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1973 FA Charity Shield

Nominator(s): Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 13:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a rather short article (less than 1500 words) about the 1973 FA Charity Shield, the curtain-raiser to the 1973–74 season. It is arguably Burnley's most recent major honour, although many will argue it is just a meaningless match to kick off the new season. All comments are appreciated! Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 13:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think maybe instead of a 'pre-match' section maybe title it 'background.' Also, a little elaboration to the blurb about Burnley winning the second division (how they earned qualification to the match) could be a nice touch, but what do you think?

Another idea I had would be to totally rip off the style/format of the 1974 FA Charity Shield article due to its classification as a good article.

Article is brilliant otherwise. Cheers. HYTEN CREW (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HYTEN CREW: Thanks for the comments. I altered the heading to include "Background". I think the current information about Burnley's previous season's success is sufficient (only 4 losses, clinching the title after a draw at PNE), but if you think that's not enough, please let me know. Thanks, Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 22:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Suggest adding alt text. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nikkimaria, thanks for the comment, I added alt text. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 07:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"It was the third consecutive year neither the Football League First Division winners nor the FA Cup champions chose to compete" - might be worth mentioning that normally they did/do, otherwise readers not familiar with the CS might wonder why this is noteworthy
"after Alan Oakes hit the Burnley crossbar" => "after a shot from Alan Oakes hit the Burnley crossbar" (he didn't personally hit the crossbar....I presume :-))
" Doug Collins pretended to take the free-kick, left it for Frank Casper whose cross was headed" => " Doug Collins pretended to take the free-kick but left it for Frank Casper whose cross was headed"
"The FA Charity Shield was founded in 1908 as a successor to the Sheriff of London Charity Shield" - if you have a source, it would be worth mentioning why the SLCS ended (dispute between professionals and amateurs)
"in 1921, the fixture was played by the Football League champions and FA Cup winners for the first time" - mention that this then became the standard format, otherwise it sounds like it could have been just another one-off like the other ones earlier in the sentence
"The 1973 FA Charity Shield was the third consecutive edition neither the Football League First Division winners (Liverpool) nor the FA Cup champions (Sunderland) chose to compete." => "The 1973 FA Charity Shield was the third consecutive edition in which neither the Football League First Division winners (Liverpool) nor the FA Cup champions (Sunderland) chose to compete."
"explained that his preparation was geared to have his squad ready for the first league match of the season" => "explained that his preparation was geared towards having his squad ready for the first league match of the season"
"Burnley fielded the same team which had won the Second Division title the previous season" - I presume you mean the same team as the final game of the previous season specifically? Rather than that the same team had played for literally the whole season......
"City started the second half well and dominated the game. [....] Around the 60th minute, Burnley began to dominate the match" - hint of repetition here, anyway to reword?
"Collins pretended to take the free-kick but left it for Casper whose cross was headed in powerfully by defender Waldron to put Burnley 1–0 in front" => "Collins pretended to take the free-kick, left it for Casper whose cross was headed in powerfully by defender Waldron to put Burnley 1–0 in front"
"Waldron ran in unmarked from the edge of the box." => "Waldron had run in unmarked from the edge of the box."
"Adamson also noted that Docherty helped Burnley grew back into" => "Adamson also noted that Docherty helped Burnley grow back into"
That's all I got - nice work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude Thank you very much for the review! I addressed your comments and tried to expand/clarify the lede and first part of the body of the article (hopefully to your satisfaction). Cheers, Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 11:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - awesome work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Mike Christie

"In 1971, double winners Arsenal withdrew from the competition due to previously arranged pre-season friendlies, with Leicester City replacing them." If the norm was FAC Cup winners vs. Football League champions, then it doesn't really make sense to just say Leicester replaced them. How about "with Second Division champions Leicester City and FA Cup runners-up Liverpool replacing them"?
"Burnley fielded the same team which had won the Second Division title during the final game of the previous season." Saying "previous season" is correct because the Charity Shield is generally regarded as the first match of a season, not the last, but it's a bit confusing because it feels like a culmination of the season, so "previous" seems to refer to the season before that. How about "Burnley fielded the same team which had won the Second Division title against Preston North end in May" (or whenever that match was)?
I assume the footnotes for Man City and Burnley in the "Details" section cite the teams, but don't we also need citations for the date, time, score, goals, location and referee, at the start of that section?
"Todd criticised City's ineffective style of play, to add:": suggest "adding" rather than "to add".
"was more praiseful of Burnley": suggest just "praised Burnley" -- the "more" doesn't seem right since the previous comment was not praise for Burnley at all.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review, Mike! I made the changes in the article, and while doing that, also discovered after checking in the Simpson (2007) book that Burnley actually made one change from the team which had won the 2nd Division title at Preston. Cheers, Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 08:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the fixes look good except that I don't see where you added a cite for the match details -- am I missing it? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Christie, I added the refs under the 0–1 score. If you prefer me to individually cite the stats (time, referee, etc.), I'll happily do that. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 11:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that works -- I just missed it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Seems like we are mostly using local newspapers and some books that I don't know much about as sources - are these books prominent? Sources seem to be consistently formatted. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 06:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jo-Jo Eumerus: the Burnley book was written by former Burnley F.C. historian Ray Simpson (see e.g., [2]) and published by the club. I don't have a hard copy of the Man City book as I came across it via the Internet Archive. However, I saw this 1993 article from The Independent ([3]), where the book is praised as is the publisher (Breedon): "Their A Complete Record collection, which has set the standard for statistically based club histories". Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 17:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jo-Jo Eumerus, what's your take on Eem's response? FrB.TG (talk) 10:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sammi Brie

The game took place on 18 August 1973 at Maine Road in Manchester, and was played between Manchester City You have one subject, "game", so you don't need the comma here. WP:CINS
Shortly afterwards Mike Doyle was in front of the Burnley goal but his shot went wide. But you have two subjects here, Doyle and shot, so you do need a comma after "goal".
towards the end of the first half the pace slowed Consider a comma after "half" to aid reading.
Around the 60th minute, Burnley began to dictate play. Geoff Nulty headed over the City goal from a dangerous position and Martin Dobson saw his shot saved by the leg of Joe Corrigan, the City goalkeeper. Insert comma after "position" (CinS)
Peter Higgs, writing in the Burnley Express, labelled it an "excellently worked goal", but was also slightly unhappy Remove comma after "goal"
Shortly afterwards Collins played a one-two with Dobson and hit a powerful shot from an angle but it was saved by Corrigan. Add comma after "angle" (CinS)
I note the Wembley format remark. Was this the last Shield match played outside Wembley? outside London? The article alone does not say the proposal was adopted, and this might be a reasonable angle to take or even to add to the lead depending on your response.

Just some minor copy fixes as we dial this in and the one suggestion about mentioning this as the last of its kind, at least for a while, not played in Wembley. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sammi Brie, thanks very much for the review! I added or removed commas per above. About Wembley, the CS was held there from 1974 to 2000, after which it was held in Cardiff as the new Wembley Stadium was being constructed. I expanded the sentence a bit, but if you want me to further expand/clarify it, I'm happy to do so. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 06:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eem dik doun in toene: That's exactly what I wanted to see — a little connective tissue to make a non-topic reader understand this. Happy to Support. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do have an FAC open myself for your consideration if you wish to review. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comments

References: article titles should be in a consistent case - sentence or title - regardless of how they appear in their original.
"following a shared title in 1960." The link is an MOS:EASTEREGG; how about 'following a shared title in 1960'?

Gog the Mild (talk) 17:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gog the Mild, thanks for the comments! I've addressed them (and hopefully correct regarding your first point?). Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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