. Haultain and the post 1980 premiers. The rest of these people should be moved to Commissioners of Northwest Territories, as the two titles are very different in their formal placement within the government, even if they were performing the same jobs. This would reduce the list to 11 items, which hopefully is still enough to make it featured. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 21:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

  Ah, I see. There will be a gap between the first Premier and the rest then. Should I place a note between them, and how should it be displayed? Gary King (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• One change I would like to see is the order of the table. Rather than Image, number, name, the picture and name should be together with an order of Number, image, name. If this is done then I Support. Very good prose. Reywas92^Talk 01:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

  Could you clarify that by showing me visually how you would like to see it? The reason I've chosen this formatting is because the other lists in the group are in this format; you can see the other lists here: Template:Canadian First Ministers. Gary King (talk) 03:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "the Canadian Confederation" No "the", per your comment in another FLC.
• "Since the Northwest Territories has a consensus government, the Premier is elected by and from the members of the Legislative Assembly, and are not divided into parties." "Since"-->Because.
• "The Northwest Territories has had several Lieutenant Governors, Commissioners, and Premiers as its head of government since 1870. It was led by three of Manitoba's Lieutenant Governors, two of its own Lieutenant Governors, two Chairmen of the Executive Committee, and ten appointed governing commissioners." I think the first sentence is redundant and vague because the second sentence provides the same information as the first and goes into more detail.
• "Prior to 1994"-->Before 1994...
• Ref 3 needs the format=PDF field entered. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 03:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment Please get an experienced image reviewer (i.e. User:David Fuchs to verify that all images are properly licensed/attributed. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Notice - I just did a major rewrite to the intro and took out half of the names on the list, so those who supported before might want to double-check that I didn't ruin anything. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 03:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Image review - Images check out. Awadewit (talk) 20:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of men's major championships winning golfers

This list is an overview of the Major championships in Golf lists that I have been nominating recently. Hopefully this list will from the umbrella of the topic for a featured topic in the not so distant feature. Thanks in advance for you comments. NapHit (talk) 19:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• "The men's major golf championships (majors)" – "The men's major golf championships, also known as majors,"
• "The four competitions are" – "The competitions are" – since "four" is already mentioned earlier
• "recognized" is American spelling I believe, not "recognised", and I think this article should use American spelling since three of the four championships are American.
• "in 1930 the Masters had yet to be established" – "in 1930, the Masters was not yet established"
• "was not at that time considered to be a major" – "was not considered to be a major at that time"
• ", his last major victory being in" – "; his last major victory was at"

Gary King (talk) 17:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments Gary, I have addressed them all NapHit (talk) 17:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Gary King (talk) 20:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The men's major golf championships, also known as majors, are the four most prestigious events in professional golf." According to whom are they the most prestigious events?
• "as of yet, no one has completed this feat, although Tiger Woods has held all four majors at once, a feat recognised as the Tiger Slam."
• "Bobby Jones is recognised as completing a grand slam in 1930" Awkward wording.
• "in 1930, the Masters was not yet to be established"-->in 1930, the Masters had not been established
• "and the PGA Championship was not considered to be a major at that time."
• "Jack Nicklaus holds the record for winning the most majors, winning 18 during his career"-->Jack Nicklaus won 18 majors, more than any other golfer.

Personally I think this sentence is fine the way it is, and the one your suggesting is in my eyes worse than the current sentence. NapHit (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Walter Hagen is third with 11 majors,[5] including a record five PGA Championships, a record Hagen holds jointly with Jack Nicklaus."-->Walter Hagen is third with 11 majors. He and Jack Nicklaus have both won the most PGA Championships with 5.
• "Nicklaus also shares the record for the most U.S. Open victories, with Willie Anderson, Bobby Jones and Ben Hogan, each winning this competition four times." The first comma is not needed.
• "While the U.S. Amateur Championship and British Amateur Championship were once considered to be majors" "While"-->Although. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I've addressed all your comments, cheers NapHit (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Milwaukee Bucks head coaches

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/skilesc01.html deadlinks

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool.

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

• Years in the lead should either all be linked or none should be linked.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• "The franchise won their only NBA championship in the 1971 NBA Finals while coached by the franchise's first coach, Larry Costello." → I suggest instead "The franchise won its only NBA championship under the leadership of its first coach, Larry Costello." to fix some of the redundancy issues that sentence has.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c]

• Desperately needs an image. Use the arena if you can't find anything more appropriate, but check Flickr too.

The arena image looks terrible, and I don't know how to request Flickr photos or which ones are copyrighted. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• If you are going to lead with the sentence "There have been 16 head coaches for the Milwaukee Bucks franchise," then "head coaches for the Milwaukee Bucks" needs to be bold and unlinked. I would suggest leading the article thus:

"The Milwaukee Bucks are an American professional basketball franchise based in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, playing in the Central Division of the Eastern Conference in the National Basketball Association (NBA). The team has played their home games at the Bradley Center since 1988.[1] The Bucks are currently owned by Herb Kohl, with John Hammond as their general manager. Since the team was formed in 1968, there have been 16 head coaches for the franchise."

Just copied your version onto the article. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 18:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I added the arena image for the time being; hopefully a better one can be found eventually, but it works for now. Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 00:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review from SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• The Milwaukee Bucks are an American professional basketball franchise based in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, playing in the Central Division of the Eastern Conference in the National Basketball Association (NBA). - link to basketball?
• Don Nelson is the franchise's all-time leader in regular season games coached, regular season games won, playoff games coached, and playoff games won. - How about you give us the exact statistics?--S_RX 02:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE ALL -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• Don Nelson is the franchise's all-time leader in regular season games coached, regular season games won, playoff games coached, and playoff games won, with 884, 540, 88, and 42 respectively. - this would be better worded with the statistics in parenthesis next to the statistic.S_RX 03:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to satisfy the FL Criteria.--S_RX 14:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Meets all criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of One Piece video games

• First FLC ended with 0 Supports and 0 Opposes.
• Second FLC ended with 3 Supports and 0 Opposes.

-- Goodraise (talk) 10:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support, per comments from last nomination. Why did it fail?Tintor2 (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't know. I couldn't tell from the edit summaries. -- Goodraise (talk) 23:13, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment - the reason this FLC failed before was because of the concern based on the tables, as it was suggested that it be discussed at WT:VG to make a new table that can be sorted and more properly organized, I supported the previous 2 FLC's, but this problem needs to be resolved.--S_RX 02:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - table issue is resolved from what I see below.--S_RX 01:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Support My issues were resolved from the previous FLC, and as long as the table issue is resolved, this list is ready for promotion. Dabomb87 (talk) 05:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comments: The list looks like a good start and is close to FL status. Here are a few things that stood out to me.

  Lead

  • The first sentence seems a bit miss leading to me; mainly because I associated "One Piece" to a manga/anime series. I would tweak it to say "The One Piece video games series is published by..."
    • Done. -- Goodraise (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Another minor tweak. Feels redundant and just sounds weird to me: "The gGames of the One Piece series have been released..."
    • Done. -- Goodraise (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

  List

  • I think I understand the comment about empty space now. However, I think this is a result of the content rather than the format. A sortable table won't use the space much better.
    • Are there any other interesting tidbits about the specific games? Did one introduce something new and different to the series? Does one have any interesting fact about its development?
      • I don't know. I didn't even play the games. Most of the games don't even have an article of their own. So there's no easy way of drawing information from. -- Goodraise (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Also, I think the publisher and developer comments can be combined into one statement. This will give the sentences more length and reduce some of the empty space to the right.
      • Done. -- Goodraise (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
    • If need be you can remove the {{-}} template to cut down on empty space too. Some editors don't like them, but I don't think they're a problem.
      • Removed most of them. I only added them in the first place to mirror the appearance of List of Castlevania titles. -- Goodraise (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Why is Battle Stadium not just a "Related game"? I remember it featuring characters and elements in a basic manner like the Jump Star games.

Hope these comments help. The list is looking good and I'll be happy to support once these issues are addressed. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC))

I don't know what you mean by "basic manner", but the "O." in "Battle Stadium D.O.N" stands for "One Piece", the "D." for "Dragon Ball", and the "N" for "Naruto". The playable characters and stages, like the title, are close to equally shared among the franchises. While Jump Ultimate Stars and Jump Super Stars feature characters from a wide variety of sources, like Super Smash Bros., Battle Stadium only draws from these three, more like X-Men vs. Street Fighter. However, that's just my subjective way of sorting the games and I wouldn't mind changing it, if this explaination is not convincing. -- Goodraise (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, I didn't notice your question. I guess I've just always looked at the games (D.O.N. and Jump Stars) as the same type. Mainly because they are games focused on Shonen Jump characters with no real plot elements from any one series. The main difference I see is that DON focuses on just three series instead of 20+. I think a combining them into a single section titled "Other titles" would simplify things. I would also add details in the notes sections about what specifically relates them. Maybe number of characters, mention there are stages based on the anime, etc. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC))

• Done. (Don't worry about replying late. I did not expect a reply until I was done with the other issues. At that point I would have left you a message. Unfortunately, my hands are a bit fuller right now, than they were during the first two FLCs. This list has been up here for so long now...) -- Goodraise (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Further comments:

  Citations

  • I noticed there are a good number of references for some non-controversial content. I'd say two refs are perfectly fine and that some of the first party sources don't add anything extra to the list.
    • With the exception of reference [2] I used references I already had for everything they covered. That was in the early stages of that article. At that point I did not care about the visual appeal. Since then, as removing them is a lot easier than putting them back in, I left them where they are. Do you think I should remove excessive references? -- Goodraise (talk) 22:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I tweaked the placement of citations to cut down on some of the excess, specifically the publisher/developer info. I did about half of the article as an example.
    • Done. (With 2 exceptions related to 2nd next issue.) -- Goodraise (talk) 23:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I would argue that if a game was released on a single platform, then a citation isn't that necessary; the citation of the release date normally has that info anyway. But that's just me and it is not a deal breaker by any means.
    • Left it as is for the moment. As long as it's only one reviewer suggesting this, I'd rather not have to put it back later. -- Goodraise (talk) 23:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

  Content

  • For One Piece: Pirates' Carnival, I think the discrepancy between the two publishers (Bandai and Namco Bandai) is because the game was released in North American after March 31, 2006 when Namco and Bandai merged. I think this should be clarified in the notes and the lead. Something like, "Most of the games were originally published by Bandai. Following the merger of Namco and Bandai in March 2006, the series has been published under the Namco Bandai name."
    • Now, this is a bit tricky. I've carefully (maybe too carefully) tried not to do original research. Most of the games were released by Bandai Games, which was later renamed to Namco Bandai Games. The sources however don't refer to it under either name. They say Bandai (which still exists as a subsidiary of Namco Bandai Holdings) or Namco Bandai (which could mean either Namco Bandai Games or Namco Bandai Holdings). So instead of deciding which company a source is actually refering to, I only copied whatever name they used. - More generally speaking: In the opening sentence of the lead, I said the games were "published by subsidiaries of Namco Bandai Holdings". That way I don't have to use words such as "most", because all the companies: Bandai, Bandai Games, Namco Bandai Games, and even Banpresto fall into that category. I am not sure if the average reader of the list wants to be informed in such detail about the Namco Bandai Group's inner structure. But if it is desired, then I can elaborate, no problem. -- Goodraise (talk) 23:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Other than these small issues, I'd say the list has shaped up nicely. Keep up the good work. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC))

I think the extra refs amount to overkill and can be distracting. One Piece: Grand Battle! 3 for example. My eyes are drawn to the refs instead of the content.

Now that you mention it, I think explaining the merger is unnecessary and may confuse more than it informs.

Other than the refs issue, the list looks good. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 05:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC))

Fixed. I removed 30 citations from only 3 title entries. I suppose it was a bit much. -- Goodraise (talk) 06:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Support: The list has definitely improved and my main concerns have been addressed. Though I think the article still has some minor room for improvement here and there. But I still believe it meets criteria in its current form. Good job. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC))

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Diamond Rio discography

I have been working on this article for a few days now. After getting comments and suggestions from Jennavecia, TenPoundHammer, and Matthewedwards, I (and they) believe that it is FL worthy. I worked on this article to supplement the article Diamond Rio, which is a GA. Xclamation point 00:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Weak oppose

• All charts need to be referenced by a reliable source

The Canadian Country chart needs to be referenced. And references should be added for the US charts in the compilations section. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 05:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

fixed Xclamation point 23:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Can the US references be more specific? -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 21:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I fixed them. Xclamation point 22:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• The publisher is missing from most of the references
  • fixed Xclamation point 02:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Why is Billboard in italics in some placed but not others? It's a magazine so it should be in italics. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 05:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed again. Xclamation point 17:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• Guest contributions → Other appearances
  • fixed Xclamation point 18:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• U.S. → US
  • fixed Xclamation point 18:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Add catalog numbers for the albums
  • fixed Xclamation point 02:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
• Anymore information on Can't You Tell?
  • fixed Removed it completely, as according to MOS:DISCOG. Xclamation point 18:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• The link in the infobox for compilations doesn't take the reader down to the section
  • fixed Xclamation point 18:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• The other appearances section should be referenced as well
• Please provide direct links to the music video directors. See Cannibaloki's comment below. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 05:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

-- Underneath-it-All (talk) 04:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Still would like to see direct links to the music video directors, but everything else looks good. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 02:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• The discography of Diamond Rio, an American country music band, consists of eight studio albums, thirty-four singles, and two compilations. (The phrase does not add in anything, though I have used several times before, I think you could remove it and add more content to the text.)
  • fixed Xclamation point 19:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Take a look on {{Infobox Artist Discography}}
  • What about it? Xclamation point 18:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Where are the music videos? (See mtv.com for some examples);
  • done Added music videos. Xclamation point 19:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Remove Can't You Tell, is a unreleased album;
  • done Xclamation point 18:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Arista Nashville is overlinked;
  • fixed Xclamation point 18:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Compilation and specialty albums? Compilation albums;
  • fixed Xclamation point 19:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• RIAA what?
  • fixed Xclamation point 18:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• The band not released any video (such as VHS or DVD)?

• No. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 20:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Chart Positions to Peak chart positions
  • fixed Xclamation point 18:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• US Country and US, should be US and US country;
  • fixed Xclamation point 18:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• The references to the Canadian charts does not lead me to anywhere! You have to make reference to each position.
• "In God We Still Trust" > Failed to chart (Yes, I saw the empty space (—) in the table!)
  • fixed Xclamation point 18:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• "One More Day" also peaked at #6 on U.S. Hot Adult Contemporary Tracks.
  • These two notes are removing the beauty of the table (if it have any)
  • fixed Xclamation point 02:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
• Guest contributions or Other appearances?
  • "The following table denotes other contributions made by Diamond Rio for various compilation albums that were not directly related to the band." (Sorry, but I not understand this section)
    • That section is for contributions that they made to soundtracks, compilation albums, etc. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 20:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  • The peak position in this section is useless!
    • Not entirely, given that the "Workin' Man's Blues" cover charted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 20:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose – I think this discography was not yet ready for an FLC. See MOS:DISCOG, for now is only...

Cannibaloki 05:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• http://wm05.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0ifixql5ldae~T1 deadlinks
  • Nothing that a surgery does not resolve.
    • New link: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0ifixql5ldae~T10; Ah, for Allmusic links working correctly, you should click Send to Friend. Cannibaloki 15:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
• Current refs 3, 4, 7, 8, 9 run the publisher into the link title. Better to put the publisher outside the link title.
  • Fixed 3, 4, 7, 8; 9 doesn't have much of a better title. Xclamation point 02:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
• Current ref 5 is in German and should say so in the reference
  • fixed Xclamation point 02:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
• What makes http://lpdiscography.com/d/Rio/rio-sp.htm a reliable source?
  • Nothing!
    • Fixed, no longer a reference. Xclamation point 02:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
• What makes http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/rpm/028020-110.01-e.php?q1=%22diamond+rio&x=0&y=0&sk=97&&&&&PHPSESSID=aok35q2u8cgqitmjd8564esfp4 a reliable source? It needs a publisher also (I suspect it's reliable but need to know who published it)
  • Yes, is a reliable source; X! needs to reference the positions one by one. (published by RPM) Cannibaloki 15:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
    • It's the only source we have for that. The problem is that in order to find the peak, it involves checking every listing and finding the highest. In addition, referencing each position one by one will create about 20 extra similar refs. Xclamation point 03:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Will not just be like, the most important thing is that the references will lead the reader to the point. If you can avoid the search engines, why not do? Hmmm? (The same applies to the Music videos section). To give you less work in the search for references, instead of typing the name "Diamond Hill", use the names of albums and songs. Cannibaloki 05:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Could you clarify that? I seem to have misunderstood what you mean. Xclamation point 11:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• There is no information on Can't You Tell (should it be removed since it wasn't released?), and the band has never released a VHS/DVD compo. I did add a list of the music videos according to CMT and removed the LP Discography source. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 21:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I would remove Can't You Tell from the article. The discography should only contain released albums, etc. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 22:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Weak support – I made few changes, looks a bit better. Cannibaloki 05:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Can you mention the band members' names and instruments in the first paragraph of the lead?
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Counting "Meet in the Middle""-->Including "Meet in the Middle"...
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Diamond Rio has charted a total of thirty-three singles"
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• "These latter three all charted"
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Two of their studio albums (1991's self-titled debut and 1994's Love a Little Stronger) have been certified platinum by the RIAA, while six have been certified gold." "while"-->and.
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• "They have also issued two greatest hits packages, with 1997's "Greatest Hits" package having also been certified platinum."-->They have also issued two greatest hits packages; the "Greatest Hits" (1997) package was certified platinum.
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Top Ten 10" Typo?
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• Spell out what RIAA stands for on its first occurence.
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• Refs 5 and 9 needs a publisher.
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• What are you referencing the information about the Adult Contemporary Charts to?
  • It's referenced to the list of Diamond Rio singles that charted on the AC. If it is better, http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=341&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Hot+Adult+Contemporary+Tracks&ci=3042916&cdi=7763770&cid=09%2F22%2F2001 could be referenced instead. Xclamation point 02:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Diamond Rio has also recorded nine studio albums, including one (2004's Can't You Tell) which was never released." Needs source. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Fixed. I removed the part about Can't You Tell. Xclamation point 02:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Looks good. I don't see any obvious problems here. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 03:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review by SRX [TRUco]

Comments

• Founded in 1984, Diamond Rio released their debut album in 1991. - which is what? where is the wikilink or name?
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 01:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
• Instead of a ? for the unknown mv director, how about spell out unknown.
  • Fixed. Xclamation point 01:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
• There is no source verifying their appearance in 2002, in the appearance section.
  • TPH fixed it. Xclamation point 01:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 00:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to comply with WP:WIAFL.--TRU_CO 23:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comments

1. Carrie Underwood discography is a good example. I've worked on it before.
2. Change it back! Country charts should be in the first column (or before the Hot 100 chart). They are country artists and other discographies all put country chart first.
3. I've fixed some reference, because one simple reference can replace many unuseful ones.
4. Any problem with AC charts? It should be notes only.
5. I've made comments on the talk pages also.

Langdon (talk) 06:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)i7114080

• comments. The album / compilation tables look very squat, with all that info piled into the one "release" box for each. can't some (or all) of that be seperated into seperate columns, eg. a column for release date and others. Then boxes would not look so vertically streched and wouldn't have to have "release date" written out each time. That's exactly what a table is good for! Would weak oppose now, based on layout, but would support if more columns added to those tables.Yobmod (talk) 21:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

• That's the recommended format per MOS:DISCOG actually. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:27, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Ja, but i don't think a proposed guideline should be reason to feature ugly lists. The guideline makes sense for tables that have a lot of chart results, so would be difficult to fit more columns into. In this case it would be senseless to force a (proposed) guideline to the detriment of an article. The AIR disclaimer on the page notwithstanding, the Discog guys seem more interested in creating one-size-fits-all rules, with no recognition that different artists have different outputs, so need different lists. Still opposing on style grounds.Yobmod (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, with a few small notes:

• Why the small font for the info in the album column? Since it's bullet-pointed, the small font doesn't actually make the space any smaller, just the words harder to read.
• "which was a #2 on the country charts" weird passive voice. What about "which peaked at #2 on the country charts." Also, which country charts?

Other than that, looks great. Drewcifer (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes

previous FLC (07:07, 22 August 2008)

The list should meet the criteria now. That's really all there is to say. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 23:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "episode referred" – "episode is referred"
• "Aang sets out to master the his three unlearned elements" – "Aang sets out to master the three unlearned elements"

Gary King (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Done - NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 00:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Checklinks checked out and done - NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 00:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review from SRX [TRUco]

Commments

• Seeing how this is in need of comments.
• Make the three sentences in the series overview one paragraph instead of little ones.
  • It was originally like that, but I split it out to make it easier to read. And it makes it look rather nice, IMO. Are you sure? - NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 01:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes because it is more distracting and is not comprehensive in that format since it is one prose that ties in all together.--TRU_CO 23:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Sigh, whatever.  Done - NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 23:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
• As with the original DVDs, each set contained four episodes on one disc,[14][15][16][17][18] with the exception would be The Complete Book One Collection Box Set, which contained all of the twenty episodes in the season on five discs. - instead of "would be" reword to "of"
  • Done. - NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work}
• Reference 9 should be a footnote not a reference.--TRU_CO 00:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
  •  Not done. I'm not sure how to do this. If anyone else could, that would be excellent. - NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 01:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
    •  Done --haha169 (talk) 04:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - My review was addressed to meet FL standards.--TRU_CO 02:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

support. Is nice to see an episode list that focuses on real world info instead of plot dumps. Couldn't find anything to object to. Was concerned about lack of cites for air dates, but they are in the general references and easy to find on one page, so cites can be left out.Yobmod (talk) 21:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) At one time, we did have cites for air dates, but we removed them and put them in the General References section for two reasons. One was because the table was getting a bit crowded. The other was because previously, it was a mixture of US airdates and international airdates, and removing the cites and converting to US air dates helped standardize the table. - NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 22:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, Great Article!--Elena85 ^{1959 Pacific Hurricane Season} 23:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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Extreme points of Sweden

Modeled on Extreme points of India and Extreme points of Bulgaria, I feel that this article is ready for FL status. This is my first FLC and I am open to any comments and/or improvements. --TheLeftorium 15:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support A well written article based on solid fact that is well cited. The lead section gives a good introduction to the subject. Includes relevant tables and images. Good job! ☺ Spiby ☻ 16:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The extreme points of Sweden include the points" points-->coordinates.
• The Kristianstads Vattenrike Biosphere Reserve article says that it is the lowest point in Sweden, but this article says that it contains the lowest point. Which is it?

It is located in the reserve so I changed it to that in the Kristianstads Vattenrike Biosphere Reserve article.

• Adjectives like "northernmost" should be hyphenated: northern-most, southern-most, etc.
• "It is located in the Scandinavian Mountains chain, in the province of Lapland."
• "The point is at the bottom of what once was Nosabyviken"-->The point is at the bottom of what was once Nosabyviken...
• "The bay was drained in the 1860s by John Nun Milner, an engineer, in order to get more arable land for Kristianstad."
• The last image's caption needs a period at the end.
• PDF files need to have "PDF" entered into the format= field in the citation template.
• What language are the book sources in (ref 8 and the general reference)?
• Refs 9 and 19 need to state what languages they are in. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

All done, thanks! :) TheLeftorium 21:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support Well referenced. Looks good. Can't find a reason to oppose?—Chris! _ct 02:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• Current refs 12, 13, 16, 24 all redirect to the Wikipedia article. You can't reference the article itself as a source.

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note I did not evaluate the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't those refs go to the book, Almqvist & Wiksells stor-atlas, in the references section? Maxim_(talk) 15:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

They do (now that I can see the highlighting), but why do you need to on such a short article? The linking trick is useful when the list of references is so long that people might not find it easily, on this short of an article it's just confusing (at least to me) but it's certainly allowed. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

You're right, I removed the links. --TheLeftorium 17:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support I like the prose. Of course I do, I copyedited it... :p Maxim_(talk) 15:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose because Sweden sucks at hockey Comment Nice work, but is it possible that you could replace the Swedish refs with English ones? It should be okay if you don't, but it would be nice if you could. Also, why are there three citations for each line? If each one covers something specific, then it should be in the appropriate box. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I've searched all over Google and those English references already there were the only ones I could find. As for the three citations, they don't cover anything specific, they're just there because "the more references the better". ;) TheLeftorium 20:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of songs in Guitar Hero World Tour

Another Guitar Hero songlist, this for the most recent Guitar Hero World Tour. Format attempts to follow the previous games' songlists, with a note that the second table will continue to grow as more downloadable content is added so I'm making sure the form is appropriate for this. (As a note, getting this article to FLC is necessary to maintain the Guitar Hero Featured Topic; there's time to make sure this is in place, but there's not much more that can be added structurally to this that I can see.) --MASEM 00:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• What makes http://www.aeropause.com/2008/09/read-a-long-with-nintendo-power-234-november-2008/ a reliable source?
• Current ref 11 (Goldstein ..) is lacking a publisher.
• Current ref 12 (Burg..) is lacking a publisher Also, what makes this a reliable source?

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• • References either fixed (#11) or replaced with more reliable sources. --MASEM 02:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved Review by SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• The game was released in October 2008 on the PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, Wii, and Xbox 360 game consoles. - released where? Only in the U.S. or where?
• There needs to be in the lead some statement as to why the series and this game is so popular, as in other video game lists.
• In the main setlist, one of the songs has a "(unplugged)" - what does this mean?
• In addition to custom songs, players of the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Wii versions will be able to download new licensed songs for the game. - this should be in past tense.
• What source is verifying the release dates for the DC?
• Why is the color for the column names different from the main setlist?
• Because this list has information that will happen in the future, a {{future}} template should be used.--S_RX 23:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  • The popularity of the series is covered in the main game articles and hasn't been a part of the other GH songlists; I did note what reviewers thought of the setlist, however, to give this some mention of impact. The dates for DLC are confirmed with the references on the pack names. Given that there is no indefinite point where the DLC will stop becoming available, I don't know if the {{future}} tag is appropriate - the list is changing, but most of what is stated in the article is fixed. --MASEM 02:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  • And missed one question: there is no specific information of why Nirvana's "About a Girl" is listed as (unplugged), but I can speculate this is the version from the famous "Nirvana Unplugged" show on MTV - I can't confirm that, however, so it simply is listed as it is in the game (though it should be inside the quotes). --MASEM 14:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
    • In response to the first reply, it does not matter, there needs to be some background to show notability of the series, and one way is to show it's popularity or a small sentence or two about the reception of the game itself or series.
    • Were my other technical questions resolved, just curious?S_RX 02:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
      • I added something here for the notability, but I still feel this is out of place on this list article as the series impact is covered in Guitar Hero, and the game itself in Guitar Hero World Tour. All the other technical points you mentioned were addressed. --MASEM 15:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - my review was resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 02:02, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "a series that has accumulated over 23 million units sold and $1.6 billion retail earnings."-->a series of which over 23 million units have been sold and earned $1.6 billion in retail earnings. or something similar, the current version is not worded right.
• "The game was released in October 2008 on the..." Shouldn't it be "for the"?
• "The game is developed"-->was developed.
• "popular rock songs from the 1960s to contemporary hits"-->popular rock songs that date from the 1960s to contemporary hits.
• "songs are distributed into various "gigs" containing" "containing"-->that contain. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
  • All these points have been corrected. --MASEM 16:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of goaltenders who have scored a goal in a National Hockey League game

Did you know that only nine goaltenders have scored a goal in an NHL game? If you didn't, you didn't read the article. (Stolen from David Fuchs). Maxim_(talk) 03:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The article was only created half an hour ago, maybe you should have waited a day or so and allowed some of the regular hockey editors to take a look at it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. It is not stable as other users could possible make changes it to it or correct things, I recommend a copyedit in the prose and a check on tables before coming here, the list should have waited at least 36 hours before FLC.--S_RX 03:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't get why this is a valid comment. If the article has problems, then point out the problems. Whether it was created two minutes ago or a week ago, judge it on its own merits. Many of the lists I've made have practically no editors working in that area, and I'm the one bringing them forward. This simply isn't actionable. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• Another comment The lead says six goalies got a goal by shooting the puck in the net, but there are only five on the list (although it's more than possible I made an error when I made some changes). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  • That would be my mistake, which I fixed. Maxim_(talk) 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)—The article would have benfited greatly from a peer review, where most of the little things would have been addressed. However, since those issues were easy to deal with, I fixed most of them in this edit. I have a couple more things to ask: All issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Martin Brodeur, known for his puckhandling skills" Sounds POV to me.
  • It's a very accepted fact that Brodeur is one of the best ever, perhaps the best ever, puckhandler; do a survey at WT:HOCKEY, and trust me, you'll get a lot of votes for Brodeur. ;-) Also, it's in the third para of his article too. Maxim_(talk) 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Martin Brodeur's second goal, which was credited to him,"—Why is "which was credited to him" needed? Was his first goal not credited to him?
  • He didn't shoot the puck in; it was an own-goal and the last opposing player to touch it was Brodeur. The wording's a bit confusing I agree; what do you suggest? Maxim_(talk) 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
    • How about: "Martin Brodeur's second goal was actually an own goal by the opposing team; however, because Brodeur was the last opposing player to touch the puck, he received credit for the goal. It is the only game-winning goal scored by a goaltender." Dabomb87 (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Done. Maxim_(talk) 15:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• Refs 6, 7, and 8 (http://www.hockeygoalies.org/) deadlink, and what makes that site reliable?
  • The author cites his sources and he has some hockey background. See this about page. However, I've found better, stronger sources for those three ones, and I have replaced them. Maxim_(talk) 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Evgeni Nabokov was the first European goaltender to score a goal." Needs a source (If it comes from the book, an inline citation). Dabomb87 (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  • An inline cite is needed when it's an unusual/controversial or challenged fact; in this case, Nabokov was the first non-Canadian or US goaltender to score, as evidenced by the list, and Russia is in Europe, so I don't see the need for an inline citation. Maxim_(talk) 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• http://www.hockeygoalies.org/bio/nabokove.html deadlinks
• http://www.hockeygoalies.org/bio/hextallr.html deadlinks
• What makes http://www.hockeygoalies.org/bio/brodeurm.html a reliable source?

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• • WRT to the site, the author cites his sources and he has some hockey background. See this about page. However, I've found better, stronger sources for those three ones, and I have replaced them. [copied from my reply to Dabomb.] Maxim_(talk) 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
• Comment All of the entries in the table need to be linked as it is sortable. Gary King (talk) 17:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Fixed. Maxim_(talk) 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

• Per WP:BOLDFACE, you should find some other way to indicate the facts currently shown using bold (additional symbols/colors, italics, etc.).
• Rather than having the notes column, since everyone has a dagger or asterisk, just put them next to the names in the first column.
• The flags in the table aren't necessary, per MOS:FLAG: "Flag icons may be appropriate as a visual navigational aid in tables, infoboxes or lists provided that citizenship, nationality or jurisdiction is intimately tied to the topic at hand, such as comparison of global economic data or reporting of international sporting event results, and cannot be expressed better with text. They should always be accompanied by their country names at least once." Either remove the column or change it to simply the name of the country.
• Any particular reason why the column of dates is right-aligned?
• "There have been two goaltenders to have both scored and earned a shutout in the same game" - "to have both scored" is grammatically incorrect, a split infinitive. Both could be removed, or this sentence can be reordered to remove this. I would also end this sentence with a semicolon to promote continuity with the two goalies who have accomplished this feat.
• I would like to see the legend put into a separate table, a la many of the other sports FLs or FLCs.

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• • All fixed.—Maxim_(talk) 15:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Well done. The only thing that I would change is leaving no spaces between the names and symbols, but otherwise, I support. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I tried with no space, but it looked cramped, so I rved. Thank you very much for your support. Maxim_(talk) 15:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Certainly. Have you tried superscripting the daggers (a la List of Philadelphia Phillies team records)? That helps with cramping a lot. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Looks better with the superscript. :-) Maxim_(talk) 15:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment You know, I liked it better with the seperate notes column because that way you could sort by who scored a goal and who was credited with one. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done--Maxim_(talk) 23:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support Comment: I have to agree with Dabomb87 on the possible POV in the Brodeur image with "known for his puckhandling skills". Although as hockey fans, we would almost all agree on this, the non-hockey fan would simply not know. I remember when I put List of Vancouver Canucks players up for FLC, I got a similar comment with Todd Bertuzzi and "Todd Bertuzzi became known as one of the NHL's premier power forwards". One of those things that doesn't hurt to include, but could hurt if left out. You could always just snag one of the references from the Brodeur article, as there are a few in there. Aside from that, I fixed the dab/dio issue with José Théodore...GoodDay would be so impressed :) – Nurmsook! ^talk... 03:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done--Maxim_(talk) 23:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

One more thing, I think the key should be moved to before the table, like we have on most other FL articles. This would improve the flow, as the reader won't have to skip the table to get to the key, and then go back to the table. Instead, they would read the key first, then continue on to the table. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 17:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

LarRan moved it for some reason. I've a partial revert of that.--Maxim_(talk) 23:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment original author removed the {{when}} tags I added to sentences which need dates, rather than addressing the problem. Prose isn't great. Modest Genius ^talk 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

It's the list, there's no point in {{when}} tags, they mess up with the flow. I've asked Risker to go over the prose, although she is busy atm, this is not a huge article, so she'll probably handle within a few days.--Maxim_(talk) 23:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

• Yet another comment I'd like to see a bit added to the lead about why a goalie scoring is so rare and notable. Sure it's obvious to us, but it wouldn't hurt for those not familiar with hockey. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Done.--Maxim_(talk) 23:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, now the hard part is framing the sentences so that they are not POV or ambiguous:
• "Scoring a goal into the opposing team's net is very challenging for goaltenders, since it must be scored into an empty net, six feet wide, from the other end of the rink, with sufficient trajectory and speed to beat the defenders. A goaltender cannot cross the centre red line, thus they cannot get close enough to the opposing goaltender to have a chance to score when the net is not empty." Issues:

• "very challenging" I understanding that it is hard to say why goaltenders' goals are rare without some slightly non-neutral language, so I will let "challenging" go. However, can we do away with "very"?
• "must be scored into an empty net"—The way this worded, it sounds like a rule that goaltenders can only score into an empty net.
• "centre red line, thus they cannot get close enough" Comma to semicolon, comma after thus. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

All fixed.--Maxim_(talk) 01:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of The Bellflower Bunnies episodes

previous FLC (02:57, 20 October 2008)

After a 15-day wait, I'm bringing this one back for FLC. Is there really anything I missed out on since last time? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:49, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Bellflower Bunnies title card.JPG Do you mind removing those black bars at the side and re-uploading?
  • They are now sufficiently invisible. Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 23:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
• Do we really need four cites to back up one fact(6,7,8,9)? Wouldn't a cite that states all 4 countries suffice?
  • Cite has been provided. Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 23:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Not really going into detail, as it looks pretty good. Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 02:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• All issues I can see are addressed. I therefore lend my support. Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 23:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my comments from the previous FLC were resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--TRU_CO 00:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums of 2005

I am submiting this list because I think its ready to achieve FL status. Jaespinoza (talk) 19:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 18:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• "for 25 weeks this year," – "this year" sounds to me like it's the current year (2008), and not the 2005 as mentioned earlier in the sentence. I suggest rewording this. FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "reached the number 26" – "reached number 26" - FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "on The Billboard 200" – "on the Billboard 200" – "the" is not part of the billboard's official name, remove it from the link too - FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "on The Billboard 200 and was named" – "on The Billboard 200, was named", FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "and also won" – "and won" FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Another recording by Daddy Yankee (released on December 7, 2004) titled Barrio Fino en Directo reached the first spot on the chart. " – "Another recording by Daddy Yankee entitled Barrio Fino en Directo was released on December 7, 2004 and reached the first spot on the chart." – don't use brackets when they are not necessary, FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "This album includes" – "The album includes", FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "chart-topper" – I'm not so sure if this is encyclopedic. Sounds too informal. FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "on their careers" – "in their careers" FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "chart topper" – same as above; also, no dash is used here as opposed to the other? FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• I suggest changing all occurrences of "this" to "the" as every time "this" is used, mentally I'm thinking of someone pointing at something specific, when in fact the entire article's focus should already be the chart so "the chart" is sufficient, FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Fijación Oral Vol. 1 by Colombian singer-songwriter Shakira spent 17 weeks at number one on this chart and despite a ban by retail chain Ritmo Latino, this album" – "Fijación Oral Vol. 1 by Colombian singer-songwriter Shakira spent 17 weeks at number one on the chart, and despite a ban by retail chain Ritmo Latino, the album", FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "No. 4" – "number four", FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "The Billboard 200" – same as above, FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• "record-holder" – "record holder", FIXED Jaespinoza (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 19:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review by SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• There were nine number-one albums in 2005, including Barrio Fino by Daddy Yankee, which peaked at the top of the chart for 25 weeks, sold nearly 900,000 copies in the United States, reached number 26 on Billboard 200, was named Reggaeton Album of the Year at the 2005 Billboard Latin Music Awards,[2] and won a Latin Grammy Award for Best Urban Music Album. - wouldn't it be the Billboard 200?. No, acording to Gary King who reviewed the list yesterday, he told me to remove "the". Jaespinoza (talk) 02:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
• Fijación Oral Vol. 1 by Colombian singer-songwriter Shakira spent 17 weeks at number one on the chart, and despite a ban by retail chain Ritmo Latino, the album had the largest sales week for a Spanish-language album since Nielsen SoundScan began tracking in 1991, with 157,000 copies sold, which led to a first-ever debut by a Latin album at number four on Billboard 200, surpassing Ricky Martin's Almas del Silencio, which was the previous record holder with 65,000 units in 2003. - this needs a full stop after "on the chart." Then begin the sentence with "Despite a ban..."--S_RX 00:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC), FIXED, Jaespinoza (talk) 02:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - my review was resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 22:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Support I made some minor fixes, but otherwise, this list meets all criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• I was not a part of your previous FLCs, so I realize your other lists passed without some of these issues being addressed.
• The column heading "Issue Date" confuses me. It's not the date of the albums release, which is what I first thought. Is that the date the Billboard list is issued? Maybe "Chart date"?. Answer: FIXED!. On the Billboard page the chart date is refered as "issue date" but chart date I think is more acurate. Jaespinoza (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
• The third instance of Daddy Yankee (December 31) shouldn't be wikilinked. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
• I don't believe "Internet sales" should have a capital "I" - is that correct? I see your other lists have that, but it doesn't look right to me. FIXED!. On a previous review someone told me to capitalize it, but now is fixed. Jaespinoza (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
• I give this list a Weak Support - if another column heading can be found, I'll remove the "Weak". -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:40, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Irish ODI cricketers

I am nominating this article because I believe it satisfies the FL criteria: it's comprehensive (only 29 players have represented Ireland and the stats are up to date) and the lead explains the article (a bit about what ODI cricket is and the background of Irleand and ODI). All comments and suggestions are welcome. Nev1 (talk) 00:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment I would reconmend creating articles for the red links. If this is done then I will support. 02blythed (for some reason I cannot sign.

Not a problem, as these people have played international cricket they satisfy notability crieria. I'll get on it right away. Nev1 (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Now done, everyone on the list has their own article. Nev1 (talk) 14:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I therefore believe it fulfills all the FL criteria and Support this nomination. 02blythed ( I still cannot sign properly.

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "This is a list of Irish One-Day International (ODI) cricketers." – remove bold because of link per WP:BOLDTITLE
• reword the "this is a list of" to make it more interesting; check List of mergers and acquisitions by Adobe Systems, List of Oklahoma City Thunder head coaches, and List of ISS spacewalks for ideas
• "Twenty-nine" – "29" per WP:MOS; needs to be moved somewhere else since sentences can't begin with numbers
• "and one tie" – "and 1 tie" – per WP:MOS because when comparing numbers they need to all either be numbers or letters to be consistent (within the same sentence)
• I don't think there's any need for the text to be small in the table. Just make it normal size.
• Perhaps italicize and indent "Statistics are correct as of 3 November 2008."

Gary King (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes implemented. The text was smaller to make the table look a bit neater, but you're right it doesn't need to be small. Nev1 (talk) 20:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Oppose Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "and that each team has only one innings" "innings"-->inning.
  • "Inning" is not the singular of innings in cricket. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "By reaching the final of the 2005 ICC Trophy"-->Because it reached the final of the 2005 ICC Trophy...
  • I don't believe this phrasing is superior to the one already used. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
    • After reading the original sentence a couple times, it is OK. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "which took many pundits by surprise" Which pundits? Where's the source for this statement?
  • Here's the source used in the article. A sporting "upset" is only an upset if it's unexpected, and the cricinfo staff are pundits. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Ireland qualified for the 2007 World Cup where they progress to the super eights" Several issues:
  • Comma after "Cup".
    • Why is a comma needed? Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
      • It is additional information. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Ok, done. Nev1 (talk) 23:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
  • "progress"-->progressed.
    • Done. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
  • What are "super eights"?
    • Explanation added that it's the second stage of the tournament. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Irish cricket has suffered" "suffered"-->experienced. Less POV.
  • I don't believe this is POV as some of Ireland's best players are choosing to play for their counties, meaning Ireland are forced to play less experienced players. However I realise it could be argued from the other direction that it's giving the younger players exposure, so have changed it. Nev1 (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "something that is not possible in Ireland" Why?
  • Explanation added that it's not possible because there is no professional structure in Ireland and no professional teams. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• 'have been labelled the "leading associate".' Meaning?
  • Explanation has been added that this means they are the best non-Test playing nation. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I don't see this explanation. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
      • In the second paragraph: "Ireland are one of only two associate nations to be part of the rankings; associates are the next level of team below those that play Test cricket". Therefore the leading associate means the best non-Test playing teams. Nev1 (talk) 23:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "115*" Why is there an asterisk by the number?
  • This means the batsman was not out, this will be addressed by the addition of a key. Nev1 (talk)
    • Actually, running prose should not have symbols, use en dashes or parentheses for this information instead. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Changed to "not out" , for which * is shorthand, in the prose. Nev1 (talk) 23:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "763 runs 35 wickets" Shouldn't these quantities be separated by "and"?
  • Done. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• The table needs a key.
  • In progress. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
    • A key has now been added. Only terms which do not have a wikilink at the top of the table have been included as the link should provide enough explanation. Nev1 (talk) 23:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "occassion"-->occasion. (twice in the article)
  • Done. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "embarked on a break"-->took a break
  • Done. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• "commitments with his county side" What is a county side? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
  • You don't believe it's clear what a county side is from the third paragraph of the lead? Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I had not made the connection between the county cricket system and "county side". Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
• Add all the terms to the key, even the linked ones; readers should not have to leave the article to be able to understand the table.

• The key has now been expanded to include all abbreviations used in the table. Nev1 (talk) 23:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

• Move the key to above the table.

• Done.Nev1 (talk) 23:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

• "The record for best bowling figures in an innings for Ireland in ODIs belongs to Andre Botha who took 4/19 against Kenya on 24 August 2008." Comma after "Botha". Dabomb87 (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

• Done. Nev1 (talk) 23:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• The first instance of "cap" in the lede should be wikilinked
• I'd like to see the table sortable. Since the "rowspan" headers don't work for a sortable table, I recommend adding "Batting", "Bowling", and "Fielding" to the Key. You will need to make use of the {{sort}} template for the 100/50 and BB columns.
• BTW, the "100/50" column header isn't bold like the rest
• Wikilinking the header columns (Runs, Avg, Overs, Runs, Avg) is a bit strange, IMO. I would add them to the Key and wikilink there. The two "Runs" and "Avg" columns should probably be differentiated, as well.
• I Conditionally Support this candidate after some of the fixes above are taken care of. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Mostly done. The sorting issue is a tricky one to solve, and one that's cropped up on other lists. I've completely removed the top line of the table and now it sorts fine. I don't think the top line was necessary, but if anyone disagrees, it can be reinstated. Nev1 (talk) 14:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Can I recommend doing the Key like this? As for sorting, are the "100/50" and "BB" columns sorting correctly? I don't understand what those mean, so they may be fine - I'm just checking :) Also, the "HS" field isn't sortable and probably should be? Finally, you'll want to make use of {{sortname}} to sort the Name column by last, first. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

New key implemented. 100/50 and BB sort fine (although it's a shame about the dashes in BB). HS doesn't sort properly, the only way to do it would be to convert every highest score to three digits (ie: 3 would become 003 and 17 would become 017). I've played around with {{sortname}}, but I just can't get it to work, are you sure it can be used in tables, I've only ever seen it sorting categories. Nev1 (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I've added {{sortname}} to the name column and added the sorting capability for the HS column. The HS column sorting automatically interprets numbers (so you don't need to worry about 325 coming before 37).

As an aside, the key still has "an innings that ended not out", which is grammatically incorrect. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for fixing that (and somehow you got HS to sort properly!)

In cricket, innings is both plural and singular, so to say "an innings" is fine (eg: "he had a good innings"). Nev1 (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Milwaukee Brewers managers

I am nominating this list to become a Featured List becuase I believe it meets all FL criteria. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review by SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)/Oppose - fails to meet the standards of writing and their are faults with the table, fails FL cr 1-3,5

Prose

• The Milwaukee Brewers Major League Baseball franchise has employed 17 managers and 8 general managers (GMs) since its inception in Seattle, Washington as the Seattle Pilots in 1969. - this is the opening lead sentence. In other similar FL's, they state what division they play in, what stadium, where they are from. They don't go directly to the point of the list.
• Take my suggestions that I pointed out above and then place the prose about them being the Pilots and combine it with the second sentence.
• Buck Rodgers managed the team in 1981 when the Brewers won the second-half American League East Division title - link to this "half" division title?
• Rodgers and Harvey Kuenn managed the Brewers in 1982, leading them to win the American League pennant. - so two people managed, both were head managers? Or did one resign and then the other came in, if so that should be elaborated.
• Phil Garner won 563 games from 1992 to 1999, placing him first on the all-time wins list for Brewers managers. Very confusing at the end and sounds bias, so his 563 ranks him first on "what?"
• The manager with the highest winning percentage over a full season or more is Harvey Kuenn, whose .576 winning percentage is sixth on the all-time wins list for Brewers managers. - Get to the point, begin with Harvey Kuenn has the highest winning percentage with .576, which is sixth on the all-time wins list for Brewers managers. Also, how is it the highest if he is only sixth?
• The manager with the highest winning percentage over a full season or more is Harvey Kuenn, whose .576 winning percentage is sixth on the all-time wins list for Brewers managers. - the word "worst" is POV
• Lead needs to be expanded and better written, the first manager should be listed first, the current manager, and those with the record winning %. See current FLC, List of Tennessee Titans head coaches.

Tables

• What do the dashes in the # column mean?
• Source for general managers?
• Can it be elaborated in the prose the difference between the GM and the head manager?

Notes

• The awards need to be integrated as a row/column into the table, see the FLC I pointed out above.--S_RX 04:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Take a look now. Most of the lead was re-written with your suggestions in-mind. I'm not sure what you mean about bullet #3 (about the second-half title). All "Tables" comments were addressed. The way the notes/awards are indicated is standard for other FL of MLB managers. I see no need for this list to buck the trend. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 05:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Nope. Still has problems

• The beginning of the sentence states they are in the national league but of what the MLB or the AL?
• So where is the home stadium?
• Ken Macha, former manager of the Oakland Athletics is the team's current manager; he will manage his first Brewers game when the 2009 season begins. - this should go at the end of the paragraph, needs to be in chronological order. + comma after Athletics. Since his first game will be until 2009, I recommend adding a {{future}} template.
• The team's first manager was Joe Schultz. Buck Rodgers managed the team in 1981 when the Brewers won the American League second-half East Division title. - you need a transition. Wow, Shultz was the first manager, so what? Elaborate more on him, or transclude from there to the next sentence. In the second sentence, wikilink to that title?
• Still no explanation for the emdash in the tables under the "#" row.--S_RX 15:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Indicated Nat'l League of MLB & home stadium, fixed Macha, added {{future}}, worked on Schultz sentence, added em dash explanation to table key. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Final Comments

• Buck Rodgers managed the team in 1981 when the Brewers won the American League second-half East Division title. - I remember reviewing a list in this nature where there were half champions and it elaborated why they were half champs, can that be elaborated here?
• The ref for the GM's should be made into a General one since the same one verifies all of them, possibly into a separate row or indicated below the table.
• Also, seeing the size of the table, is there a way to place the GM table next to the Manager's table?--S_RX 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• I added a bit about the 1981 Major League Baseball strike being the reason for the splist season. I removed the references column for the GMs, and put it under the "General" references section. I tried putting the tables next to each other, but (on my 1024x768 display in IE) the managers table was squeezed such that it became visually unpleasing. Also, the current layout is standard for other MLB manager FLs. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Support - My review was addressed to meet WP:FL?, but I feel that the article should have been peer reviewed before coming here due to the many prose and misc. issues I pointed out above.--S_RX 00:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Meets FL criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• My only suggestion is to find another picture or two?
• I Support this candidate. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• I'd love to add more pictures too, but free images just can't be found. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review by SRX

Comments --

• Generally it looks good. I did add a column for league championships/pennants won, since that is a critical item in assessing a manager's career, even if he lost the WS that year. Rlendog (talk) 17:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
• The one thing I think needs to be addressed is a little bit of confusion in the lead over which league the Brewers play in. It starts by saying the Brewers play in the National League, but then the 2nd paragraph mentions winning the American League east, and then goes back to discuss the National League again. I think the lead needs to clarify the Brewers' situation with respect to changing leagues. Perhaps a 2nd sentence could be added to note that the Brewers played in the American League until 1998, when they were moved to the National League.
• Additional pictures would be nice, but there don't seem to be any relevant free ones available on Commons, so I don't think that should impact the articles' assessment. Of course, it would be good to get a free picture of Ken Macha in a Brewers uniform added to the article as soon as possible. Rlendog (talk) 17:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Done. - I added a sentence very similar to the one you suggested. I think the situation has been clarified. I'd love to add more pictures too, but free images just can't be found. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - My issues have been addressed. Rlendog (talk) 01:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments (KV5)

• If there have been no managers elected to the Hall of Fame, it doesn't belong in the key.
• First sentence: "The Milwaukee Brewers Major League Baseball (MLB) franchise of the National League has employed 17 managers and 8 general managers (GMs) during its 40 seasons of play."→"The Milwaukee Brewers franchise of Major League Baseball's (MLB) National League has employed 17 managers and eight general managers (GMs) during its 40 seasons of play."
  • This change should not be done Do not change 8 to eight; per MOSNUM, comparative quantities should all be written the same way. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
    • My fault, this didn't come up in either the Phillies or Twins managers FLC; however, that's not the only change to be made here; the other half still needs to be fixed. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 21:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
• Playing their home games at Miller Park is extraneous to the first paragraph of the lead - remove.
• "the lowest winning percentage over a season or more is .395 by the team's first manager Joe Schultz." - add comma after .395.
• Italicize Macha and his record until the 2009 season starts, to indicate that he has not yet managed the team.
• Needs a reference either with Harvey Kuenn or in the key to show the source for Milwaukee Walk of Fame.
• I know it's just one redlink, but any chance of creating even a tiny stub for Dean Taylor?
• Any chance of creating a GM template either? (see List of Philadelphia Phillies managers)
• You note in the key that em-dashes are used to denote prior service as manager, yet you also use them for blanks in the playoffs. I suggest removing that line from the key and following the format used in the above Phillies list or List of Minnesota Twins managers, wherein a footnote is used to explain em-dashes in the "#" column.
• Playoff rows should be complete; that is, where a manager has appeared in the playoffs, 0s should be used in place of an em-dash if a manager has won 0 pennants or 0 World Series championships.

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Done. Thanks for the suggestions. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work. Support. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 21:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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The O.C. (season 4)

I am listing this, as the last in the seasons set. It has completed it's recent peer review and I believe it meets the criteria. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 04:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm opposing for now, considering the issues listed below are only from the lead; I haven't checked the rest of the article yet.

• "In an attempt at a new time-slot " – Why would it be an attempt if they actually did it? Should be something more like they "tested a new time slot".  Done
• "anymore" – "any more"; any more than what? please specify, even if implied
  •  On hold Matthew brought this at PR too. I originally had "anymore" but the automated peer review suggested that "any more" was BrE and "anymore" was the AmE version. I am not american so don't know, but would like further clarification and will go with consensus.
    • I think that PR suggestion is for a different use of "any more". It's for something like "He didn't go to the store anymore", not "he didn't get any more than he needed", which must be two separate words. Gary King (talk) 23:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
      •  Done, as usual you are correct. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
• "returned to Thursdays" – "returned to Thursday" – there is a "... of every week" that is implied here, that's why  Done
• ""core four" characters" – which four?  Done
• "however executive" – "however, executive"  Done
• "five disc" – "five-disc"  Done
• "The season was also made available to purchase" – "The season was also available"  Done
• "on the US Xbox Live Marketplace and the US iTunes Store for registered users" – "in the American versions of the Xbox Live Marketplace and the iTunes Store" – or something to that effect  Done
• "premiered anywhere on television" – "premiered on television"  Done
• "In the US" – "In the US,"  Done
• "available from October 26, 2006 at 3:01 a.m. ET" – "available from October 26, 2006 at 3:01 a.m. ET onwards" – or something like that  Done
• "In Canada the" – "In Canada, the"  Done
• "on terrestrial" – "on the terrestrial"  Done
• "CTV Television Network, CTV Broadband Network" – "CTV Television Network, CTV"
  • Comment, sentence restructured per point below so this no longer exists. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
• "allowed the episode to be streamed from 12:00 p.m. ET on October 30, 2006" – confusing. So, CTV allowed Warner to stream it? And, stream it where? On CTV's website? I thought Warner owned the program?"
  •  Done Hopefully clarified. Warner allowed CTV to stream it on the CTV Broadband Network.
• "8:30 p.m. (local time)." – there's no three letter timezone code to use here? It should be obvious which timezone this is in without clicking on the link.
  •  On hold The point is that there are three timezone codes to list here - AWST, ACST, and AEST. Programs do actually air in local time so if you lived in Perth it would be 8:30 p.m. AWST, whereas for someone who lived in Sydney it would have been shown at 8:30 p.m. AEST. I used local time as it seemed more appropriate than mentioning all three timezones. Please let me know if you disagree. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The above issues are only examples from the lead; the rest of the article should be double-checked for similar issues. Gary King (talk) 19:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Diff Thanks for the review. I believe I have addressed all your comments. I will try and triple check for mistakes, but I seem to be exceptionally spotting them, as having written it, I just read what I think should be there. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

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• "With Lost about to go enter a three-month hiatus it was hoped that a move for The O.C." – "go enter": "enter"; "was hoped" – change to active voice; who is hoping?  Done
• "season; however the " – "season. However, the "
  •  On hold I have been told in the past that "season. However, the" was wrong. See the second comment here. I don't know which version is correct, but am just providing reasoning for my choice. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
• "it's" – "its"  Done
• "the Xbox Live Marketplace and iTunes Store for registered users." – does "registered users" need to be specified? Does either store sell items to non-registered users?  Done
• "The fourth season was also broadcast outside of the United States." – I think I brought this up before, but I don't think this needs to be said. The paragraph can start with "In Canada" and people will realize that it's broadcast outside the US. The reader doesn't assume one way or the other that the show does or does not broadcast outside the US up to this point.  Done
• "the episode could be streamed " – "the episode was streamed "
  • ✗ Not done. I disagree with this one, was streamed seems to imply that people streamed the episode from 3:01 onwards. I don't know if people actually streamed the episode at that time. Unlike being broadcast on television it wasn't definately done at specific times, hence the "could be". Is that reasonable? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
• "the season premiered January" – "the season premiered on January"  Done
• "was first broadcast" – first? so it broadcast on other networks after? Perhaps say at the end of the sentence "and it broadcast on other networks aftewards" or something.  Done

Gary King (talk) 18:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I have now addressed these points. Thanks for looking over this. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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Article still needs work.

• "Other cast members returning in recurring roles included" – "Other cast members that returned in recurring roles include" – watch out for "-ing" nouns masquerading as verbs  Done
• "Actors leaving the cast included" – "Actors who left the cast include"  Done
• "New members joining the cast included" – "New members who joined the cast include"  Done
• There are more like these.

Gary King (talk) 16:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for doing a bit of copyediting, I have addressed the above issues and added a ref for the regular directors you marked as {{fact}}. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The article still needs a lot of work. For example:

• "The fourth season of The O.C. commenced airing in the United States on November 2, 2006 in the United States, concluded on February 22, 2007, and consisted of sixteen episodes." – "The fourth season of The O.C. aired in the United States from November 2, 2006 to February 22, 2007 and consisted of sixteen episodes."

 Question: I don't understand how the current version is incorrect. This is also seems to be a standard opening in season FLs (e.g. The other seasons of The O.C. use it as does all Lost and Degrassi seasons). Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

My version has the same information but it's more concise. Gary King (talk) 18:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - please delink the mass use of wikilinks in references. Used once and only once is usually best.Mitch32^(UP) 18:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

•  Done. I have delinked a lot of these but I'm not sure that references fall under overlinking. I have never seen this requested and notice that of the present four most recently promoted FL's [36][37][38] suffer from what you'd call overlinking in refs, whereas this has no linking in the refs at all. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Change "In America" to "In the United States" in the Notes section.  Done
• I have to disagree with Mitch32 above. Most refs sections I've seen are masses of blue, and that's okay.
• I Support this candidate. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "This was the first season without one of the "core four" characters of Ryan Atwood, Seth Cohen, Rachel Bilson, and Marissa Cooper;[4] however, executive producer Stephanie Savage said that Marissa's death "set up a new direction for the show".[5]" ← I understand you're trying to be concise here, but I had to read it twice to glean what was going on. Perhaps you could be a little clearer?  Done
• You don't need to link to The O.C. in the second paragraph of the lead; I think "the show's creator..." would suffice.  Done
• "that maybe wasn't as evident last year" ← could "last year" link to the article on season 3?  Done
• "Former main cast member Mischa Barton did not return because her character, Marissa, died in the third season finale" ← I don't much like how straightforward this is.
  •  On hold, I don't understand. Relative to the season 4 article it is that straight forward. Details of her death should be explained in the third season finale article not here, in a season in which she does not feature and a season of which her death is not part of. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
• "This increase was mostly due to 6.7 viewers, 76 percent more than the season average, tuning in to see the final ever installment of The O.C.[30]" ← 6.7 million?  Done

Hope these help. Seegoon (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Support. Seegoon (talk) 17:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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Annie Award for Best Animated Home Entertainment Production

After finishing Annie Award for Best Animated Video Game for the FLC contest, I wrote this up. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I don't particularily like the formatting of the table. I think you've made it more cumbersome to read just so it could be sortable. There are some cases where sortability just doesn't work and this is one of those. I would prefer to see each year just have one row (using rowspan), that way it would be easier to see which were nominated in a certain year. Admittedly, the sorting is helpful, but I don't think it adds much here since no film can be nominated more than once. I would prefer to see it formatted more like this, with the result column removed and extra thick lines added at the bottom of each year to make things easier to see. -- Zombie Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• I disagree on the sorting part. The downsides to sorting only appears when you get too much redundancy (for instance, List of Nobel Laureates in Chemistry, in which I agreed with your assessment that the table shouldn't be sortable due to the excessive redundancy and mirrored at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Nobel Laureates in Economics), and here, the benefit to sorting (sort winners, studio, directors), outweighs the redundancy in having multiple year columns. That said, I added thicker lines to divide the years up. Is that sufficient? — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 23:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "In 1992, the scope of the awards were expanded to honor animation as a whole"—"were"-->was.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• "To be eligible for the award, the film must have been released in the year prior to the next Annie Awards ceremony" "prior to"-->before.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Add a brief sentence or phrase to the lead that describes what ASIFA-Hollywood is.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 01:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• Best Home Video Production,[3], was

Extra comma

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• My opinion would be to have "Won" instead of "Won Annie Award"

• Prefer the full text myself. See List of submissions to the 79th Academy Awards for Best Foreign Language Film. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Shouldn't the color of the fields in that column be partnered with a text indicator, like * or † ?

• I don't see how that's necessary with the color. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Per WP:COLOR: Ensure that colour is not the only way used to convey important information. Especially, do not use coloured text unless its status is also indicated using another method such as italic emphasis or footnote labels. Otherwise, blind users or readers accessing Wikipedia through a printout or device without a colour screen will not receive that information.

• There's text clearly indicating what is meant in that cell. This line in WP:COLOR only applies in cases in which color is the only identifier. This is not the case. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
• (reply to SatyrTN) But in this case, the color is associated with text ("Nominee" or "Won Annie Award"). In other words, the color doesn't even need to be there, it is used for contrast. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• The redlink for Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker can be fixed

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• The "Year" column needs to make use of the {{sort}} function so that sorting returns the list in the original order. For instance, {{sort|1995-a|[[1995 in film|1995]]}}, {{sort|1995-b|[[1995 in film|1995]]}}, {{sort|1995-c|[[1995 in film|1995]]}} would be the entries for The Gate to the Mind’s Eye, Opéra Imaginaire, and The Land Before Time II: The Great Valley Adventure. And go from there :)

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Having said that, shouldn't each year be sorted to have the winner first, followed by the other nominees sorted by title?

• Was supposed to already do that, but fixed now. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Because the table is sortable, the Studio entries need to be linked in all instances.

• The non-linked ones are redlinks. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

• Shouldn't they still be linked? There are red-links in the other columns.

• I Conditionally Support this candidate. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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New York Knicks seasons

With two FLs already under my belt, I'm coming back with another seasons list. This mostly follows the format of my previous lists, but has a few differences, most notably sortable tables. I think this meets the FL criteria, and will address any concerns as they come up. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review from SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• One of the Basketball Association of America's (BAA) 11 teams during its inaugural season, the Knicks won the league's first game, defeating the Toronto Huskies 68–66 on November 1, 1946. - link to BAA?
  • The BAA link redirects to NBA, so I added a link to the History section of the NBA article. That way, there aren't two straight NBA links in the lead. Giants2008 (17-14) 04:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
• The team's best opportunity to win a championship during this period came in the 1993–94 season, when it lost the NBA Finals to the Houston Rockets in seven games. - sounds POV, the beginning needs rewording, I suggest taking out "best opportunity" or reword that in a different way.
  • I did reword that. Giants2008 (17-14) 04:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
• Entering the 2008–09 season, the Knicks have not made the playoffs since 2004, when they were swept by the New Jersey Nets in four games. - to wordy, just say they lost versus "were swept"
  • Made the suggested change. Giants2008 (17-14) 04:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
• Why aren't the "Knicks seasons, conference, GB, and division made sortable?"--S_RX 00:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, the "Knicks seasons" column doesn't need to be sortable, as sorting the "season" column would do the same job. The "conference" and "division" columns don't need to be sortable as well because they have basically the same items in every row. (two items in the "division" column, to be accurate) I guess "GB" can be sortable, but it isn't that important.—Chris! _ct 02:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I made the GB sortable. Since there is a disagreement over whether the other three should be sortable, I'll probably hold off on them for now. Giants2008 (17-14) 04:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 21:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment: As per this Checklinks tool, all the edits seem good. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 00:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Change "Did not qualify" to "Did not reach the Playoffs" as the first one is vague —Chris! _ct 02:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Did all of them; I counted 23 in all. Giants2008 (17-14) 04:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
• Support —Chris! _ct 06:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "One of the Basketball Association of America's (BAA) 11 teams during its inaugural season"—Per MOSNUM, comparative quantities should be written the same way: "One of the Basketball Association of America's (BAA) eleven teams during its inaugural season..."
• "The club qualified for the playoffs in the league's first three seasons, before the BAA merged with the National Basketball League in 1949 to form the NBA." No comma necessary here.
• "New York and Los Angeles faced each other again in the 1972 Finals, with the Lakers winning in five games." No with + -ing sentence structure please.
• In the references, you have cited the names of the websites as the publisher when they should be the work:
  • Basketball-reference is the work, not the publisher. Sports Reference is the publisher.
  • Same with references with NBA.com as the publisher; it is the work. Turner Sports Interactive is the publisher.
  • In ref 21, Basketball Hall of Fame is the work. CBS Interactive (or just CBS) is the publisher.
  • Ref 4, History is the work, and A&E Television Networks is the publisher. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I made all of the changes. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

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Timeline of the 2003 Atlantic hurricane season

I am nominating this page as a featured list candidate because I believe it meets the standards for a Featured list. It is also a great addition to the almost, in my opinion, one of the best series of articles from WPTC, the 2003 Atlantic hurricane season. All thoughts and comments are welcome. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2008

Support- This article is very well written.--Kirk76 ^{1854 Atlantic Hurricane Season} 20:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "This timeline..." Don't start the article like this, start with a contextual lead sentence: "The 2003 Atlantic hurricane season was an active Atlantic hurricane season with tropical activity before and after the official bounds of the season – the first such occurrence in 50 years." Do not bold. Move the sentence describing the timeline to the end of the first paragraph.
• Why is there an empty graphic with colored bars at the beginning of the timeline?
  • Still haven't answered the question. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• "due the the impact caused in Bermuda" Typo?
  • Not fixed, the first "the" needs to be a "to". Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Hurricane Fabian, Hurricane Isabel, and Hurricane Juan all had their names"
• "Both Fabian and Juan were the worst hurricanes to hit their respective areas causing a total of $450 million in damages and 16 fatalities."-->Both Fabian and Juan were the worst hurricanes to hit their respective areas, causing $450 million in damages and 16 fatalities. Needs a source also.
• "This season had 21 tropical depressions, 16 named storms, seven hurricanes, and three major hurricanes, i.e. those" Per WP:MOSNUM, write comparative quantities consistently (either spell them all out or write them all as digits). Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (abbreviations), i.e. should be in italics. Link [[Tropical cyclone scales|major hurricanes]].
  • Not fixed, i.e still needs to be in italics and seven-->7. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• "The most notable storms of the season were the three storms which had their names retired." This sentence is reptitious, I suggest that you delete it.
• Isabel peaked as a powerful Category 5 hurricane over the open waters of the Atlantic before weakening to a category two and impacting the east coast of the United States causing $3.6 billion in damages and 51 fatalities.-->Isabel peaked as a Category 5 hurricane over the open waters of the Atlantic; however, it weakened to a category two before impacting the east coast of the United States, causing $3.6 billion in damages and 51 fatalities. This sentence also needs a source.
  • One more thing: Shouldn't "category two"-->Category 2? Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Hurricane Isabel strengthens into a Category 5 hurricane, becoming the strongest storm of the season with winds peaking at 165 mph (270 km/h) and a minimum pressure of 915 mbar (hPa; (27.03 inHg)."-->Hurricane Isabel strengthens into a Category 5 hurricane, becoming the strongest storm of the season; winds peaked at 165 mph (270 km/h) and the minimum pressure was 915 mbar (hPa; (27.03 inHg).
  • Not fixed, "peaking"-->peak and "minimum pressure was"-->minimum pressure is. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Tropical Storm Ana looses tropical characteristics"—Typo.
• "Tropical Storm Mindy forms 80 mi (130 km) northeast" Why is this the only measurement that is abbreviated?
• Spell out what NOAA stands for. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I believe I have corrected the addressed problems. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
    • There are still quite a few things you haven't addressed. I replied to those individual issuse above. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops, my bad. I'll go fix those now. As for the timeline image, there is a bug on the site, there's nothing I can do for now since it's affecting all newly created timeline images. It has been reported by Matthiasb as bug 16085. Guess I should probably make fixes when I'm at home and not during lunch at school;) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

If the timeline image is a bug, then for now, it is an unactionable issue, so I will support because the other issues were resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

SupportJason Rees (talk) 02:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Very detailed, and would make a fine addition to the 2003 AHS series. --Dylan620 (Home • yadda yadda yadda • Ooooohh!) 17:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of FA Cup winners

I am nominating this list for FL status as I feel it meets all the criteria, I hope you feel the same way :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Resolved comments from Rambo's Revenge

• 1885-1886, sorting by season puts the replay before the original match and should not do so
  • Fixed
• 1922-1923, attendence is 126,047 (official), does this mean all other attendences are estimates?
  • No, all figures are official, but the official figure for 1923 does not reflect the actual number of spectators present, which may have been anywhere up to 300,000 - see 1923 FA Cup Final for the full story. I'm open to suggestions of a better way to express this......
    • I've now re-done that bit, what do you think.....?
      • (edit conflict) Good I was just suggesting when I got and edit conflict. I would also suggest in the note put that all three of these numbers can be ref'd by "borrowing" the refs from the 1923 FA Cup Final article.
      • Additionally you may want to use ^{[[#fn a|a]]} and then *{{fnb|a}} at the bottom, to make the note linkable.
        • Done
• IMO † should be next to the score not the team, especially considering all the games won on penalties went to extra time, then you can use one symbol instead of two.
  • Changed
• For the italics, it might be worth mentioning when the football league formed (1888) and/or linking "Football League".
  • Done
• In the references works and publishers should be wikilinked where possible. For example
  • Current ref 1 - link The Independent as the work, the publisher would be Independent News & Media
  • In current ref 5, BBC Sport should be linked, and it is the work not the publisher. It would be work=[[BBC Sport]]|publisher=[[BBC]].
  • There are more like these.
    • All done, I think
      • Ref 13 & 16 should be BBC Sport, BBC too.
        • Done
• The reference styles should be consistent. The books listed use a SURNAME, FORNAME style whereas the webpages are displayed as FORNAME SURNAME. In {{cite web}} try using first= and last= instead of author=.
  • All done, I think
• It might be nice to use colours as well as symbols for finals one by extra time or replays.
  • Done

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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• Those two recent refs you added now have that same publisher, work, linking issue as others did previously.
  • Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise it is looking in good shape. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - my comments have been resolved. The only other thing, I would try and get away from listing 15 years in the lead's 2nd paragraph. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I've removed all the years from the lead -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Olympic captain Albert Warburton proclaimed 'The Cup is very welcome to Lancashire. It'll have a good home and it'll never go back to London.'" Needs a colon after "proclaimed".
  • Done
• Link professionalism.
  • Done
• "The leading professional clubs formed The Football League in 1888,[8] since when only one non-league team has won the cup." Do this mean "since then"?
  • Done
• "In the 1960s Tottenham Hotspur enjoyed a similar spell of success, with three wins in seven seasons." Comma after "1960s".
  • Done
• "Until 1999, a draw in the final would result in the match being replayed at a later date;[13] since that date" "date"-->year.
  • Done
• In the Venues column, all items should be linked because the table is sortable.
  • Done
• Why is the 1874–1875 Cup listed before the 1872–1873 Cup?
  • Where are you seeing that? I sorted the table both backwards and forwards using every column and they appear in the right order regardless.....
    • I don't know :S Dabomb87 (talk) 13:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 01:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC) Thanks for your comments! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

One more thing—In the Venues column, you need to add the "(original)" parenthical note to all the Wembley Stadium ones (unless it was at the new Wembley Stadium, in which case you would put new). You fixed everything else. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• Yup, done that :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Struway2 (talk) 13:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Struway2 (talk · contribs)

• History. Delink 2nd mention of London (in the Warburton quote)
  • Done
• Prefer just "Queens Park reached the final..." to "had reached" (might just be matter of taste)
  • Done
• The 2nd div clubs sentence gets a bit repetitive, perhaps change the 2nd "won the cup" to "were victorious" or whatever
  • Done
• Finals. The competition did take place during the First World War: it ran to completion in 1914–15.
  • Done
• When the table is sorted anything other than chronologically, you can't tell what year the Replay lines apply to. FL criterion 4 says "includes—where helpful—section headings and table sort facilities"; are you sure this is helpful?
  • I only made the table sortable because someone said at the PR that FLs now had to be sortable (and I didn't double check to confirm this). I'll have a think about whether I should take the sorting off......
    • I've changed it now - what do you think? Feel free to tell me if it looks rubbish :-)
      • Well, er...;-) No, it's fine; if people want tables to be sortable, they have to accept they're going to be bright blue and not quite as pretty as they probably would be without the sorting. You'll have to link the seasons (for the same reason the venue is linked every time).
        • All seasons now linked (I'd forgotten about that.....)
• It's disconcerting that adding a symbol to a scoreline pushes the scoreline out of alignment (not sure what could be done about it, but it's still disconcerting)
  • As you say, I'm not sure what can be done about this - something additional to just the colour of the cell has to be used, per accessibility guidelines.....
• The annual FA Cup articles have now been renamed to use the endash separator rather than hyphen, so at some point it'd be good to avoid the redirects (not worth going in specially just for that, though)
  • Might do this if I get bored :-)
• References. Probably picky, but in the BBC references, BBC Sport should be the publisher, and the work (if specified, though I wouldn't) would be BBC Sport website. BBC Sport is a division of the BBC, not a work published by it.
  • Done
• And I'm impressed that you've bothered with the publishers for major newspapers, though there's no need. The documentation of {{Cite news}} says adding the publisher is "Not necessary for major publications like The New York Times, but may add credibility for local papers that are part of a family of publications ..."
  • Another editor said the publisher needed to be added, I'm not fussed either way.....

Hope some of this helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• Cheers for your comments! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Support One minor thing, don't know if you think the phrase 'so-called "Big Four" clubs...' needs citing? Other than that, all issues resolved. List satisfies FL criteria. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• I've cited the concept of those four clubs being known as the "big four" of English football -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of New York Knicks head coaches

I am nominating this list because I think it fulfills the FL criteria. This is part of the WP:FLCon.—Chris! _ct 02:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment

You could also tell the readers that the Knicks have been coached by four of then Top 10 Coaches in History. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Done—Chris! _ct 05:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

One more comment

• "Four coaches have been named to the list of the top 10 coaches in NBA history." Couldn't you just name them out? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 09:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review by SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• There have been 24 head coaches for the New York Knickerbockers franchise. The Knicks are an American professional basketball team based in New York City, playing in the Atlantic Division of the Eastern Conference in the National Basketball Association (NBA). - The intro sentence should be the second one not the first one. The first one should go at the end somewhere of the prose as it is standard for FL's to have the overall count of something to be at the end.
• They currently play their home games at the Madison Square Garden. - remove "the" before MSG no need for it.
• The team is currently owned by the Madison Square Garden, L.P. and coached by Mike D'Antoni, with Donnie Walsh as the general manager. - again remove the "the" before MSG, also link to General Manager?
• The second paragraph should explain who the current one is, and at the end of it you should place that sentence mentioned above.--S_RX 00:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Done all—Chris! _ct 02:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my comments were addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 22:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "The Knicks are" – "The New York Knicks are"
• "in New York City, playing" – "in New York City that plays"

Gary King (talk) 19:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Done all—Chris! _ct 22:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Support from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)—Meets all criteria and is similar to or better than the other NBA team head coach FL's. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

• No need to refer to the team as Knickerbockers more than once, and no need to link New York Knickerbockers to the Knicks page. Just says New York Knicks, unlinked.
• "Top 10 Coaches" should be "top 10 coaches".
• Rick Pitino should be linked in the image caption.
• "Holzman was the franchise's first Coach of the Year winner and its all-time leader in regular season games coached"→"and is its all-time leader"
• Since the asterisk and dagger never occur bolded in the table, they should not be boldface in the key.
• I would shorten the name of the "Reference" column to "Ref" to save space.
• Change Sports Reference to Sports Reference LLC in your refs.

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Done all—Chris! _ct 02:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

These items were not completed as above:

• "Besides Holzman, Pat Riley, Lenny Wilkens, and Larry Brown have all been inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame as a coach."→"as coaches."
• "Four coaches have been selected as the Top 10 Coaches in NBA history."→"Four coaches have been named to the list of the top 10 coaches in NBA history."

Opps, look like I missed these two. Done now.—Chris! _ct 04:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Well done. Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Marmalade Boy chapters

previous FLC (21:59, 24 May 2008)

I am renominating this list as I believe it meets all of the FLC criteria. Everything is well sourced with reliable references, the lead is comprehensive and provides the relevant details normally found in a chapter list with an appropriate image in the upper right corner. It has also been reformatted to match current FLC standards of not repeating the list name in the lead. The list itself is well-formatted, comprehensive, and complete. The individual volume summaries are of a reasonable length for 200 page volumes with a fairly complex story line, with all but two under 300 words. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 20:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Wataru Yoshizumi; the first premiered" – "Wataru Yoshizumi. The first chapter premiered"
• "released February 20" – "released on February 20"
• "with new volumes published monthly" – "and new volumes were published monthly"
• "76 episode" – "76-episode"
• "releases in in France" – "releases in France"
• "by Grupo Editorial Vid , in" – "by Grupo Editorial Vid, in"
• this can actually probably be completely rewritten: "The manga series is licensed for regional language releases in in France by Glenat, in Mexico by Grupo Editorial Vid , in Spain by Planeta DeAgostini Comics, in Italy by Planet Manga, and in Germany by Egmont." – "The manga series is licensed for regional language releases by Glenat in France, Grupo Editorial Vid in Mexico, Planeta DeAgostini Comics in Spain, Planet Manga in Italy, and Egmont in Germany."
• "2002, releasing new volumes" – "2002 and released new volumes"
• "released August " – "released on August "
• "The cover of the first tankōbon volume of the Marmalade Boy manga released in Japan by Shueisha on December 12, 1992." – "The cover of the first tankōbon volume of the Marmalade Boy manga released in Japan by Shueisha on December 12, 1992"
• I have yet to take a look at the summaries.

Gary King (talk) 19:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

All fixed except the last one cause I can't tell what the change was. I made a change to it, though that hopefully fixes whatever was wrong? I completely redid the lead after it had already been copy edited, but the summaries should still pretty much be good (I hope) since its CE in April/May. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

"that they are going to divorce" – "that they plan to divorce" Gary King (talk) 20:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support, sources are okay and the summaries are easy to understand by anybody who has not read the series. The lead and the image are also good.Tintor2 (talk) 17:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• All chapter ranges should have en dashes.
• "The first chapter premiered in the May 1992 issue of Ribon where it was serialized monthly until its conclusion in the October 1995 issue." Comma after "Ribon".
• "Ginta is waiting for Miki when she gets home, where he explains what really happened back in middle school then tells her he has always loved her." Comma after middle school.
• "Meanwhile, Ginta's partner in an upcoming tennis invitational has to drop out after injuring himself."-->Meanwhile, Ginta's partner, who is in an upcoming tennis invitational, has to drop out after injuring himself.
• Who is Namura?
• "but Yuu agrees he will not tell, though wonders if Miki knows"—Missing pronoun.
• "Furious at Ginta for telling some"—Some what?
• "Despondent over Miki, Ginta plays terribly in the tournament and they are close to losing until Miki returns. With Miki back, Ginta and Yuu make a come from behind victory."-->Despondent over Miki, Ginta plays terribly in the tournament. His team is close to losing, but Miki returns. With Miki back, Ginta and Yuu come from behind to win.
• "On the sixth month anniversary of their divorce"— "sixth month"-->six-month.
• "After giving Miki and ultimatum about Arimi and it backfires, Ginta's guilt becomes too much for him and he tells Miki the truth."-->Ginta delivers an ultimatum about Arimi to Miki. However, it backfires; Ginta's guilt overcomes him and he admits the truth to Miki.
• "Meiko goes to Miki's"-->Meiko goes to Miki's house.
• "She leaves Miki's"—Same here.
• "sneaking of"-->sneaking off
• "Yuu also meets with Arimi who tells him that she is happy for him and waits until she is alone to cry." Comma after "Arimi".
• "Embarrassed, Miki apologizes and quickly takes the ice cream to the front as the boy picks"—I think it should be "as the boy picks up".
• Suzu sees the embrace thinks Miki is cheating on Yuu." Missing a word. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

All fixed. Thanks! :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The page ranges should have en dashes (–), not em dashes (—). You fixed everything else. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Woops. Fixed :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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Bibliography of S. E. Hinton

My third list for the FL contest. I've had it reviewed on the talk page, and now feel it is ready. Any concerns will be addressed, as usual. iMatthew 19:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The image has no fair use rationale for this list. Gary King (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I see what you meant, now. I'll ask the uploader later, thanks. iMatthew 20:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

There is a good chance that the image is unacceptable for this list. The rationale needs to explain why this image will significantly improve the reader's understanding of the list; I don't think the image provides this. Gary King (talk) 20:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The image needs a seperate rationale for each article it is used for. Furthermore, I'm not sure how having an image of the book is essential to the list and thus doesn't meet WP:NFCC. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 19:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Removed. Do either of you two have a suggestion for a better picture to use? iMatthew 19:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

A picture of the author. Whether or not this is feasible, I do not know, though. Gary King (talk) 19:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

There are plenty of images of the author out there, but you'll have to do some hardcore emailing and such if you want to get permission for free use of the images. Then you just upload the image with the proper license and forward the email to OTRS. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 19:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Arrrgh-you-beat-me-to-it-Support: I don't think I've seen a more engaging intro on a list, even one of mine. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 10:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• You might want to add a parenthetical note that says she is referred to as S.E. Hinton.
• "Susan Eloise Hinton is an American author, best known for writing young adult fiction."-->Susan Eloise Hinton is an American author who is best known for writing young adult fiction.
• "Hinton released her first children book"—I'm pretty sure it should be "children's book".
• "Hinton's third children book" Same here.
• "Hinton has also won a "School Library Journal Best Books of the Year Award" for Rumble Fish (in 1975),[5] and Tex and Taming the Star Runner (in 1979)." No comma needed.
• "Hinton's first and currently only award" Dabomb87 (talk) 01:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm very tired tonight, so I'll get to these tomorrow, thanks! iMatthew 01:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Done with all. iMatthew 20:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments I would split the publisher and the year in the first table and I would also add an entry like "Number of awards won". Then the second table would make much more sense. Nergaal (talk) 06:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Done with all. iMatthew 20:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - complies with WP:WIAFL.S_RX 02:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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Annie Award for Best Animated Video Game

My third entry for the FLC contest. Scorpion allowed me to submit this even with my second list still pending (see here). — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review from SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• Prose checks out fine.
• The consoles shouldn't be sortable because more than one thing is being sorted in the same box.

• Done. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• The key should be in it's own section header.

• Done. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• References check out fine.--S_RX 21:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 22:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was resolved to meet WP:FL?--S_RX 22:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Add a brief sentence or phrase to the lead that describes what ASIFA-Hollywood is.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• "which honor contributions to animation, including but not limited to producers, directors, and voice actors." I wouldn't consider producers, directors, and actors to be "contributions" (more like contributors).

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• "In 1992, the scope of the awards were"—"were"-->was.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• "the developers of the game must send a five minute DVD showing the gameplay and graphics of the game to a committee appointed by the Board of Directors of ASIFA-Hollywood." Hyphenate "five-minute". "showing"-->that shows.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Although every nominee has been released for multiple video game consoles, Resident Evil 4 had only been released on the Nintendo GameCube by the time of the 33rd Annie Awards, which were held on February 4, 2008." Wrong year, "by"-->at.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• In the key, "MAC OS X"-->Mac OS X

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• In the developers, column, why are some of the companies' full titles given (THQ Inc.) while some only have their name (Activision)?

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• Why don't you make the abbreviation for the GameCube GCN, which is its common abbreviation?

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• In the Gamespot refs, Gamespot is the work; the publisher is CNET Networks.

• Pretty sure that I still link to GameSpot. See Halo 3 or StarCraft: Ghost. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• I don't get your meaning. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• My point is that the present style I'm using is the one commonly used in video game articles, including practically all VG FAs. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

All right, not a big deal. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• In the Rotten Tomatoes site, Rotten Tomatoes is the work, IGN is the publisher.

• Ditto for the above. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• In the Gamespy refs, Gamespy is the work, IGN is the publisher.

• Ditto for the above. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• "year prior to the next"—"prior to"-->before.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 01:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Tennessee Titans head coaches

This is my third list for the FLC Contest. Gary King (talk) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review from SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

Prose

• For two seasons, the team was known as the Tennessee Oilers before changing its name to Titans in 1999. - Wouldn't it be correct to say the Titans?
• California-native Jeff Fisher is the current head coach of the Titans, and is the 15th person to serve in the position. - What's so notable of him being from California?
• The team's winningest coach is Lou Rymkus with a win percentage of .611. - is Winningest a dictionary word? (I am using Firefox, which has a spelling corrections and "winningest" isn't one of them.) + It would be better stated as The team's winningest coach is Lou Rymkus, who has a win percentage of .611.
• Bill Peterson is the team's least winningest coach with a win percentage of .053. - Check that word.
• Rymkus and Wally Lemm have both won the UPI NFL Coach of the Year award - hmm, since Lemm won that award, he must have done something notable, can it be mentioned?

Notes

• The Titans were known as the Tennessee Oilers from 1997 to 1998 before being renamed to the Tennessee Titans. - Source?

References

• Is pro-football reference a reliable source? Just wondering as I have never seen it used before, is it like the Baseball-reference?--S_RX 21:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Winningest. The reference is the same company as Baseball-reference. Gary King (talk) 22:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

All my comments were resolved minus the one about Lemm.--S_RX 22:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 23:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - My review was addressed to satisfy WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 23:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments by NatureBoyMD

Review by NatureBoyMD (talk · contribs)

• In the key, there are spaces around the en dash, but in the heading of the actual list they are unspaced.
• What type of source is current reference #4 ("Woody Paige" (2005-04-11).)? Is it a book, newspaper, magazine, etc? It needs to be properly formatted like the others.
• I wouldn't object to supporting the article over this, but it might be more aesthetically pleasing if you used {{note label}} and {{ref label}} for the footnote. You can see how this is used in another FLC: List of Indianapolis Colts head coaches. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
• One more thing: The year links for Lou Rymkus and Jeff Fisher don't match the text. I.e., it says 1961, but links to 1962; Fisher's says 1994, but links to 1997. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 01:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Just one last thing concerning Jeff Fisher's record... Since his record with Oilers is separate from his Titans record, should his second entry read 1997-present? -NatureBoyMD (talk) 04:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah good point – changed. Gary King (talk) 16:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support: Everything looks good to me. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "It is a member"-->They are a member... or The team is a member...
• "AFL-NFL Merger" "Merger" should not be capitalized.
• "Previously known as the Houston Oilers" This phrase is repeteated twice in the same paragraph.
• "Rhymkus"—Typo.
• "Bill Peterson is the team's least winningest coach, who has a win percentage of .053."-->Bill Peterson, the team's least winningest coach, has a win percentage of .053.
• In the key: "Loses"-->Losses; "Games Coached"-->Games coached, only capitalize first word.
• "In 1961, after Rymkus left the Oilers, Wally Lemm briefly coached the team and led it to nine straight victories."-->In 1961, after Rymkus left the Oilers, Wally Lemm led the to nine straight victories during his brief tenure. Or something like that.
• UPI NFL Coach of the Year is overlinked in the table.
• Pro-football-reference.com is not the publisher, it is the work. Sports Reference LLC is the publisher.
• "The Tennessee Titans are a professional American football team based in Nashville, Tennessee. It is a member of the South Division of the American Football Conference (AFC) in the National Football League (NFL)." Move these sentences to the beginning of the lead. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

All done. The "it" refers to the organization, not the individuals in it. "Wally Lemm briefly coached the team and led it to nine straight victories." seems fine to me; it's straightforward, and only uses an "and" to link the two ideas together, so it's not forming any conclusions. Gary King (talk) 21:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Instead of completely removing "Pro-football-reference.com.", why don't you just reinsert it under the work= field? Also, ref 3 needs a publication date. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:38, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 21:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Is there any chance you could change one of the colours (background or text) for the "Houston Oilers" row in the table. For me, in both IE and Firefox the red on blue is very difficult to read. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 22:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

• In the key, "Loses"→"Losses"
• In the key, you refer to an en-dash as meaning returning to coach, yet it is also used to mean a zero or n/a in the playoffs. First of all, em-dashes are more appropriately used for both of these features in the list, and second, the best thing to do would be to follow the example at List of Philadelphia Phillies managers, etc., wherein that notation is in a note at the end of the list.
• In the key, Win – Loss does not need to be spaced; en-dashes are used to indicate disjunction but spaced en-dashes serve the same function as em-dashes, which is inappropriate for that usage.
• Sports Reference in the references should be Sports Reference LLC.

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 01:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Wow, fast worker. The only other think I can see is that it should be win-loss % in the key, not win-lose. The second comment wasn't addressed completely yet. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. I've converted them to em dashes. Gary King (talk) 04:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Good job. I would still like to see a note in the "Notes" section referring to the fact that no coach is counted more than once, as was formerly in the key. I was going to insert it myself but I don't understand the syntax you are using for the Notes section. Otherwise, I support. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment refs 4 and 20 must have an author name or publishing location in it. Since those publications are really unknown, please add a bit more info to them. Nergaal (talk) 06:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

They're both based in Hartford, per the name. Both publications didn't come with an author. I've linked the publishers for those interested in knowing more about them. Gary King (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Weak Oppose

• "Fisher served as the Los Angeles Rams defensive coordinator for one season and the defensive backs coach for the San Francisco 49ers before he joined the Titans in 1994, when the team was called the Houston Oilers." - needs reference.
• "Fisher has the longest tenure as head coach with one team among active head coaches in the NFL." - I reference does not reference to this sentence.
• "Sid Gillman, who coached the Oilers from 1973 to 1974, was the team's only Hall of Fame football coach." - the reference for this sentence does not exactly say that he was the team's only Hall of Fame inductee. Also, I would suggest you write it like this (don't copy exactly until you see that it does not need copy-editing):"Sid Gillman, who coach the Oilers from 1973 to 1974, was the team's only coach to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame."
• "...win percentage..." - I'm for sure it's winning percentage.
• "Rymkus and Lemm have both..." --> "Rymkus and Lemm, with Gillman, have all"
• align center the #s.
• I suggest you change "Awards" to "Achievements", and put the championships with it. An example would be like in this article: List of Denver Broncos head coaches.
• Can you reference the Awards section, since the references for the players do not include the awards.

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 03:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

If you read my talk page templates, I told you that letting me know that my comments are done are unnesscessary. I Support this nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:48, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

More comments

• "The Oilers won two AFL championships before joining the NFL as part of the AFL-NFL merger." - The table only has one.
• Just a suggestion, but could you link all the year to the NFL season by using Template:NFL Year. That'll be great.

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 03:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. I don't want to link lone years. Gary King (talk) 04:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't get what you mean, and why not. You linked the years on the table, so you could maybe link the years in the prose. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 06:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Because they don't make it clear what they link to. It's the visual message that it sends, in that the reader won't know where it leads to. If, say, the text I linked was "the 2000 NFL season", however, then that would make sense, but not "And then he coached the team in 2000". Gary King (talk) 15:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Most of the List of (team) head coaches do link their years, but it was just a suggestion, as it is not nesscessary. I Support this nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 21:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of mergers and acquisitions by Expedia

This is a short list for a company I admire. I was surprised to find they didn't have that many acquisitions, however, considering several things including their nearly US$3 billion in market capitalization. Gary King (talk) 16:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Use non-breaking spaces.
• "The company made the most acquisitions in 2002 when it acquired three companies: Classic Custom Vacations, Metropolitan Travel, and Newtrade Technologies." Comma after 2002, perhaps?
• Overlinking of Expedia in the Notes section.
• Images? Dabomb87 (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 17:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - prose checks out fine, tables check out fine, sources check out fine, meets WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 21:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by John Legend

I am nominating List of awards and nominations received by John Legend because I think the list is in great condition and meets the FL criteria. DiverseMentality 01:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment About.com is not a reliable source. Gary King (talk) 02:25, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

  Fixed. DiverseMentality 02:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comment from SRX

• Comment - A small sentence needs to be added on how Legend gained to prominence or how he became a singer, small prose.--S_RX 14:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

  Added. Hopefully it's fine, but if not, let me know. DiverseMentality 00:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - My comment was resolved to comply with WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 02:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • http://www.livedaily.com/

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Since LiveDaily is owned by Ticketmaster, I felt it was reliable; but if not, I'll gladly search for a better source. DiverseMentality 18:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

To determine the reliablity of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliabilty that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I had already found different sources and replaced them before I saw your reply, hope that's okay. DiverseMentality 18:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

No worries at all. What did you replace them with? Ealdgyth - Talk 18:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

CBS News and People. DiverseMentality 18:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Write a sentence at the end of the lead that summarizes the total awards that John Legend won: Overall, Legend won 10 awards from 31 nominations.

  Added.

• Spell out that BET stands for Black Entertainment Television.

  Done.

• "including Best New Artist at the BET Awards; Best R&B Act at the MOBO Awards"-->including Best New Artist at the BET Awards and Best R&B Act at the MOBO Awards. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  Fixed. DiverseMentality 18:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of StarCraft media

My first featured list nomination. I think it checks all the boxes: its comprehensive, complete and accurate, its referenced and its easy to follow thanks to basing its style on some related featured lists. The only stability issues would be for altering a couple of dates on the unreleased games and literature, but that's hardly anything major. Gary King has graciously copy-editted the lead for me, so I'm hoping there's no prose issues. As I learnt in my last FAC, I'm a rubbish copyeditor. -- Sabre (talk) 22:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - One question, shouldn't StarCraft be linked to StarCraft (series) in the lead? --TheLeftorium 18:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Aye, it probably should be, I don't know why it was delinked. Its linked now. -- Sabre (talk) 18:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Is there a reason that the toys aren't included in this list? Pie is good ^{(Apple is the best)} 21:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• Two reasons mainly. Its firstly exceptionally difficult to solidly verify the toys and their details to reliable sources (this is about as good as it gets, and there's not much to really say), and the comparable featured lists that this one was based on (List of Final Fantasy media, List of Halo media) don't list toys and that sort of stuff either. I suppose its somewhat debatable to what extent toys fall under "media" as well. I've put in mention of the existance of toys in the intro, but I think that due to a lack of reliable sources to actually fully elaborate on details, individual list entries aren't necessary. -- Sabre (talk) 21:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - I actually expected this list to show up here sooner or later. But I still got a few things.

• "The series has several games which carry the main story arc: StarCraft, StarCraft: Brood War, and StarCraft II." Brood War is not a game. Further down in the lead you get it right, but it's still an inaccuracy that I'd like to see avoided.
• Both Blizzard Entertainment and Battle.net are mentioned and linked in the lead. Why create a "See also" section only for them? -- Goodraise (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Dealt with both issues. -- Sabre (talk) 19:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• For the printed media I'd find it appropriate to list the ISBNs. -- Goodraise (talk) 08:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• Done, except for where ISBN isn't valid/yet made known. -- Sabre (talk) 14:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• Ye, looks good. Though personally, I liked the "Media type" column on the outer right. -- Goodraise (talk) 14:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• Alrighty then, I switched them around. -- Sabre (talk) 14:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=921
  • http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=71169
  • http://www.en.game-ost.ru/info.php?id=450
  • http://www.blizzplanet.com/
• Current ref 49 (StarCraft the Dark Templar...) is lacking a publisher.

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=921 has been removed. Ref 49 has had the publisher field added. As for Blizzplanet, its basically a small-time Blizzard-exclusive news and fansite, see their about page. I know fansite usage is generally frowned upon, but Blizzard themselves and Blizzard-related people tend to treat as a reputable place, having conducted quite a portfolio of interviews with Blizzard employees and Blizzard authors. I've replaced two usages with an IGN source, but I think it just about meets the criteria for a reliable source when no others are available. I'll try to find some better references for the soundtrack sources, but I'll warn you that trying to find the information for the first soundtrack is rather difficult - it seems to have been sold more for the Korean market. It doesn't seem to be sold anymore, and Blizzard's store isn't held in the web archive to get a primary reference for it. I'll try to find some better references for the two soundtrack sources, but I'll warn you that trying to find the information for that is rather difficult. It doesn't seem to be sold anymore, and Blizzard's store isn't held in the web archive to get a primary reference for it. I'll remove http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=71169, as that really doesn't seem too reliable, but I think that http://www.en.game-ost.ru/info.php?id=450 may be borderline justifiable as a reliable source based on the willingness of some of the industry's composers to conduct interviews with them. Its very much scrapings at the bottom of the barrel stuff, most searches show up more for illegal torrent downloads than potentially usable source for it.-- Sabre (talk) 19:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find anything that might actually count as a more reliable source, so it looks like game-ost.ru is as good as it gets. I realise its not an ideal situation, but as I stated above, it should just about qualify as a reliable source for the purpose assigned to it in the article - ie, showing that the soundtrack in question existed. Any more developed usage than that, such as in creation and critical reception, etc, should probably be avoided. -- Sabre (talk) 23:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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Chief Justice of the Common Pleas

Seems to pass all the FL criterion. Prose is fine, references are good and list is complete and bluelinked. I used List of Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States as a template for the format on the advice of User:Choess, who should probably get a co-credit if this goes through with the amount of cleaning up he did of this article and the articles of the Chief Justices themselves. Ironholds (talk) 23:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Question: are there any more pictures of Chief Justices available to use? The top one is good, but it would be nice to have some going down the table. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  A few more, yes; are you thinking some kind of system like the List of Nobel Laureates in Literature? I'd considered it, but there (unfortunately) aren't enough to make it look halfway decent. I could probably justify nicking them from the National Portrait Gallery under the "we can't get anything anywhere else you scat-munching bitches" rationale (as you can see I'm not a fan of the NPG). Ironholds (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  Me neither actually :-) I was actually thinking along the lines of this, meaning you only need a few images. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  Ooh, pretty! Image, funfact, Image, funfact.... Ironholds (talk) 18:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC).

• More questions/comments: Why do some of the CJs have no corresponding number? Indeed, why are they numbered at all? Where was the table sourced from - there's not a single citation! You've also given exact dates for date of birth/death – why not for the terms too? Born/died may be better in two columns as well. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  You can see a source in the General Bibiliography for the list; it was put it there or reference it on every single entry. Some of the CJ's aren't numbered because they are repeat services; a justice who served as say, number 32, left and then came back shouldn't really be numbered as number 34. In many cases I don't have exact dates for the service period, I'll try to look that up. Ironholds (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  I suggest then that numbers are removed – unless they are very important? If the source is in the bibliography, it needs to be moved to the references section, and cited to. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  Fair enough on the first point. You want me to reference the article on every entry?Ironholds (talk) 18:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  Yes, is that a problem? If it's the same thing sourcing everything, just put a reference at the top or something. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  No, I'm just worried that the single list reference at the bottom is going to look rather blue, as it were. Ironholds (talk) 18:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  It'll be fine. If not, it can always be reverted. – How do you turn this on (talk) 19:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Another point: links only need linking once, especially in the table. For example, Lord Keeper of the Great Seal and Chief Justice of the King's Bench are linked at least once in the table, and it's not necessary. There are others too. – How do you turn this on (talk) 19:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Alrighty, done that. I'll get on with the images tomorrow if I have time. Ironholds (talk) 20:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I've done the images, although there aren't really enough in my opinion; any other points? Ironholds (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The position of Chief Justice was not initially an appointment"-->Initially, the position of Chief Justice was not an appointment...
• "One would become more senior and respected than his peers" How does one become more senior when they grow older at the same rate as everyone else?
• "from then onwards" Comma after this phrase also.
• "In 1875 the court was reduced to a division of the High Court of Justice, with Alexander Cockburn serving as the first Chief Justice."-->In 1875, the court was reduced to a division of the High Court of Justice; Alexander Cockburn served as the first Chief Justice.
• "The court was dissolved as a body in 1880 when the functions" Comma after 1880.
• "with John Coleridge serving as the first Chief Justice of a fully unified High Court" Make this phrase a separate sentence.
• In the table, full date ranges should have spaced en dashes: "26 May 1814–1 November 1873"-->26 May 1814 – 1 November 1873".
• Forgive my stupidity, but in the first inline citation, what does "ibid" stand for? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Normally it means a reference to a text previously mentioned; so "Mackay ibid 51", for example, would be "the same Mackay text previously mentioned, just on page 51"; it was a leftover from when I copied the reference over from the Court of Common Pleas article. Ironholds (talk) 15:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Done all of Dabomb's concerns. Ironholds (talk) 22:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Only full date ranges should have spaced en dashes, not anything else (26 May 1814 – 1 November 1873, but 1309–1326). Dabomb87 (talk) 22:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Woops, sorry! I'll doeth that now. Ironholds (talk) 06:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'm doing that. What about mixed ones? Where I have a complete date for the appointment but not for the removal, for example. Ironholds (talk) 17:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

MOSDASH says: "Spacing: All disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either one or both of the items (the New York – Sydney flight; the New Zealand – South Africa grand final; July 3, 1888 – August 18, 1940, but July–August 1940)." So yes, the ones which have one complete date and the other is just a year should still have a space. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, ta. I'm almost done. Ironholds (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright, that seems to be done; if I've missed any, poke me. Any other points? Ironholds (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• One more thing: Only image captions that are complete sentences should have full stops (periods) at the end. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Alrighty, changed; any other bits? Ironholds (talk) 23:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments from SatyrTN

• Some copyediting is needed:

As such the Chief Justice was one of the highest judicial officials in England,

• Add a comma after "such"

behind only the Lord High Chancellor and the Lord Chief Justice of the King's (or Queen's) Bench.Initially, the position of Chief Justice was not an appointment;

• Space before "Initially", and the comma after "Initially" needs to go.

of the justices serving in the court, one would become more respected than his peers, and was therefore considered the "chief" justice. The position was formalised in 1272 with the raising of Sir Gilbert of Preston to Chief Justice, and from then on, it was considered a formally appointed role similar to the positions of Chief Justice of the King's Bench and Chief Baron of the Exchequer.

• The comma after "and from then on" is unnecessary
• There are two wikilinks - "Lord Chief Justice of the King's (or Queen's) Bench" and "Chief Justice of the King's Bench" - that go to the same place, and both are redirects. This is confusing and maybe even misleading.

• The table should be sortable, with the last column unsorted. You will need to use {{sort}} for the dates.

  Done all that, but after much previewing and fooling about I can't get the sorting right. Could someone help me out? Ironholds (talk) 10:28, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• I Conditionally Support this nomination. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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Nashville Sounds team records

I am nominating this list because I beleive it is well-organized and fully meets the criteria for a Featured List. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Support from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Many of the PCL records were set on May 5–6, 2006, when the Sounds participated in a 24-inning game against the New Orleans Zephyrs which matched the longest game, in terms of innings played, in PCL history." Comma after Zephyrs. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• DONE -NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support. I have no idea what most of this stuff means, but it looks well researched and well organized. Great work. Kaldari (talk) 02:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: I would like to see maybe one or two more images, but I know they are hard to find. Suggestions include record-holders Salomon Torres, Russell Branyan, Ryan Braun, or Ray Durham. Totally not a deal-breaker, though. Great job! Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 00:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for the suggestion. I went on a quest for images for another Sounds list, but never got around to adding the applicable ones to this list. There are now 4 additional player images. I would have added more, but I wanted to keep images in the appropriate sections; spacing was also an issue. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Looks great. I did notice that you use fractions for innings pitched in one table and decimals for another. I suggest all fractions, but uniform is more important than one or the other. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

• Done. Thanks for pointing that out. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 04:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• Very nicely done! I don't understand *all* the jargon, but the list is well organized and informative. My only suggestion would be that there are places with lots of white-space. It's just a suggestion, but perhaps two tables could be placed side-by-side? But I'm not wedded to that idea - I just dislike all that open room to the right of my screen :)
• I Support this nomination. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Nobel Laureates in Physics

This is my second Nobel related list. A lot of problems that I encountered with the first one - image licensing, improper quotes, etc. have been fixed in this list, so I think it's ready to go. As always, any concerns brought forth will be addressed by me. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - excellent list. --TheLeftorium 21:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "(slightly more than €1 million, or US$1.4 million)" Source?
• I am concerned about the use of Encyclopædia Britannica, a tertiary source, to source Wikipedia, another tertiary source.
  • it's not used as a main source. Basically, it's just included because in the past I've had some people complain about having an article rely entirely on one source (especially when it's an official source), so if anyone wants confirmation, there it is.
• "In 2008, the prize was awarded Makoto Kobayashi, Toshihide Maskawa and Yoichiro Nambu " Missing a word.
  • Done.
• Random image check: Image:Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen (1845--1923).jpg needs an author and date, Image:Erwin Schrödinger.jpg has an obsolete tag, I think Image:Ketterle.jpg. Have you recruited an experienced image reviewer to confirm that the images check out?
  • Done.
• "William Lawrence Bragg is the youngest ever Nobel Laureate, he won the prize in 1915 at the age of 25." Semicolon instead of comma.
  • Done.
• "John Bardeen is the only laureate to win the prize twice, in 1956 and 1972."-->John Bardeen is the only laureate to win the prize twice, in 1956 and 1972. I think an em dash would serve better than a comma, the placement and the flow of the sentence are abrupt with the comma. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Done. Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Another blasted image review in progress

Sorry for the delay, but the literature list kept me busy. First set:

• Image:Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen (1845--1923).jpg - missing source, date, author, making license invalid
• Image:Pierre Curie (crop).png - missing date, author, making license invalid
• Image:Albert Abraham Michelson2.jpg - just because it's on other encyclopedias does not prove the license
• Image:G lippmann.jpg - without author, can't use pd-70
• Image:Ferdinand Braun.jpg - same with this one

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 03:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The first batch have all been removed. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Johannes_Diderik_van_der_Waals.jpg - wrong license, might be PD-1923 but not PD-old
  • Fixed.
• Image:Charles Glover Barkla.jpg - licensed under GFDL and claimed PD; no author, so PD-old not proper
• Image:Charles Édouard Guillaume.jpg - no source or author; god-awful image anyhow

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 03:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Second batch is done. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Niels Bohr.jpg could be cleaned up via a template, and should have PD-US in addition to the EU tag. Like this one (although that might need EU tag).
  • Done.
• Image:Niels BohrUpOwenWillansRichardsonDownSolvay1927.JPG - god, did Bohr ever change his expression?
  • Apparantly not, is there a problem with the image?
• Image:Broglie Big.jpg - can't use PD-old without an author... another tag accounting for anon author would work, I suppose.
  • What kind of template?
• Image:CVRaman.jpg - using a fair use image of a dead person is shaky in general, but using it in a list as decoration is definitely so. Remove.
  • Wow, how did I miss that? It was not put in intentionally. Removed.
• Image:180px-Werner Heisenberg.jpg - same as above.
  • Same as above. Replaced.
• Image:Erwin Schrödinger.jpg - needs more specific PD tag.
  • Like?
• Image:Chadwick.jpg lacks source, date, and author info
  • Removed.
• Image:Carl anderson.1937.jpg - page needs cleanup, and explanation of what organization took the photo (author).
• Image:Enrico Fermi 1943-49.jpg] - what's with the years after his death? Also, bad tag!
  • Done.
• Image:Isidor Isaac Rabi.jpg - date and author?
  • Removed.
• Image:Wolfgang Pauli2.jpg - missing verifiable source for license
  • Removed.
• Image:Blackett-large.jpg - real author and reason for PD?
  • Removed.

Also, as a general comment, if any of the above licenses are invalid, please mark them as copyvios on Commons so that they're gotten rid of for good. I like everything tidy :) --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 18:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Third batch is done. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

• I was bold and went through the rest of the list and removed all images that did not meet criteria for inclusion. Images should now all meet FLC critiera.

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Many Laureates do not have images by their names, but most of their respective articles do. I would like to see an image by every person. If this is accomplished then I will fully support. Reywas92^Talk 01:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I would love for every row to have an image too, but there are two main problems:
    • Any images would have to be free use images (several of the ones you've seen have likely been fair use.
    • Many of the free images out there have outdated tags, and incomplete licensing information and thus can not be used.
  • The lack of images is not due to negligence on my part, I went through every page and added whatever free image I could find. The only way I might have missed any is if they are not on the Laureate's page. If there are any free images with proper licensing out there that I have missed, then by all means please add them. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments by SatyrTN

• I'm a bit uncomfortable with the "Reason" column having each line start with three different things, either "for", "For", or "[for]". I understand the third one, but not why the others are different.
  • Each quotation is a copy of the Nobel website. Most of them start out with "for", but some don't, so for uniformity, [for] was added. As for the capitalization, I can go through and fix that. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
• I still feel these lists should be sortable. I know I'm "outnumbered" on this one, but there ya go.
• Oppose unless it's made sortable. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Could you please point out where in the criteria it says that lists need to be sortable? I am not a big fan of making it more cumbersome and repetitive simply so it will be sortable. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Veronica Mars episodes

Cornucopia and I have been cleaning this up for a while, and have recently concluded a peer review. Since Veronica Mars is off the air, the list is comprehensive and complete. We're seeking formal recognition for the list, and anticipate resolving any lingering issues in this process. Jclemens (talk) 04:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support, looks great.--Music26/11 16:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

You need to offer more than that for it to carry any weight. Matthewedwards 00:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "PCH biker gang" Write in full on first use, so that non-So-Cal residents what the PCH is Done
• "Southern California seaside town" I've never heard "seaside" in So-Cal.. How about "coastal" or "beach"? Done
• Use EpisodeNumber= and EpisodeNumber2= from {{episode list}} for the series and episode numbers, which will negate "(1-01)", which doesn't make sense Done
  • I went ahead and deleted the (s-ep) numbering, since the airing order is consistent with the production code. Jclemens (talk) 03:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
• {{episode list}} has been modified so that instead of using Aux1= and Aux2=, you should use DirectedBy= and WrittenBy. Entries will have to be reversed though, because it forces the Directors column to appear before Writers column Done
• For the viewing figures, use Aux4= rather than Aux3=, which will place them after the airdate. This makes more sense because the viewing figures occurred as a result of it airing. Entries will have to be reversed, don't forget Done
• Episode summaries could do with being expanded. They seem more like teasers at the moment. See Wikipedia:Plot_summaries and WP:PLOTSUM Done
  • Clarifying question: What's another article that you consider a good model for total length in plot summaries? Jclemens (talk) 01:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

The_Simpsons (season 9), The_Simpsons (season 8), (any of The Simpsons lists, actually), The O.C. (season 3), Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 7), Blue Heelers (season_13), and The Office (US TV series) season 3 are pretty good. They've been promoted recently, so they'll indicate the lengths that are okay.

Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 1), List of Desperate Housewives episodes and List of Stargate SG-1 episodes were promoted some time ago and need a bit of attention. Matthewedwards 04:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Working on the tables now. Jclemens (talk) 04:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the plot summaries, do you mean that they are too short, or that some contain vague sentences. I think the length of the summaries are good as-is, it's just the vague parts that need to be cleared up. Is that reasonable? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 06:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I have increased the length of all summaries to two or more lines, and I have cleared up any vague sentences. Are the summaries fine now? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 12:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Matthewedwards 00:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Understood. I'll get on those tonight. Jclemens (talk) 01:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

More comments

• Please follow encyclopedic WP:TONE. "dad", "kid", "cops", and "couple of" should be "father", "student", "police (or sheriffs)", something more specific done
• Specialist words such as "bumfights", should be wikilinked done
• "who took pictures of her and sent them to her mother and the Moon Calf Collective" needs refactoring.. the pictures weren't sent to the Moon Calf Collective done
• "Rap producer" sentence case done
• "Veronica finds out that her mother left rehab, asks her to leave town." is not a complete sentence done
• "bus' driver" --> "bus driver" done
• That's all I've caught, you could try to enlist a copy editor from Wikipedia:Peer_review/volunteers. I've also found User:Scartol and User:97198 to be good. Matthewedwards 00:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the feedback. I've gone through the entire list again and found and fixed several more issues. How important do you judge the necessity of an outside copyeditor at this point? Jclemens (talk) 04:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

I've reviewed this list (mostly because my girlfriend would be horrified if I didn't, she's a huge fan) in its entirety, only some little things to fix.

• Section headers (year ranges) should use en-dashes instead of hyphens. Done
• In the lead, correct the following: "The second season decreased to an average of 2.3 million viewers, however it included the series' highest rated episode with 3.6 million viewers."→"The second season decreased to an average of 2.3 million viewers; however, it included the series' highest rated episode with 3.6 million viewers." Done
• "high-school"→"high school" Done
• "The CW President"→president Done

Otherwise, very well done, well-constructed and well-organized. This list meets the criteria and is definitely worthy of promotion. Cheers. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 23:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• As my comments have been resolved, I support this excellent candidate for promotion. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your review and kind words. Please let me know if I've missed anything. Jclemens (talk) 01:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • http://www.gpstore.com.au/News/Archive/9850.html
  • http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/799359
    • Both these sources are Australian DVD retailers. They are being used solely to support the DVD release dates in Australia. Gameplanet is a retailer that has been in business since 2002. EZDVD since 1999. Absent any online catalog of DVD availability dates, this is the best evidence we've been able to find to verify release dates. The S2 DVDs also appear within the context of other DVDs for Australian release inSeptember 2008. Is that sufficiently reliable for this purpose? Jclemens (talk) 17:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
• http://www.mediavillage.com/jmentr/2005/07/22/web-07-22-05/ deadlinked
  • Done restored via Internet archive. Jclemens (talk) 19:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Balancing murder mystery, high school and college drama"-->A balance of murder mystery, high school and college drama... Done
• "introduced in the first episode of the season and solved in the finale."-->in which the conflict is introduced in the first episode of the season and solved in the finale. Done
• "In September 2008, Entertainment Weekly's Michael Ausiello reported that Thomas still planned to make a film, even though he was busy with other projects." The second comma is not needed. Done
• "which would likely involve Veronica solving crime in college"-->in which Veronica would likely solve crime in college. Done
• "Thomas has had a meeting with DC Comics to talk about a Veronica Mars comic book series." "talk about"-->discuss. Done

More comments later. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I've made the corrections as suggested. Jclemens (talk) 16:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Veronica starts her Junior year at Neptune High by freeing new student Wallace Fennel" Why is "Junior" capitalized? Done
• "Celeste Kane hires Keith to follow her husband Jake, and Veronica stakes out a seedy motel where he meets an unseen woman." Who is "he"? Done
• "hallucinates"-->dreams of.
  • Going to rewatch this episode. I'm pretty sure it's actually an hallucination, not a dream. Jclemens (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• "When Veronica's pregnant neighbor Sarah goes missing," "goes missing"-->disappears. Done
• "goes missing" Same as above. Done
• "Paris Hilton guest stars." As who? Done
  • "Aaron tries to grieves after Lynn's suicide, but Logan thinks that he is faking." Done
    • Disagree with this one. Aaron turns out to be a psychopath, and the insincerity of his grief is actually a plot point. Jclemens (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Veronica also has to contend with a classmate who is getting mysteriously harassed." "getting"-->being. Done
• "Logan tries to save Veronica, and they end up kissing." Is he successful? Done--I think. tries->intervenes should clarify that sufficiently, I think. Jclemens (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
• "as it was the same drug used on her prior to her rape at Shelly Pomroy's party." "prior to"-->before. Done
• "surviver"-->survivor. Done
• "When blame for the bus crash lands on the driver,"-->When the bus driver is blamed for the crash.. Done
• "He asks Keith to run for Sheriff, and he accepts after seeing Sheriff Lamb's investigation of the bus crash case. Kevin Smith guest stars. " Who accepts? Who does Smith guest star as? Done
• "but finds no skeletons in his closet" Don't use unclear idioms, be more straightforward. Done
• "Veronica learns that Terrence Cook, Jackie's father, has a lot of gambling debt, and is being blackmailed by Sheriff Lamb. Veronica finds a voice mail message left by someone on the bus crash which suggests an explosion caused the bus crash. Veronica shows it to Keith, who does not go public with the message, and instead gives it to Sheriff Lamb." Use something other than "Veronica" to start one of the sentences, mix up the sentence starts. Done rewrore most of the paragraph.
• "Joss Whedon guest stars." As who? Done
• "He tells Keith of his plan of incorporating the wealthy part of Neptune, which would widen the divide between the rich and the poor."-->He tells Keith of his plan to incorporate the wealthy part of Neptune, which would widen the gap between the rich and the poor. Done

I will finish the comments later. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for your excellent feedback. Jclemens (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• "She also learns that the bridge witness, Dr. Griffith"—"She also learns"-->"Veronica learns". Done
• "a case involving two "09er" boys versus a poor Hispanic woman"—"versus"-->against. Done
• "Logan flirts with sophomore Hannah, the daughter"-->Logan flirts with Hannah, the sophomore daughter... Done
• "Feeling guilty for not helping her, Veronica sets herself to catching the rapist." The wording is not correct here. Done--reworded
• "no one was going to believe them as a suspect." "as"-->to be. Done
• "the party is robbed Point Break-style" Can we have a term that is more understandable to all readers? Done
• "and no hair or DNA from the rapist has ever been found at the crime scenes" "has"-->had. Done
• "Mercer is arrested after Parker recognizes his cologne as that of the rapist"-->Mercer is arrested after Parker recognizes his cologne to be the rapist's... Done
• "Patty Hearst guest stars. " As who? Done
• "In order to salvage their friendship, Logan dumps Veronica as a girlfriend" Done
• "but Logan gets stuck babysitting an eleven year old girl"-->but Logan has to babysit an eleven year old girl instead. Done
• "DC Comics to talk about a Veronica Mars comic book series"-->DC Comics to discuss the a proposed Veronica Mars comic book series. Done

Dabomb87 (talk) 04:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for the detailed feedback. Do you have additional ideas for the two suggestions I disagreed with? Jclemens (talk) 05:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Side-issue (not really) can you merge&redirect all the episodes to this list? The episodes, asides from the premieres and finales are completely not noticeable and should be only limited to this list. Nergaal (talk) 10:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I am currently working on the individual episodes, so they will be kept for now. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 07:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments from SatyrTN

• The only concern I have is that the final paragraphs probably belong in the main article, but not in the *list*. Other than that, the list looks good.
• Support this nomination. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
• Support but please add a hatnote-link for season 3 to this LoE. I am neutral on the inclusion of the the section "Cancellation and future". When/If all seasons get articles though, it can/should be reconsidered if each season intro in this LoE really needs to be this long (I am fine with this now as this LoE also serves as a season overview beyond its LoE purpose). – sgeureka ^t•c 08:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Understood. Ideally, we will be breaking out all three seasons and make corresponding changes to this list when those articles go live, too. Jclemens (talk) 17:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of mergers and acquisitions by Microsoft

previous FLC

This is a massive, massive list. I submitted it seven months ago; it failed. This is what it looked like before. It has come a long way since then. Gary King (talk) 20:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - This is downright massive. Definitely featured list material. My only question is - do you have anymore prose? The whole body is chart.Mitch32^(UP) 21:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I pretty much bombarded the lead with prose. I think it's enough. Gary King (talk) 21:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - Prose checks out fine, so does the list and sources to my knowledge to meet WP:WIAFL, good work on such a massive list.--S_RX 14:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• No need of linking in the caption when you have already linked to those places in the lead.
• "and acquired 18 in firms in 2006"—What is an "in firm"?
• "including: UMT-Software and IP Assets, MotionBridge, Seadragon Software, Apptimum, Onfolio, Lionhead Studios, AssetMetrix, Massive Incorporated, Vexcel, DeepMetrix, ProClarity, iView Multimedia, Winternals Software, Whale Communications, Gteko, DesktopStandard, Colloquis, and Accipiter Solutions." Do you need to list every company? If you do, then "including" is the wrong word. See Wikipedia:MOS#Subset terms. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 17:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of mergers and acquisitions by Condé Nast

Gary King (talk) 18:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Comment

• The only thing that was brought to my attention was This acquisition was described as a "a perfect fit" with Condé Nast's other magazines, especially Gourmet and House & Garden, because of Knapp's magazines such as Architectural Digest and Bon Appétit. - because the word "especially" makes it sound like the editor's POV.
• You link some publishers, link the others for consistency.--S_RX 18:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 18:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my comments were addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 19:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • One of my biggest problems with lists like these is that there is no general ref (at least from reliable sources). So while you can piece together a list through various refs, there is no definitive source that proves the list is 100% complete. Is there any chance such a ref would exist?
  • Also, instead of having [note #], would it be better to instead use [A], [B], etc.? That's what I do when I have to use notes and it usually works pretty good.
  • Would it be possible to add a note explaining why some rows don't have a value (I'm assuming it's because those amounts were never disclosed, but it should be mentioned). I believe I actually brought this up in a previous FLC for a similar list.
• Either way, it's not a bad looking (albeit shorter than I like to see) list. -- Zombie Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I've added a general reference; every acquisition listed there is also listed here. I prefer using the numbers for notes; whichever is used is based on personal preference rather than any policy, really. I've added a note about missing values. Also, if you think this is short, wait until you see List of mergers and acquisitions by Microsoft ;) Gary King (talk) 19:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Meets all criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of mergers and acquisitions by Red Hat

Gary King (talk) 14:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - since you link other publishers in the references, the Red Hat publisher should be linked to, in order to be consistent, other than that, the list meets WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 15:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Red Hat has not released the value for most of these mergers and acquisitions." "value"-->financial details.
• "with Young serving as chief executive officer"—It's that awkward "with + -ing" structure again.
• In the Notes section, Red Hat is overlinked.
• In the business section, spell out what IT stands for, or at least link it. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 14:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment - I have to say that I don't really understand the divestment/divestiture section. You describe a divestment as when "parts of the company are sold to another company", and I know that this happens fairly often, usually because the subsidiary or division in question is not deemed to be 'core'. However I don't believe that another company taking a stake (i.e. buying shares) in Red Hat is the same thing at all. Most times the company whose shares are being bought has no say in the matter whereas the other items in this list are under their control. Am I missing something here? Boissière (talk) 22:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

The stock purchased by other companies was not acquired from the public; it was acquired through a private placement, so there was a mutual agreement between the companies. Also, the reference that I use lists these acquisitions as divestments when viewed from the primary company; that would be Red Hat in this case. Gary King (talk) 03:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I wandered if it was something like that. I must admit I am slightly puzzled how the amount of stock bought can be kept secret if Red Hat is a public quoted company (which I presume it is) but perhaps that discussion is not relevant to this FLC. I would still say that it is a different thing from selling off a subsidiary or division. You also need to sort out whether the term 'divestment' or 'divestiture' is right. Boissière (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The financial website that I used as the reference uses the term "divestment" consistently. Gary King (talk) 20:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

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Rage Against the Machine discography

After a "little" cleanup, I think this ready for the battle. Cannibaloki 18:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review by SRX

Review by SrX

• Rage Against the Machine is a Los Angeles-based band formed in 1991 by Zack de la Rocha, Tom Morello, Tim Commerford and Brad Wilk. - it should state in parenthesis who plays what in the band.
  • Don't added these details before, because I thought someone would ask me to remove them.
• The band is noted for its blend of rap, heavy metal, punk and funk as well as its revolutionary politics and lyrics. - how about The band is noted for it's blend of rap, heavy metal, punk, and funk; it is also known for it's revolutionary politics and lyrics.
  • Reworded.
• The full-length spawned the singles "Killing in the Name", "Freedom", "Bombtrack" and "Bullet in the Head". - full-length? Was the self named album full length, if so it should be noted before this sentence.
• Five singles were released from the album, the most successful being "Bulls on Parade". - how is "Bulls of Parade" most successful? Should be stated and sourced.
  • I removed the two sentences, even with references, sounds very strange and not add anything to in the text.
• Tables look fine, all publishers in the refs that can be linked need to be wikilinked.--S_RX 21:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Added only on the first occurrence. Cannibaloki 01:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Wrong, they all should be linked, you can't guarantee that the first occurrence of the ref will be clicked.--S_RX 15:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Hmmmm, done. Cannibaloki 20:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - my review was resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 21:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The band is noted for it's"—"it's"-->its.
  • Fixed.
• "whilst"-->although or while.
  • Fixed.
• "Their next full-length" Full length what?
  • Reworded.
• "The Battle of Mexico City, a video album composed of a recording of a 1999 live performance in Mexico City, saw release in 2001, and 2003 saw the release of a live album titled Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium, an edited recording of the band's final two concerts on September 12 and 13, 2000 at the Grand Olympic Auditorium."-->The Battle of Mexico City, a video album composed of a recording of a 1999 live performance in Mexico City, was released in 2001. In 2003, a live album titled Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium was released. It was an edited recording of the band's final two concerts on September 12 and 13, 2000 at the Grand Olympic Auditorium.
  • Reworded.
• Could some information about the lone see also link, 2001 Clear Channel memorandum, be integrated into the article? Dabomb87 (talk) 03:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Information about this fact were added, now it is up to you ascertain whether this same information are well written. =P Cannibaloki 15:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I fixed the minor grammar issues, but I want to know how the memorandum affected the band's future albums and songwriting. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Well, this happened when the band had already split, so I tried even if some of the members spoke something about, but so far not found anything. If you have something talking about this, please help me!
        • It's fine as is. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
          • Okay, thanks for help and ideas. Cannibaloki 01:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
• "Their first release was 1992's eponymous Rage Against the Machine"-->They released their debut album, the eponymous Rage Against the Machine album, in 1992;... Dabomb87 (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Done. Cannibaloki 21:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note I did not evaluate the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of mergers and acquisitions by Dell

Gary King (talk) 00:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - the only thing I have to say is that you should link Dell, since you link the other publishers in the references, but other than that, the prose and tables look fine and meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• Current ref 1 (Dell, Michael...) needs a page number

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 18:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support I made a couple of minor fixes, but otherwise this article is ready for promotion. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - Looks solid. I only checked a sample of the sources, but the ones I checked looked fine. I thought the article was insufficiently linked, so I created a few internal links to articles; someone might want to tweak some of my links. --Orlady (talk) 03:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by S.H.E

If it can get one support, I'm sure it can get two. Or three. Preferably more. Pandacomics (talk) 04:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support per previous nom. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
• Weak SupportComment I think Template:Zh icon should be used for all Chinese references.—Chris! _ct 23:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

But with the use of the citeweb template, isn't that already done? (All Chinese-language refs in the References section have "in Chinese" in brackets.) Pandacomics (talk) 00:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I still prefer the Zh icon template since I think the refs would look better that way.—Chris! _ct 02:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note I did not evaluate the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Nobel Laureates in Literature

Another Nobel laureates list. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 00:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

"Restart", nothing negative, but not enough to reach consensus
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Wow, I have only read books by two of those authors (Lord of the Flies by William Golding and several of Winston Churchill's books, although I have read some of the poems by Kipling and Yeats). Anyway, I would have preferred that you wait until the Chemistry one was finished, because some of the kinks in it are still being worked out. -- Scorpion0422 01:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Most of the concerns appear as if they have been addressed. The image issue looks like the only one that's remaining, and I'm fairly confident I can address any issues that come up. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 01:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Comments I copyedited the article and left some inline comments. Gary King (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Comment As an article, good work. The only issue I found was a hyphen used in a year range, which I changed to an en dash. However, I cannot support until the images have been checked. As an example Image:T-mommsen-2.jpg has a deprecated tag. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC) I replaced that particular image, and I'll try to find an image reviewer. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 02:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Comment Sources look good. It'd be nice if the entire article didn't rely on one source, however. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 15:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Comment Have you gone through and made sure that all of the nationalities match the Nobel website? Random users tend to change them, so if you haven't, you probably should. -- Scorpion0422 01:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC) Finished double checking. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 22:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC) What is the status on the images? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC) Eco told me that he would do the images a while ago, but he's been busy. I've asked him again here, and I'm awaiting a response. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 03:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried contacting David Fuchs for an image check? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Did so. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Sigh... there was a time when I wasn't known as an image guy and people didn't ask me about such things. What the hell happened? :P Anyhow, since this is such a pain in the ass and I'm playing DotA with some friends at the same time, I'll go in stages:
  • Image:Carducci.jpg - needs author and date so we can verify PD.
    • Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 00:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Image:Gerhart Hauptmann.jpg - image needs description, et al, redundant copy of image
    • Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 00:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Image:Karl Gjellerup.jpg - has no author.
    • Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 00:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Image:Carl spitteler 1905.jpg - same as above.
    • Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 00:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 20:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

That's it for that batch. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 00:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I've added more images in an attempt to be helpful. Feel free to shout at me if this was a bad idea. Ironholds (talk) 23:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Yeah, a bad idea. So many of the images of the supposedly "free" images on Commons have bad sources and assertions of permission (PD 70+ being the most common for our case) that it's hard to find a good image. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 00:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Grrr when checking the articles of the guys without images, about half of them did have an image there. Why isn't it here too? Nergaal (talk) 00:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Because the sources/permissions are bad or nonexistent. They're not used for a reason. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Images, Part II:

• Image:Wyczolkowski-portretReymonta.jpg - author for license?

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:SinclairLewis1930.jpg contradictory license

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:John galsworthy.jpg wrong license (no author)

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:FransEemilSillanpää.jpg duplicate licenses

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 21:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it for that bunch. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 19:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Part III:

• Image:Russell1907-2.jpg - since we don't have the author and it wasn't from 1730 or something, I don't think the PD-Art tag can apply.

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 01:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Juan Ramón Jiménez.jpg - deadlinks, don't know if the author-death applies

• Replaced. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 01:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Albert Camus, gagnant de prix Nobel, portrait en buste, posé au bureau, faisant face à gauche, cigarette de tabagisme.jpg - unsure about the claim, as there's no OTRS or similar verification.

• Added permission. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 01:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Sholokhov-1938.jpg no date of author death

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 01:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Eyvindj.gif no indication of date of publication.

• Cut. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 01:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

All other images check out. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 20:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it for that batch. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 01:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think that the images all meet criteria now. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 03:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Support My issues have been resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Support - I'd like to see it featured. Irregulargalaxies (talk) 03:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Bleach episodes (season 6)

Nominating another episode list. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 11:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "and enters the real world world" I assume the repetition was not intentional.

• Fixed fixed. :) — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Kon continues to flee from the Grand Fisher, despite receiving help from Lirin, Kurōdo, and Noba, he is caught." First comma should be a semicolon.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Kisuke Urahara appears and converses with Isshin concerning the arrancar under the command of former Soul Reaper captain Sōsuke Aizen, and the Visoreds." "concerning"-->about, I think.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Ikkaku fights Edorad, who is forced to release his zanpakutō after failing to predict Ikkaku's unorthodox fighting style." "predict" is not the right word, maybe counter or anticipate? (depending on the meaning)

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Hitsugaya fights Shawlong, who overpowers him despite the fact" "despite the fact"-->even though.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Matsumoto receives confirmtion"—typo.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• "100,000 human souls in Karakura Town to create a key to the dimension the King of Soul Society lives in, and overthrow the king.At Urahara's shop, Chad is fighting against Renji's bankai as training, and Ishida trains with his father under Karakura Hospital." Space after the period, inconsistent tense ("fighting...as training" but "trains").

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Matsumoto and Shōta mange"—typo.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 03:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note that I did not evaluate the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support prose and sources all look good, and its in keeping with the other Bleach episode FLs. Only minor nit pick is that I think that should be 21st not 21th? :-P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments:

• In the lead, "Rolling star" → "Rolling Star" and "ALONES" → "Alones": per WP:MOS-JA#Capitalization of words in Roman script, WP:MOS-JA#Titles of books, CDs, movies, etc., and related guidelines, titles should use English title casing, and not only an initial cap or all caps.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Check the episode titles for title casing, as well.
  • Related to this, I believe the current opinion of those well-versed in MOS-JA is to title case rōmaji as titles as well, as they are also English, but I could be wrong.
    • I'm not sure what the current consensus is there, but you're free to adjust the title casing to what you believe is appropriate. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
• Episode 122 EnglishTitle: "Vizard" → "Visored", to match the rest of the list.

• Fixed. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

—tan³ tx 19:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Think that's it. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 20:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed English casing and one instance of name order, changed rōmaji to title case; no other objections. Support. —tan³ tx 02:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of Philadelphia Phillies team records

previous FLC (07:25, 17 September 2008)

As before, I am nominating this list because:

1. I believe it meets the FL criteria.
2. it is a unique list and a unique topic.
3. this list could be a guide for others wishing to create lists of this type.

Because of its unique nature, this list was peer reviewed before nomination. To read the reviewers' input, please go here. In addition, this article has a previous FLC nomination, archived above. In response to the concerns which I was not able to deal with 1 month ago due to moving, I have removed sort facilities from this article because they seem to be more of a hindrance than a help. It would be sorting apples and oranges anyway at this point. Thanks in advance! KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The 1915 Phillies, first of the franchise to make the postseason" This image caption doesn't make sense.

• Changed. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

• "Hitting streak in one season and hitting streak over two seasons are considered two separate records by Major League Baseball." Add His before "Hitting". Dabomb87 (talk) 16:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• That doesn't make sense to me. "Hitting streak in one season" is the name of the record; there's no possessive pronoun necessary. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

Comments from blackngold

• Intro needs non-breaking spaces on numbers followed by units (ie 19,035 games, etc.)

• Done. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Lowercase "c" in Triple crown, per article title.

• Actually, because of title rules in the programming of WP, neither need to be capitalized. Done. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Statistics are current through 2007 season..." do any need updated? If not change to "2008 season".

• My B. Thought I got all the articles updated. Done. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
• That's all I got, it's a pretty simple list, but well put together. Blackngold29 17:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Yet another good Phillies list. Blackngold29 17:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks! Cheers from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

Resolved comments by NatureBoyMD

Comments from NatureBoyMD (talk · contribs)

• It looks great, but I'd really like to see some sorting. It would be nice to be able to sort so you could quickly see how many records are held by the same player, how many records were set in the same year, etc. All you'd need to do is take out the reference row and convert it to a short sentence with a citation at the top of the section. Or, you could just put the citation in the table header by "Statistic" or "Record".-NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• I'll take a look at it, but to be honest, I doubt my ability to get it right. Somebody explained the sortname template to me last time, but I still don't understand it. Apparently using the MLBY template screws something up, so that's going to require a huge amount of recoding. There's also the issue of the career tables; what year do they get sorted by!? I don't mind taking out the colspans, not a problem at all, but there are lots of other issues to be considered. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 13:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• You might be interested in looking at another current FLC: Nashville Sounds team records. There, I've got career record years sorted by the player's first season. Sorting by years there probably isn't as important as it would be in the other tables. You might want to replace the MLBY template with the hardcoded [[YYYY in baseball|YYYY]]; it would be a chore, but I see it as a relatively easy fix. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually it would have to be changed to [[YYYY Major League Baseball season|YYYY]], but I haven't been able to find any problems with the sorting using MLBY yet. It was mentioned to me in the previous FLC. I will take a look at it tomorrow evening (I won't have time before then because of plans tonight) and see what I can do. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 18:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I've fixed it. Take a look; let me know. Thanks! KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - It looks good to me. Nice work! -NatureBoyMD (talk) 18:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks! Cheers from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

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The Office (US TV series) season 4

previous FLC (03:15, 20 October 2008)

Is it ready? Nergaal (talk) 01:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - this strikes me more as an article than a list. Have you considered taking it to FAC? –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the FA people would welcome such a huge table; anyways, the previous 3 seasons are FLs. Nergaal (talk) 02:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• The bolding in the lead is not necessary.

is it discouraged though? Nergaal (talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

If what is bolded is not the exact repetition of the page title, yes. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

ok

• "refused to cross the picket line." This is in the lead, be more clear.

now?

I was referring to defining what crossing the picket line means. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

now?

• "The DVD set contains all 14 episodes, as well as commentaries from creators, writers, actors, and directors on some of the episodes, while also containing deleted scenes from all of the episodes, as well as bloopers and other promos." Split this sentence up.
• "the two of whom are executive producers on both versions." "two of whom"-->both of whom. What are "both versions"?
• "Season four featured fourteen episodes" Is there any way to fix this distracting alliteration?
• "directed by eleven different directors."
• "While The Office was mainly filmed on a studio set at Valley Center Studios..." "While"-->Although.
• The last paragraph of the Production section does not flow well.

I bet it is an OR added by a random user - so I chopped it off. Nergaal (talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• "pop culture obsessed" hyphenate "pop-culture"
• "The fourth season premiere "Fun Run" received a 5.1/12" Is this referring to the share?
• "While the episode "Job Fair" received the lowest number of viewers for the season, at 7.2 million,[31] it and the episode following it, the season finale "Goodbye Toby" both" Comma after "Toby".

I will review the episode summaries later. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Except for the ones where I replied, all the comments should be solved now. Nergaal (talk) 03:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Now broken up from Karen" Who broke up with Karen?
• "Jim and Pam announce they are dating" Insert that before "they".
• "The race is won by Toby"-->Toby wins the race...
• "As the new brainchild of Ryan, the new Dunder Mifflin Infinity website is about to be released, the staff of Dunder Mifflin Scranton prepare to host a party as part of a company-wide video chat room." Split this sentence up.
• "Later, at the party, Dwight and Michael take a hostage in the form of a pizza delivery boy, although they later release him."-->Later, at the party, Dwight and Michael kidnap a pizza delivery boy, although they later release him.
• "revealing that he only said he had leave to try to get a raise." Are you sure this is right?
• "Michael and Dwight decide to surprise Ryan in New York for a night of clubbing and meet his friends." You can't surprise someone "for" a night of clubbing. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

updated all of these, how is it now? Nergaal (talk) 18:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support, great list, Jaespinoza (talk) Today, 12:46 am (UTC-4)

Resolved issues, Mitch32^(UP)

• Comments -

1. Shouldn't "season" be capitalized in the title?

   I don't thinks so but I might be wrong. All the other season lists I've seen are uncapitalized. Nergaal (talk) 01:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

2. Is it possible to get references in for each episode?

   That should not be necessary since (1) the plots don't require refs, and (2) all the episodes articles in this list are allready GAs, which means they are already adequately referenced, and those refs are found in their respective articles. Nergaal (talk) 01:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

3. Is it possible to bold "fourth season" in the lead?

   One of the previous reviewers specifically asked to remove the bloding. Nergaal (talk) 01:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

4. Is Reference 5 a reliable source? I don't believe, personally that it is.

   Nice spotting there! I switched it with the official site. Nergaal (talk) 01:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

5. De-bold the episode names in the chart - Bold blue links violate MOS and policy I think.

   I don't think this should be an issue since the table uses the same template as any other FL about seasons; this means that all the other similar FLs out there have the same issue. Nergaal (talk) 01:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I will support when things are solved. Good luck.Mitch32^(UP) 22:16, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Then I support - good job.Mitch32^(UP) 01:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments from SatyrTN

• This looks like a mashup of a list and an article. The paragraphs of text are longer than the actual list itself. Are the first three sections (Production, Cast, and Reception) specific to the season? I believe those sections are overwhelming the actual Episode List. Season 3 has half as much lede text as list, Season 2 and Season 1 seem to suffer the same as this one. I recognize that all three of those reached FL status, but IMO that's a shame :)

Let's see "The fourth season premiere "Fun Run" received a 5.1/12 share in the Nielsen Ratings among viewers aged 18 to 49..." Your are right it refers to a completely different subject. Nergaal (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• The two columns "Directors" and "Writer(s)" - please pick one format or the other.

That was typo. Nergaal (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• The "Notes" section is missing, denoting what "‡" and "†" mean.

This shows how much attention you actually paid while reading the article. Go check it again and maybe you will find it this time. Nergaal (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• I know I'll be a lone wolf here, but even though this is well written and comprehensive, and even though the list itself is in great shape, I can't support what seems to me to be more of an article than a list.

Do you seriously believe that anybody at the FAC will accept the table as a part of an FA?? Nergaal (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - I am actually confused. I don't really understand the opinion of the above oppose. The user states that the list is more of an article, but how about these FL's: Lost (season 4), 30 Rock (season 2) and The O.C. (season 3)? They too have information other than the list. I am also working on a season list which is very similar to this one, and I would hate really dislike it if someone opposed it for having to much information. After all, isn't that a good thing? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 00:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  • And I'm sorry if I'm sounding rude or harsh, it's just that I'm confused. :-) Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 00:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
    • As Cornucopia pointed out, this page matches the typical list format of the season pages. There is only one season article to my knowledge that is FA (Smallville (season 1)), and if you compare that page to this page you get a stark difference in format and information. This page, which includes something that I generally don't agree with or think is necesssary, takes things that could easily be presented in list format and puts them in sentences. In other words, when you read stuff like "Production", what you really find is a list of the people and studios involved in making the show (mainly that first paragraph). One thing I mentioned to Cornucopia on their talk page is the reusing of information from page to page. Why do we need to introduce the same series regulars with such detail on every Office related page? This is a daughter article of a larger parent article, and the parent article should be identifying characters. Anyone coming to season four's page is likely to know who the characters are. Unless the characters are new this season, the section is really unnecessary and seems to be used to bloat the page's size. Lastly, why are the episodes the last thing on the page? The page is about these episodes, so it would beg the idea that they should be first. I don't know why there was a restructing of season pages to have the episodes listed last, but it seems counterproductive to the concept of what the page is about (and that is the episodes of this season).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
      • I mostly agree with Bignole here, although I'm struggling to see what the thing is that he finds unnecessary. This is a list. The "prose" could easily be presented in list format, it just isn't. As for putting the actual list of episodes first, I haven't seen that in any FL, only in the Smallville FA. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
        • What I find to be unnecessary is the repetative issuing of information in each of the pages (and sometimes within the page itself). Do I need to know there were 11 different directors that worked this season (even listing them out), when all I have to do is scroll down and count for myself? It seems like we're treating the reader like an invalid that cannot discern particular information for themselves. Does the reader need a reminder of who the same series regulars have been for four seasons? Stating who is a series regular can be done in the lead. The detail about who they are is covered in multiple pages that act as a parent to this one. Why are we repeating information from the main article about where the show is filmed? So much information is being repeated over and over again on each page, it's unnecessary. Unless there is something special about this season, there is no need to repeat yourself. The first two paragraphs of "Production" are repititious to the primary article, and that is what I'm calling "unnecessary". The Writers' Strike stuff is good, and should be kept most definitely. It's the stuff before that that is needless. If someone is reading each of the season pages, why would they want read the same stuff over and over again each time they move on to the next page.
        • As for the format of the page. As I said, I don't know why editors started putting the episode table at the bottom, it makes no sense when the page is supposed to be about the episodes of this season. Once it started it seemed to become an epidemic because more editors wanted to get season articles created and to FL so they just followed suit with what the first one did.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
          • One of the main issues with this would be an ever-divided opinion on what is "Comprehensive", as loosely defined by the FL criteria. Because of the many FLs that include wide sections of prose on cast and production, many would believe that removing these would prevent the article from being Comprehensive. I must say that I follow this opinion also. Mastrchf (^t/_c) 13:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
            • It is comprehensive for the season that you are trying to attain, not comprehensive for the entire show. Comprehensive means "covers all major aspects", but that isn't the same as "repeats the same information on 5 pages". It's fluff, that's what it is. Why people feel the need to add "fluff" to pages is beyond me. What is relevant and comprehensive to season four of this topic is the reception of the topic, what the topic is about, and if there were any changes during this season. Restating the same tired information over and over again has nothing to do with comprehensiveness of season four of this show. You're attributing generalized information about the show to this specific season, and you shouldn't be doing that. Articles should be comprehensive but succinct.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
              • Unfortunately, I'm quite sure most do not treat the season pages as articles of a series. I feel that it's to the ease of the reader to keep each of the sections in, and then let the reader select what they wish to or don't wish to read. I understand completely what you mean, and I too feel that it can be a bit repetitive, but It's not as if the reader is "forced" to read any part. Mastrchf (^t/_c) 22:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
• Question: of all 4 of you guys commenting here, mind voting pro or against the present state of the list? Nergaal (talk) 16:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Opinion has not been decided. FLs, just like FAs, are discussions and not votes.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Sure, but this is the 3rd nomination and while I believe all the comments have been solved, editors still stay away from voting...... Nergaal (talk) 03:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
• Support - Thought I disagree with the structure and the repetition, I recognize that this is an issue with all of these similar pages, that should not hinder any single upcoming page that is modeling them. It's well sourced and written.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of St. Louis MetroLink stations

My first FLC. I used List of Bay Area Rapid Transit stations and List of Vancouver SkyTrain stations as templates for this list. --Millbrooky (talk) 01:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments by SRX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)/Weak oppose - oppose per prose.

• Prose
  • Serving over 67,000 passengers a day, MetroLink is one the largest light-rail systems in the United States in terms of ridership. - "one the?"
  • MetroLink began service July 31, 1993 with the opening of the Red Line segement from North Hanley to 5th & Missouri. - "began service July?" you mean "on July?"
  • The first expansion, known as the St. Clair County Extension, was completed May 5, 2001 with the extension of the Red Line to Belleville, Illinois and, two years later, to Scott Air Force Base. - "was completed May?" you mean "on May?" Also, no need for comma after "and" and "later."
  • The second major expansion, the Cross County Extension completed August 26, 2006 and now known as the Blue Line, added a new branch to the system from the Forest Park-DeBaliviere station to Shrewsbury-Lansdowne I-44 via Clayton, Missouri. - 1)comma after "Cross County Extension." 2)Also, you need to add "was" before "completed." 3)+ you need to add an "on" before the date 4)Reword to The second major expansion, the Cross County Extension, was completed on August 26, 2006, which added the extension of the Blue Line from the Forest Park-Debaliviere and Shrewsbury-Lansdowne I-44 stations in Clayton, Missouri.
  • 28 stations are served by the Red Line and 24 stations are served by the Blue line with 15 stations served by both lines. - comma after Blue line.
  • You need to be consistent, is it "Blue l'ine" or "Blue Line"?
• Tables look fine.--S_RX 15:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Figured the prose would be my downfall. Anyways, I made the changes you pointed out. The only thing I did differently was the reword on your fourth point as the Blue Line did not exist prior to the "extension," nor is it technically correct (8 miles, 7 cities traversed). I'm still thinking about better ways to phrase this mouthful. --Millbrooky (talk) 16:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Just notify me when that sentence is fixed :)S_RX 18:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - meets WP:WIAFL.S_RX 21:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support Overall, it looks good. But I think the image should be larger as it is hard to see.—Chris! _ct 19:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Also "An extension to Lambert-St. Louis International Airport opened a year later." should be was opened —Chris! _ct 19:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. I revised the image to make the text larger and I increased its size on the page from 300px to 420px. --Millbrooky (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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Walter A. Brown Trophy

previous FLC (22:55, 30 September 2008)

I am nominating with User:SRE.K.A.L.24 because we think it now fulfilled the FL criteria.—Chris! _ct 22:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

Some things to be addressed:

• Some years in the lead are linked and some are not. It should be all or none.

1949 is linked in the first instance.—Chris! _ct 23:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Still some reference problems. Website names are works, not publishers; the converse is true, in that companies or entities are publishers, not work names. Either NBA is the publisher, or NBA.com is the work, or both, not the reverse. Reference 1, 2, 4, 5, and 44 are formatted incorrectly in this way.
• There are footnote links on two different instances of the Minneapolis Lakers to the same note. It should be linked at the first or only instance to which it applies, not both.

I think that's it for now. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 23:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

All done —Chris! _ct 23:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Well done. The only thing that concerns me about this list is the heavy reliance on official league sources, rather than independent sources like basketball-reference.com. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 00:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Done —Chris! _ct 00:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

Addressed Review by SrX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• The Walter A. Brown Trophy was awarded to the National Basketball Association (NBA) (or Basketball Association of America (BAA) from 1946 to 1949) team who won the NBA Finals at the conclusion of each NBA season from 1949 to 1977 - the "or" makes it seem like they are not the same promotion. How about use the instead of or.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• The first winner of the trophy was the Philadelphia Warriors, who defeated the Chicago Stags. - How about The inaugural winner of the trophy was the Philadelphia Warriors, who defeated the Chicago Stags. This also needs to be verified with a source.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• The trophy was once referred to as the NBA Finals trophy,[1] but it was renamed in 1964 after Walter A. Brown, in honor of the original owner of the Boston Celtics who was instrumental in merging the Basketball Association of America and the National Basketball League into the NBA in 1949. 1)"once" is weasel talk, be more specific when. 2)Since you already stated earlier the acronyms, the acronyms should just be used here versus the entire names.

FIXED -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Unlike the original championship trophy, the new trophy was given permanently to the winning team and a new one is made every year. - is --> was.

FIXED -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• The Boston Celtics, who won the NBA Finals eight years consecutively and made it to the NBA Finals 12 out of 13 years from 1957 to 1969, won the trophy a total of 13 times, most in league history. - This sentence is confusing, so they won the finals 8 straight years and were featured in the finals 12 out of 13 years, 13 years of what? the trophy's exsistence?

FIXED sentence. Check to make sure itmakes more sense. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• National Basketball Association should be linked in the references, all of them.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 23:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 15:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Why don't you just call the article "Walter A. Brown Trophy"? After all, you don't call the NBA Most Improved Player Award page List of NBA Most Improved Player Award winners just because it has the list of winners on the same page.

• Regarding this comment, see the previous FLC. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I actually think that the article should be called "Walter A. Brown Trophy," too. It is more consistent that way.—Chris! _ct 18:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I see what Matthew(Edwards) was saying, however, this article is also the main source of information on the trophy; therefore it needs to be named "Walter A. Brown Trophy". I will ask him to revisit the discussion. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

If consensus is to move it back to Walter A. Brown Trophy, I'm okay with it. While I'm here, please see WP:BUNCH Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 17:10, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the bunched-up edit links issue.—Chris! _ct 19:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• Ref 1 needs a publication date (it's at the top of the web page in small text)

Fixed—Chris! _ct 18:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• "The Boston Celtics, who won the NBA Finals 12 out of 13 times, eight of them consecutively, from 1957 to 1969, won the trophy a total of 13 times, the most in league history."-->The Boston Celtics won the trophy 13 times, the most in league history. From 1957 to 1969, they won the NBA Finals 12 out of 13 times, eight of them consecutively.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 18:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• Note C needs a reference. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed—Chris! _ct 18:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• Support - although I don't know how much my vote counts because I worked on it quite a bit.   jj137 (talk) 03:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• What makes http://www.docsports.com/nba-finals-trophy.html a reliable source?

Well, I wish I had a more reliable reference but this is the best one I could find to source a particular info.—Chris! _ct 19:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of mergers and acquisitions by Symantec

previous FLC

I last submitted this for FLC six months ago. Hopefully it passes this time. Gary King (talk) 19:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Addressed Review by SrX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• First off, please place a link to the previous FLC.
• Symantec released its first product called Q&A, a database management program, in 1985. - this stands out, so what, this list is about their mergers and acquisitions.
• Other than that, prose and list itself checks out good to my knowledge.--S_RX 21:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 00:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 15:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "and it is listed on"
• "NASDAQ 100" Should be hyphenated.
• What is Gary Hendrix's position in the company now? Dabomb87 (talk) 13:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

All done Gary King (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Radiohead

Radiohead is one of my favorite contemporary bands :) Gary King (talk) 15:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Addressed Review by SrX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• They met while attending Abingdon School, a boys-only public school in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. - Abingdon is pipelinked just to Abingdon, just link the whole thing, "Abingdon, Oxfordshire"
• The band have received five BRIT Award nominations but has yet to win one. - comma after nominations.
• Some of the publishers need to be linked and spelled out entirely.--S_RX 21:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather just link the city name since cities and states are supposed to be linked separately. Comma is unnecessary. The acronym publishers are better known by their acronyms than their full names, like the BBC. Gary King (talk) 00:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Comma is necessary because when you read it out loud you need to take a pause before going on to "but". Also, well at least link the publishers.--S_RX 00:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I added the comma, but I still disagree with it. My personal preference is to not link publishers; sometimes people want, sometimes they don't. I assume it's to learn more about the publisher, which may be helpful in knowing if it's relevant and reliable, but in most cases it just causes unnecessary overlinking in the references as they should probably all be linked since you can't tell which reference the reader would land on first. Gary King (talk) 01:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 15:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The band is composed of"-->The band's members are...
• "The first six albums were released by the Capital Records record label, while the seventh was released by Radiohead themselves." "while"-->and.
• "The first six albums were released by the Capital Records record label"—Shouldn't "by"-->on? Dabomb87 (talk) 03:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 03:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support. Good list. Jaespinoza (talk) 19:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Ne-Yo

Gary King (talk) 15:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Good list, Jaespinoza (talk) 20:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - no flaws, prose and list meets WP:FL?.--S_RX 21:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "While a teenager"-->As a teenager...
• "The MTV Video Music Awards has only nominated Ne-Yo once"
• "Black Entertainment Television" Spell out in parentheses that this stands for BET.
• "and the album was later certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America after"
• "The song became "one of the most-played songs on urban radio stations across the U.S."" I don't see where this quote is in the web citation. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

All done. "As a teenager", to me, seems like he was taking advantage of this stage of adulthood, as if he thought "I'm a teenager so I will go do this" when in fact it's probably more like "I'm going to do this; it just so happens that I'm a teenager." In any case, "While a teenager" is also safer as it doesn't assume anything. Regarding the quote, it's right in the citation. I can't really clarify this further, as I just copy and pasted the quote in my browser's "find" bar and found it on the page instantly. Gary King (talk) 15:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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List of Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Opening Day starting pitchers

We are nominating this list because we believe it meets the FL criteria and is consistent with other Opening Day starting pitcher featured lists. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] and Rlendog (talk) 03:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• Mike Witt has the record for most Opening Day starts for the Angels, with five. - the first for should be of.

• That doesn't seem to sound right. Just going through some other Wikipedia articles of record holders (admittedly not featured articles) they seem to use "record for" in this context. For example, from Hank Aaron:"His most notable achievement was setting the MLB record for most career home runs with 755...", and from Lou Gehrig:"His record for most career grand slams (23) still stands as of 2008." I think it should say "record of" 3-0 if I was describing his win-loss record, but "record for" number of wins when describing the category he is a recordholder for. Rlendog (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Addressed. I deleted the phrase "record for" entirely, which should resolve this. Rlendog (talk) 00:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• He has a record of one win and three losses (1–3) with one no decision in those starts. - comma after (1-3).

• Done Rlendog (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• He also has the best won–loss record in Opening Day starts for the Angels with his 3–0 record. - should be win-loss not won-loss. Also, instead of with his 3-0 record how about which is 3-0?

• Done Rlendog (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• The Angels played in the World Series championship games once in their history, in 2002, and they won the World Series that year. - redundant to keep repeating the same thing over and over, --> The Angels have played in one World Series championship game in their history, which they won in 2002.

• Done Rlendog (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• The publisher for each ref should be linked, if someone clicks the 10th ref first and not ref #1, they will not see the publisher because it is only in #1.

• Done Rlendog (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 21:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I addressed most of them but had a concern about the first one. Rlendog (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I now think I addressed the first comment too. Rlendog (talk) 00:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• Image captions that are complete sentences should have full stops (periods).

• Done Rlendog (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Mike Witt has the record for most Opening Day starts for the Angels, with five. "

• Done Rlendog (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Frank Tanana, Mark Langston and Chuck Finley all have made four Opening Day starts for the Angels." "all have"-->"have all"

• Done Rlendog (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• "He also has the best win–loss record in Opening Day starts for the Angels which is 3–0."-->He also has the best win–loss record in Opening Day starts for the Angels which is 3–0." Comma after "Angels".

• Done Rlendog (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The other Angels'"—No apostrophe.

• Done Rlendog (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The Angels have played in two home ball parks during their history."

• Done Rlendog (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• "to the Indians"—Who are the Indians? (what team)

• Added Cleveland Indians (with Wikilink) Rlendog (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Dabomb87 (talk) 00:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I think I've addressed them all. Rlendog (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The Angels played in the World Series championship games once in their history, which they won in 2002." This is awkwardly phrased. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• You're right. I revised the phrasing. Rlendog (talk) 02:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Support – I was asked to review, but didn't find any problems. I'm happy to support this list. Thanks, – RyanCross (talk) 03:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Alansohn (talk) 02:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Alansohn (talk)

Comments from Alansohn (talk · contribs)

Review by Alansohn (talk · contribs)

• The franchise has also gone by the names "Los Angeles Angels", "California Angels" and "Anaheim Angels" at various points in its history. Please provide a source on the various names and consider detailing when these various names were in use.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• No decisions are only awarded to the starting pitcher if the game is won or lost after the starting pitcher has left the game. Clarify that a no decision can also result if a starting pitcher does not pitch five full innings, even if his team retains the lead and wins. We should consider a standard wording describing the no decision.

Just copied your sentence into the article. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Please consider sourcing all of the generic summaries of most starts, best record, etc., to the summary from Baseball-Reference, unless more specific sources can be found.

But it's on the list itself though. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I added the B-R summary as a reference in a couple more places, particularly the paragraph that counts various pitchers' Opening Day starts. Rlendog (talk) 18:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• The Angels have played in two home ball parks. This and the subsequent paragraphs should be sourced. The Angels site at mlb.com has a ballparks history available.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ...their starting pitchers have 13 wins and 12 losses (13–12) with 2 no decisions - As I see it, we can say "13 wins and 12 losses" or "13–12" but I don't see that both need to be used. This occurs in several places.

I'll just put, 13 wins ad 12 losses. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Please note that these are not demands. They are suggestions and recommendations that I hope will be considered constructive. If they make sense and improve the article, feel free to apply them. If not, an explanation should suffice.

Thanks for telling me that, but I answered all of your comments in order to get a support from you. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Alansohn (talk) 03:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC) Review II items:

• The 24 starters have a combined Opening Day record of 23 wins, 18 losses (23–18) and 7 no decisions. - Again use either the "23 wins, 18 losses" or "23–18", probably not both. There's no reason not to mix up the two styles in the remainder of the article.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• They played their first season in Wrigley Field...' Clarify that this is not the one in Chicago. The source came in handy in this expansion.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• The Angels have played in one World Series championship in their history, which they won in 2002. Can I suggest linking "2002" to the 2002 World Series instead of the baseball season article.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Again, there is no obligation to accept these changes, only that you will consider them. Your disagreement will not dissuade me from supporting the article.

Again, thanks for telling me, but I answered all of your comments in order to get a support from you.

Alansohn (talk) 04:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Bloc Party

WilliamH and Gary King (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review by SrX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• After they first met in 1998, Lissack and Okereke met each other again a year later in 1999 by chance at the Reading Festival and decided to form a band together. - idk, the by chance is really POV in my eyes, will it hurt to remove?
• Just to verify, the have/are is because they are an English band right?--S_RX 20:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. And yep, because they're English. Gary King (talk) 02:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - my review was addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 21:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Support from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The band received their breakthrough " How does one "receive" a breakthrough? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 02:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• Per the MOS, link titles shouldn't be in all capitals.

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 17:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of mergers and acquisitions by Apple

Gary King (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Like the others this one should also probably be named "List of mergers and acquisitions by Apple" or something to that effect. Silver Sonic Shadow (talk) 19:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, thanks I missed this one. Done! Gary King (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved review by SrX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• It was established in Cupertino, California on April 1, 1976 by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak[1] and incorporated on January 3, 1977. - comma after Wozniak.
• Apple's business philosophy is to acquire small companies that can be easily integrated into existing company projects. - sounds POV since there is no source to verify this statement.
• How about in the lead stating how many companies overall were acquired/merged, not just in the U.S.
• Also, how about stating what was the first acquisition and the most recent one.
• Per Template:Reflist#Multiple columns, 3 column format of references should be avoided.
• Other than that, prose and tables look fine. Sources need to be checked by Juliancolton or Ealdgyth.--S_RX 20:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

All done. Their business philosophy uses the reference at the end of the paragraph, but I moved it up to clarify this. Also, the first paragraph already states the total number of acquisitions. I've added what the first acquisition was; however, I don't want to add the most recent one since that can change fairly often. The reference list actually changes the number of columns based on your screen size; if you shrink your browser then you will see that it changes the number of columns, which fixes the problem with normal three-column reference lists. Gary King (talk) 02:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - The list meets WP:WIAFL after my addressed review.--S_RX 21:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - Should this be sortable by name, or does that create more problems than it causes? Rlendog (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

The columns are already sortable by name. Gary King (talk) 14:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "with most of them being software companies"—No with + -ing sentence structure please.
• "during when parts of the company are sold to another company." Doesn't make sense.
• Why don't the Thomson sources have publication dates?
• Ref 1 needs a published date (at the bottom). Dabomb87 (talk) 03:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

All done. The information from the Thomson sources isn't necessarily published on the same date that the company publishes the information, which is what the date from each page signifies. Gary King (talk) 15:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment This has the same divestment confusion as the Red Hat one. It would appear that three of the 'divestments' are actually other companies buying stakes in Apple. However in the lead you say that five companies in total were divested. This doesn't seem to tally at all. I think that these three placements (which from your comment on the Red Hat FLC I presume they are) should go in a separate table in the article. If you did that, then you could have a different set of headings e.g. you could get rid of the 'Target Company' and 'Target business' sections (which are always going to be Apple and Personal Computers) and perhaps replace them with the percentage acquired (if known). The two actual sell-offs would remain in the existing table. Boissière (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I've reworded the bit in the lead to imply that not all of the divestments were "parts of the company". I don't think the Divestment table should be split; the reference that I use, for instance, considers them as Divestments as lists them along with the others. Gary King (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums of 2004

I am submiting this list because I think is ready to achieve FL status, Jaespinoza (talk) 04:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• however, the award went to Intimamente by Intocable,[3] which also peaked at number one on the chart on March 2004. - the second on should be in. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
• Mi Sangre by Colombian performer Juanes was nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Latin Rock/Alternative Album,[4] won three Latin Grammy Awards,[5] and also reached the top spot of this chart for five consecutive weeks from October 16 to November 13, 2004. - the way the first part is written makes it necessary to have a comma after Sangre and a comma after Juanes. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
• Two albums by Marc Anthony reached the top spot of the chart: Amar Sin Mentiras and Valió La Pena, winning the Grammy Award for Best Latin Pop Album[9] and a nomination for a Latin Grammy Award for Best Male Pop Vocal Album[10] for Amar Sin Mentiras, and grabbing the Latin Grammy Award for Best Salsa Album[11] and receiving a Grammy Award nomination for Best Salsa/Merengue album for the latter. - 1)grabbing --> winning' 2) Needs a full stop somewhere, the sentence is too long, split. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
• Other than that Prose and Tables look fine, sources need to be checked by Juliancolton or Ealdgyth.--S_RX 20:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - my review was addressed to meet WP:WIAFL.--S_RX 01:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "There were twenty two number-one albums in 2004, including two releases by Mexican group Los Temerarios: Tributo al Amor and Veintisiete, with the latter album receiving a nomination for a Grammy Award for Best Mexican/Mexican-American Album;[2] however, the award went to Intimamente by Intocable,[3] which also peaked at number one on the chart in March 2004." Run-on sentence. FIXED! Jaespinoza (talk) 20:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
• "With these recordings Marc Anthony won the Grammy Award for Best Latin Pop Album[9] and was nominated for a Latin Grammy Award for Best Male Pop Vocal Album[10] with Amar Sin Mentiras, while Valió La Pena was awarded with the Latin Grammy Award for Best Salsa Album[11] and also receive a Grammy Award nomination for Best Salsa/Merengue album." Split this sentence up also. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC) FIXED!Jaespinoza (talk) 20:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • http://www.livedaily.com/ FIXED!. I replaced that ref with another from USA Today. Jaespinoza (talk) 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note I did not evaluate the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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List of San Diego Padres Opening Day starting pitchers

I am nominating this list because I believe that this completes all of the FL criteria. This is also my second nomination for this FLC Contest. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• The Padres first Opening Day starting pitcher was Dick Selma, who received a win against the Houston Astros. how about "earned" versus "received."

The word, "earned", sounds a little bit too POV. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Randy Jones and Eric Show ties the Padres' record for most Opening Day starts with four, and both of them combined have an Opening Day record of 3 wins, 3 losses, and 2 no decisions - ties should be singular. Also how about ..and both have a combined Opening Day record..etc

done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Jones also hold the most Opening Day starts consecutively with 3, holding it with Andy Benes and Jake Peavy. - "hold" should be pluaral. Well if he holds the record with other players, then the sentence is incorrect because he himself doesn't hold the most starts, needs rewording.

done Check it if I did something wrong. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Andy Benes has the most Opening Day losses consecutively with 3 from 1993 to 1995. Jake Peavy was the Opening Day starting pitcher for the Padres since 2006. - 1)Benes and Peavy do not need to be linked again per WP:OVERLINK. 2)You have already mentioned them, you have to just mention them by their last name.

fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Overall, the Padres's Opening Day starting pitchers have a record of 8 wins and 5 losses at San Diego Stadium/Jack Murphy Stadium/Qualcomm Stadium, and 2 wins and 0 losses at Petco Park. "Padres's" should be "Padres'"

done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• In addition, although the Padres were nominally the home team on Opening Day 1999, the game was played in Estadio de Beisbol Monterrey in Monterrey, Mexico. - "In addition" is a bad transclusion. How about "On Opening Day in 1999, the game was played in Estadio de Beisbol Moterrey in Monterrey, Mexico." You should say why, to make it seem notable.

I don't really think it's a bad transclusion, since if I put it your way, then they wouldn't know if they were home or away. Also, I don't know why they had it in Mexico. I'll try searching it up. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Why is the score in 1985 "03"?

fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 04:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 03:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Support - Meets WP:WIAFL, but another thing that stands out is the heavy reliance on the Baseball-reference website, there needs to be more diversity of sources.--S_RX 23:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - all FL criteria appears to be met. Good job. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 15:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Support—Meets all criteria and matches the format of other Featured Opening Day lists. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - Consistent with the other Opening Day starting pitcher lists that are Featured Lists. In the interest of full disclosre, I have made an edit to this page prior to the FLC. - Rlendog (talk) 19:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from RyanCross

Comments from RyanCross:

• Delink the second link to Major League Baseball in the lead – Avoid WP:OVERLINKing.

done -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Baseball-Reference is linked in the references, why isn't MLB.com?

done

• "In addition, although the Padres were nominally the home team" – "nominally" to "normally"? Not sure if this was a type or not, so I'll let you decide.

I just copied the sentence structure from the List of New York Mets Opening Day starting pitchers. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 20:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Make the 90% font-size in the wikitable to 100% – Avoid small fonts

done

– RyanCross (talk) 19:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Support – Meets featured list criteria and all my comments have been resolved. Nice work, – RyanCross (talk) 21:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • San Diego Stadium/Jack Murphy Stadium/Qualcomm Stadium - is this really necessary? Just use the current name.

I rewrote the sentence. Check if I did anything wrong. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Why are you using boldface inside the table? If it's not necessary, don't use it.

Look at the key first. The bold faces letterings are to indicate the home stadium. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I can look at the key all day and still I will not understand why it's necessary to use boldface in this table. Boldface should only be used where WP:BOLDFACE tells you. I don't see anywhere the "use bold to indicate something" guideline.--Crzycheetah 07:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

So how do I fixed this? Italics? Not even indicate it at all? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 07:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Why are there <br>'s in the table headers?

fixed I was to make the table smaller, but I changed to now. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Should Final Score → Final score ?

fixed -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• • in brackets are the number of innings over than 9 - reword please

done If it is still horribly worded, I suggest you word it for me, as I only have an intermediate understanding of English. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 05:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

--Crzycheetah 04:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

• "The Padres have used 23 different Opening Day starting pitchers in its 40 seasons." - subject and object do not agree. It needs to be "Padres franchise" or "their 40 seasons." One or the other.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The Padres first Opening Day starting pitcher" - Padres'

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• "The Padres went on to play in the MLB post-season 5 times" - post-season should be linked to Playoffs#Playoffs in Major League Baseball.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Key: "No Decision" - No decision. No caps in the second word.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• If you are going to link no decision in the key (really not necessary because it's linked above), it should not be linked twice in quick succession. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

• Neither the Pat Dobson image nor the Eric Show image have fair use rationales for use in this article, and I doubt that you can provide one because there are other appropriate images already being used to illustrate. Remove.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 02:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 02:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Addition (KV5)

• All numbers 10 and below need to be written out (i.e., one, three, nine, etc.). There are a lot of these in the lead.

DONE -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 00:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 22:08, 8 November 2008 [75].

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List of Bay Area Rapid Transit stations

I am nominating this list because I believe it fulfills the featured list status.—Chris! _ct 23:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Review by SrX

Weak Oppose/Review by SRX (talk · contribs)

• In mid-2003, extension to San Francisco International Airport and Millbrae was completed, bringing BART further south into the San Mateo County. - how about In mid-2003, extensions to San Francisco International Airport and Millbrae were completed, which brung BART further south into the San Mateo County. Per tenses.

Fixed, though I use brought instead of brung.—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• In additions, BART connects its Coliseum/Oakland Airport station to the Oakland International Airport with AirBART, a shuttle bus service. - addition not additions in this context.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• The majority of stations are located in the Alameda County with 19. - how about The majority of stations, 19, are located in the Alameda County.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• 10 stations are in the Contra Costa County while eight are in the City and County of San Francisco. - comma after Contra Costa County.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Six stations are in the San Mateo County, though it is not part of the BART district. - elaboration about what "not part of the Bart district" means?

The term "Bart district" is explained in the first paragraph—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• The footnotes don't work properly, when I click the [b] for the daily ridership, it doesn't redirect me to the footnote. Same thing for the [a].

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• All ridership statistics are daily average exits on weekday from April 2008 to June 2008. - weekday should be plural.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Why do you link weekday in note C versus doing it in note b?

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 23:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• The system currently has a total of 43 stations: 15 surface, 13 elevated and 15 subway. - now as a reader who knows nothing about subways, what does elevated mean? Also a comma should be after elevated. Also, wouldn't it be "15 on surface" and "subways" not "subway"?

Partially fixed. Though I don't think I can explain "elevated" more clearly. Any suggestions?—Chris! _ct 02:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Well first of all, what does elevated mean? Plus, a comma is needed after elevated.--S_RX 02:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It means elevated metro station—Chris! _ct 03:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I added a link for elevated station. Hopefully that makes the term clearer to readers.—Chris! _ct 06:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay that helps, but why pipelink to the glossary when you can pipe to elevated railway?--S_RX 15:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Elevated railway redirect to rapid transit. I guess it could work if that page explains what "elevated" is.—Chris! _ct 18:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixed—Chris! _ct 19:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support - review addressed to meet WP:WIAFL, Good Work.--S_RX 23:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Goodraise (talk)

Resolved issues by Goodraise (talk · contribs)

• The references lack publisher info.

I just checked. Every ref has publisher info.—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• I don't think Weekday, Night, and Weekend need to be linked at all.

Removed—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Image captions are unnecessarily wordy. "View of" and "The" are often not needed.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• View of station platform of the MacArthur station. Is not a complete sentence.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments and thoughts:

• You might want to apply the background colors in the table to whole lines instead of only the first field.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• I don't know the difference between "Official transfer stations" and "Terminals". Should I have to click the links to find out, or could you explain it right there?

The terms are clear to me so I am not sure how to make them more clear. Any suggestion?—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• The image in the lead seems a bit too large.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• How about reshaping the "Citations" and "Bibliography" sections into looking like the "References" section of List of Bleach episodes (season 5)? You might also fit in the "Notes" to make it a "References and Notes" section.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Why are the names of the Official transfer stations bolded in addition to the background color? This might be too much formating.

Fixed—Chris! _ct 02:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

-- Goodraise (talk) 02:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Issues brought up after support was declared:

• The lead sections Image needs a more descriptive caption, as the current one is useless without the actual image.
• The Wikimedia Commons template might waste less space if it were placed higher in the section.

Both addressed —Chris! _ct 05:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support: MOS appears to be adhered to. Footnotes look good. Overall appearance is pleasing. Lead section goes into sufficient detail. Supporting materials are rich yet not overwhelming. Image captions are suitable (with exception mentioned above). In my judgement, the nomination meets FL criteria one through six every FL criteria. Therefore I'm now supporting this nomination. -- Goodraise (talk) 03:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments by Boissière

Another rail list - good work. Just a few Comments

• "...in California consisted of three counties..." - Do you mean "consisting"?

Fixed —Chris! _ct 00:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• "fifth largest rapid transit systems" - should be singular.

Fixed —Chris! _ct 00:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• I don't think that the "Lines" column should be sortable as each cell can contain multiple entries. This seems to be the rule in other FLs.

Fixed —Chris! _ct 00:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• I don't understand the "Authority" bit in the City/Authority column. Presumably it is because of the airport station but I don't understand why it is different (i.e. why isn't the city containing the airport not put here?).

The reason I didn't use the city is that the airport is within another county, not in San Francisco. But since it is generally considered San Francisco, I've change it to San Francisco.—Chris! _ct 00:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• I am not convinced that future stations (even if they are fairly certain) should be in the main list. One problem is that the West Dublin/Pleasanton station slightly screws up the Year opened and Ridership sorting - it always appears first. Either add it in when it opens or maybe have a small "Stations under construction" list after the main one. If you choose to leave it in in some form then, in the description, please replace the colloquial "slated" with "due".

Fixed —Chris! _ct 00:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Boissière (talk) 20:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

All my comments seem to have been addressed - Support Boissière (talk) 19:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from K.Annoyomous
Support All comments were addressed. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 06:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC) Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.