User talk:SandyGeorgia/arch57

Keep an eye out

User:Shappy/Amazing Race Wikipedia. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Question re image

Some of us have been working on the Oil shale extraction article in hopes of restarting an FA process. Question: There is an image on page 14 of this DOE paper on oil shale (page 14, it takes a little while to load) that presents a schematic overview of the process. Do you think this would be a useful addition? If so, how to size it? Your reply at the article talk page would be appreciated. Sincerely, Novickas (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Incentive system for reviewers, again

WT:FAR. To be frank, I think there is 0% chance that the average detail of reviews will decrease. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 02:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:GA articlehistory errors

Okay, thanks for letting me know, but now I'm not sure how to add the fact that The Boy Who Knew Too Much is a GA since I did what's on that page you linked too. The Flash ^{talk} 17:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I've been trying to help lower the backlog on the GAN page, didn't see how it was screwed up before. Also, why exactly is it labeled as "Arts" when it's a GA for "Theater, film and drama" ? The Flash ^{talk} 17:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, thanks again. I'm not really planning on doing that much GAN reviews, but I think I'll just have to start looking at the AH before I put the template up. Thanks again. The Flash ^{talk} 17:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Dyslexia/Dyslexia sub-articles

Hi I have added a few research documents on the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Dyslexia/Dyslexia sub-articles sandbox, which may resolve some of the issues you highlighted when you last visited the Dyslexia article dolfrog (talk) 20:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Asthma FAR

I apologize; I was not active on Wikipedia at the time of your request. — Knowledge Seeker দ 21:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Bringing to your notice

Someone in WP management needs to look at the Barbara Biggs entry, as it seems to my amateur eyes to be largely an advertizement of Biggs books, and a beat-up of her deeds and status based on what is written in same self-authored books. There are some references to media who interviewed her about her books/deeds but these again rested mostly on her own opinions about herself drawn from her self-authored books. Is there not supposed to be independant verification of her claims? 58.165.69.67 (talk) 10:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Editing survey

Hi SandyGeorgia. My name is Mike Lyons and I am a doctoral student at Indiana University. I am conducting research on the writing and editing of high traffic “current events” articles on Wikipedia. I have noticed in the talk page archives at Barack Obama that you have contributed to the editing or maintenance of the article. I was hoping you would agree to fill out a brief survey about your experience. This study aims to help expand our thinking about collaborative knowledge production. Believe me I share your likely disdain for surveys but your participation would be immensely helpful in making the study a success. A link to the survey is included below.

Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=P6r2MmP9rbFMuDigYielAQ_3d_3d

Thanks and best regards, Mike Lyons lyonspen | (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

FAC/FAR

Might be fading away.... YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 03:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Queen Anne FAR

I have nominated Anne of Great Britain for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.. [I'm inviting you because you initiated the first FAR on this subject, which resulted in a decision to keep it featured. I think that decision was problematic, and decided to reopen the issue] john k (talk) 17:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Article history

Thanks. Been a while since I closed an acr, now that we coords are apparently updating the ah template with acr info as well I'm havin' some trouble figuring out how to get it all up and running. Thanks for advise, I'm sure I will get it sooner or later if I stick with it. Stay safe, and have a happy summer! :) TomStar81 (Talk) 22:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Silent Alarm FAC

Hi, the nomination hasn't gathered any more thoughts in days. I was wondering if you'd like to review.

I'm pretty sure that the article is more than suitable for FA and that could be the reason why people aren't commenting as it's a given that most reviewers will only point out negative things. I'd like to speed the process along in any way I can.

Thanks. Rafablu88 21:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Help with citations in footnotes

I'm having trouble getting citations to work in footnotes in the 2009 Orange Bowl FAC. If either you or one of the helpers who watch this page could help, it'd be extremely helpful. Thanks! JKBrooks85 (talk) 23:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I think your problem lies in the fact that you are using <ref group="nb"> the same way as you would use something like <ref name="awesome source"/>. You need to either place a reference inside the tag, and then use a </ref> tag, like this <ref group="nb"> REFERENCE </ref>, or if you are going to use the same reference over again, you could probably use <ref group="nb" name="foo"> and then use <ref name="foo"/> afterwards. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 23:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Ref tags can't be nested, see WP:REFNOTE for a workaround. Here's an example fix. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

How in those examples would I use a repeated reference in an infobox? That's the specific example I'm having the most trouble with. When I attempted the workaround, it seemed to destroy the infobox. JKBrooks85 (talk) 04:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! JKBrooks85 (talk) 04:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The day has come

SandyGeorgia's Awesome Wikipedian day is November 2.

Hi Sandy. I meant to return your Day sooner. It came in very handy. You are released from all obligations and Spells. Cheers, Outriggr (talk) 05:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

You might like this for the same reasons I do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcdbGxYX9es&feature=related

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 07:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I did, thanks. I watched Gran Torino a second time last night (this movie really chokes me up for some reason), and I think the song would be excellent in the soundtrack. Outriggr (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Must be the Lab! (Send Dog!) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Can't hurt! Send Dog? -> Dogsend -> Godsend? I'm trying here... Outriggr (talk) 00:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Put the dog on a plane! (Been doing it for years.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Two questions

1. Are you aware that you're approaching the six-figure mark? (In edits, that is—your checking account must have gotten used to that quite a while ago ;)
2. When and why, in the name of all that is good and holy, was alt text made guideline, policy, and a requirement for FAC? Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

My dear Fv: hello ! The edits go up, slowly; the checking account goes down, more quickly.

I haven't followed the alt-text discussion closely: Eubulides (talk · contribs) is the go-to guy on that !

Miss working with you :) Maybe someday I can work on articles again ! Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Jack Coggins

Hello, Sandy. Mike Christie is unavailable indefinitely due to his move. I implemented all of your recent suggestions, many of those listed at the article's previous FAC, added more sources, copyedited the prose, changed the layout a bit, and as I think it's ready for another round at the FAC, I listed it there. Thanks for all of your advice! -- Avi (talk) 17:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Vacation pending

I'm going tomorrow and will have no computer access until I return on Monday, making for my first real break since joining the project. I have one oppose (Magdalena Neuner) where the nominator has responded; if I don't get a chance to strike it, please consider it resolved. There's one other FAC (Jackie Robinson) where I just left an oppose that I won't be able to check for two or three days. Other than those two, I have nothing urgent that needs a re-review. I'll be back from the last place you'd think I would travel to in time for your/Karanacs' Tuesday run-through (I assume she will see this here). Giants2008 (17-14) 03:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know; may the best team win !!! LOL ... have fun ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

2004 World Series PR

You commented on the 2004 World Series FAC a while back. I've now started PR in the hope of renominating it. See it here. BUC (talk) 08:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Advisory

Yes, I felt strongly that one of you should have been asked. But, perhaps, if you are all occupied, it's okay in the long run. And you are also right that ArbCom will inquire about additions if necessary, they are quite communicative, to say the least. :) ceranthor 17:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, I'm planning on making a stride towards saving Whale song at FAR, it's an extremely interesting and worth-wile article, any suggestions for a noob (at FAR)? I found a source, it's Britannica, but I don't think the encyclopedia is considered a reliable source. Input?ceranthor 00:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008 film) original (faulty) review

Hi, I'm not sure that you were right to remove the article history as it does record the original faulty review and comments upon it. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The articlehistory had errors, and I don't have time to fix all the GA ah errors. Please read the instructions at Template:Articlehistory, and be sure to incorporate the peer review, and scroll to the bottom of the page to check for the red error cat when done. Alternately, if you're unsure how to build an ah correctly, you can just leave a GA template on the page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing mine. I was literally walking out the door and forgot to scroll down. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem; yours was an easy fix ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Just wanted to say thanks for the FAC promote of 2009 Orange Bowl and for the citation help. JKBrooks85 (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Monkey (TV series)

Casliber has nominated you to play the role of Sandy, the water/fish monster YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 15:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

bwaaahahaha! Don't let Tim Vickers get hold of "Sandy, the ex-cannibal"!!! And Marskell already tried to turn me into a philosopher ... I'm pretty sure he failed ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

FYI

I've blocked the nominator of Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Is Google Making Us Stupid?/archive2 indefinitely as a sockpuppet of The Wurdalak, who is a suspected sockpuppet of Manhattan Samurai. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 12:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Talyllyn Railway

Well, I've finally got an article onto TFA. I've just re-read A fool's guide to writing a featured article, and realised I omitted an important stage in the FA process. Therefore, please accept these chocolates, belatedly, as a thanks for your help and for all the good work you do. ;-)  —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 17:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Why, thank you !! My chocolate supply has been dwindling lately ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Red face

Minor typo! diff. Sometimes I shouldn't get out of bed in the mornings! Tim Vickers (talk) 18:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Whew !!!! That's a relief !! Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Accessdates

I see people change accessdates for web references, and I don't think that's a really good idea, and I don't think it should be encouraged at FAC. If the web page changes, the accessdate may be important to find an particular version. People could search through page history to find the original, but then people could do that without the accessdate at all; if it's there it should stay there, unless the person changing it verifies the cited info for all uses of the ref is still valid. I also noticed that someone has a script which strips out everything from a ref except the URL. The person then runs User:Dispenser/Reflinks to re-add cite info from the (now bare) URL. This means, if a citation were already fixed to have the right title or address styling issue, the fixes get removed. Just a heads-up to the talk page stalkers. Gimmetrow 22:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Source checks...

I managed to walk out of the house without my normal files and stuff so source checks will have to happen when I get home .. probably Saturday. Sorry about this, but things just got seriously busy and now that I'm traveling, it's too difficult to do on the road here. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I got all the older ones, caught up to noms from about the 15th. Will get them this afternoon or tomorrow. (Wrenched my knee yesterday chasing down a naughty mare, so I'm not too comfy at the computer right now.) Ealdgyth - Talk 14:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you didn't wrench your knee chasing down a naughty stallion :) Thanks for Everything, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, the colt is thinking stallionish thoughts, that's for sure. Little does HE know we already have plans to deal with that... Anyway, I'm caught up at FAC. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

ah, ha ... the ole rubber band trick ! (Every woman should have one!) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Left-aligned images in the lead

A fairly exhaustive RfC at Joseph Priestley regarding its left-aligned lead image concluded over a week ago with (surprisingly) no consensus. While the supporters of the image's left-alignment are particularly talented, established, and prolific editors, I nevertheless want to make FA directors and delegates aware of the fact that there is no consensus on this issue. I only bring this to your attention as image alignment has been raised in subsequent FACs (e.g. John Calvin and John Knox) and some editors have potentially been misrepresenting the extent to which left-alignment is settled or stable consensus beyond their particular interpretation and substantial dissent from other editors (as indicated in the RfC). Madcoverboy (talk) 01:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Image opposition for Charles Carroll the Settler and Quark

Sandy, I am not going to bother answering to some replies in those FACs because their tone do not deserve a decent reply. My opposition to those images still stand; the copyright status on those images are in doubt. I have done my utmost to state my opinions in the external links to them (Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#300 year old paintings under copyright in US??! and commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Charmed-dia-w.png), but again I am not going to keep repeating the same points in them if others do not pay attention to the underlying arguments. This is a heads-up to help you decide if the opposition should be over-ruled or not. Jappalang (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Che Guevara's article.

Hi, Sandy! Long time no see. I gather you could be interested in the discussion (or rather, the turmoil) that has arisen over a small edit war after I inserted the words "mass executioner" in the lead of the Che's article. One of my motives for doing it is that nowadays in Venezuela, as you probably are well aware of, that criminal is being hailed by chavistas as a hero and "Liberator", in the same ranks of Simón Bolívar, which is not only preposterous but nauseating! Regards, AVM (talk) 14:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Drunk dialing Sandy

I think you should get a cell phone or answering service just for drunk dialing.

I'd like to see what different folks would send to you.

Today's bit of random wtf? is brought to you by texts from last night.

“ and before you know it i was laying next to him at 2 in the morning with penis and sadness on my breath. ”

Why, it's as poetic as Milton!

“ Please tell me its not ok to love a 17 year old....no matter how hot he is and how sexy his eyebrow ring is oh lord ”

With the morals of Dante!

“ Saw a pregnant woman get a lap dance last night. I love the south. ”

And the regionalism of Margaret Mitchell! --Moni3 (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

"Why, it's as poetic as Milton!" I think I may have written a page on a poem similar to the above sentiment. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Surely Milton had his own hung over what did I do last night? moments. The poetry had to come from somewhere. I'm going to skip over the natural talent reason and say alcohol-caused shame is as good a root for creativity as anything else.

I don't even know what this means:

“ its like an ocean threw up right in your lap ”

--Moni3 (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Moni, nothing now remains to do but begin the game anew. And Ottava, you should know that malt does more than Milton can, to justify God's ways to man.[1] Kablammo (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

A Shropshire Lad? Is that the book Simon Callow picked up and commented on in A Room With a View? I didn't get the reference. Sometimes it's so awfully, bitterly sad to be American. But then I see something like this and my patriotism rises anew:

“ We fish bowled my car and anna told us a story about time travel and part of it had people melted into the side of a boat and i imagined them being melted into my car moaning in pain and then we got scared and thought zombies were outside and couldn't leave for a while. ”

Right on! --Moni3 (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

There are some true gems there, but I'm not sure I could defile Sandy's talk page by listing my favorites. MastCell ^Talk 20:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

A Shropshire Lad is, to be honest, my favorite collection of poetry. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

“ I told a kindergarten student that candy canes are bones of reject elves. ”

Last night appears to have been an exceptionally good night for texting; ten out of the current first thirteen are real keepers. MastCell, go ahead; show us your favs! (Chicken ... you don't think I believe that excuse about defiling my talk page, do you?) Moni, would you like a video or a weblink definition for oceans throwing up? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's start with the weblink definition. It's probably a euphamism that has been in circulation for 15 years that I have yet to come across. --Moni3 (talk) 18:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

You probably have; use your imagination (that's what it's for!). Your first clue is in a link that badly needs some gender equality work on The Purple One's talk page. I'll give y'all 24 hours, and then e-mail you if you can't figure it out! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

My first guess was female ejaculation, which is as suggestive as I get. But... on a lap? If seated or standing, how did it migrate to the lap? What feats created such a phenomenon? Was the poster talking about someone sitting on someone else causing such a deluge? Why not an infant with a poorly adhered diaper? Or for that matter, an elderly person with a poorly adhered diaper? The OR policy, by the way, has filtered much of my imagination while I am on Wikipedia. If it is not stated explicitly, my mind stops until told exactly what the intention of the message is. --Moni3 (talk) 18:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Good girl! (I'm sure you can answer those questions without help!) HAVE to go now ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

This is my current favorite:

“ I opened up her dishwasher and all I found was a spoon, a juice glass and all her sex toys. ”

--Andy Walsh (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Where'dya find that one? I read 40 pages in and missed it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

PS, Purple One, I've got to go. Can anyone check my contribs and deal with adminly stuff? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. PS, Page 8, half way down. --Andy Walsh (talk) 18:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Did you look that up just for me, or do you have your favs memorized? (Don't answer that.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

In no particular order:

• I've decided to sign up for a porn membership, but it's 10:30 and I'm going to wait an hour an a half because I don't want to waste a whole day of my month long membership. Fuck this economy.
• I just tried to put my feet in my slippers and found cans of beer in them. Christmas in fucking july.
• It was like a fairy tale, until he tried to put it in my ass...

Since you asked. MastCell ^Talk 22:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

The esteemed MastCell reveals himself to be the Beer-drinking Bargain-hunting type; you shall be dubbed BBB henceforth (do the math). Who's next to list their favs? If you're always this obedient, perhaps I should ask you to do a WP:MEDRS review of Moni's article. I'm sure all the (young) inquiring minds among my TPS want to know! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I had no idea that site existed. I'm scarred for life, I tell you. KillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 23:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

KC, unless you list a favorite, I shall have to remove you from the discussion. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmph... first I "badly damaged my intellectual reputation", and now I'm apparently unacceptably frugal as well. Tough crowd. Regarding "Moni's article"... I went through the references as far as PMID 7935074 before I stopped (and if it's Medical Hypotheses, it must be true). And why is all of the research on the topic being done by the same 4 people in Bratislava? MastCell ^Talk 23:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Go ask someone who might know. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think I have time to ask David - for you see, I am "all over wikipedia as a pro abortion censor". You're lucky I have time to chat at all; it's exhausting. :P MastCell ^Talk 23:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sandy, I cannot favorite it, because someone who thinks they can make money suing an expert has said it causes breast cancer in editors. OTOH, I can probably apply really well-shaken water and cure it... that's it, I'll do it!!! Oh, and be sure to listen to this - at least ten minutes. reKillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 23:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Is Friday morning too early to begin regretting Saturday's excesses?

“ (510): he said he didn't have a condom.
(415): and you said?
(510): that that's fine cause i was ready to be a mom. yeah - he magically had a condom he forgot about after that. ”

- 2/0 (cont.) 15:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol... disambiguation page, Nazi gold. "Estoy commando! "This is in... not english, would you like to have it translated?" ceranthor 15:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

“ some kid came into the principals office and tried to explain what he was sent there for through interpretive dance. ”

How to get chicks: with ducks

File:Rubber duck.jpg

Enough to turn my head

This is your public service announcement: Sandy, beware want ads that may be written by illiterate and perennially confused men. To wit. The associated video is necessary to understand the anomalies and visuals in that posting. I'm seriously considering switching sides to see how your sort lives. No doubt throngs of women have heaved themselves at this rock-magnet of manflesh, so surely there is something in it that I must study. Take care that you do not do likewise with the heaving. That duck is an irresistible touch. --Moni3 (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Moni, dear, with a phrase like "rock-magnet of manflesh", you may have switched sides already and just don't know it yet. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Gracious, that was parody. Are those typical thoughts of these creatures often referred by science as "heterosexual women"? Do you look upon human males thinking they are volcanic beefcake? Oily bohunk? You violate them with your eyes. No wonder they shy from the female of the species, fleeing posthaste lest they be treated by bosom-heaving women clad in flimsy and poorly constructed bodices in the manner of lusty sea-pirates of Harlequin lore. Throb manhood! Throb! --Moni3 (talk) 17:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Stop.It.Now. (Flimsy and poorly constructed bodices? I beg to differ!) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

What, should I quit writing articles about rivers and such and concentrate on writing erotic fiction under the pen name Hepzibah St. Von Thrust? Part harlot, part Bond villain. Like a slutty Rosa Klebb, but appealing somehow. Practically, I always thought women should wear sturdier corsets to avoid the ripping that occurs in such novels. Harlequin has solved some of this by structuring their themes around NASCAR. I could not lie about that, nor make it up in the worst parody possible. --Moni3 (talk) 17:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for at least reminding me of a more subtle and sophisticated era in Bond-character naming. Rosa Klebb is veritably Nabokovian compared to successors like Plenty O'Toole and Holly Goodhead (sorry, that was Dr. Goodhead). MastCell ^Talk 18:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

MastCell, look what your comment led to. What a shame. I wish there were such a list of dangerous bands of cat-woman lesbians. Alas... --Moni3 (talk) 18:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, let's see. Category:Dangerous bands of cat-woman lesbians in 1950s literature and media. Nope, still a redlink. And if Wikipedia doesn't cover a topic like that, no one does. Actually, come to think of it, Pussy Galore should probably be in Category:Fictional lesbians who realize that they're straight once they finally meet the right man. That'll be a fairly large category. MastCell ^Talk 21:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

See also

Sorry to bother you, but I am about to rip my hair out because of this guy. Here and here. What is happening is that he is creating pages for "___ year in poetry". He is then creating base lists and populating them. In order to promote his pages, he is creating see also on pages and then linking. There is no RfC accepting this. There is no asking for consensus. He is just creating what is already done in categories, taking up space, and defacing thousands of perfectly good articles. I tried to explain to him that people don't really like see also in terms of FA, and that the sections are supposed to be integrated. He doesn't seem to care or care about anything but linking his pages where ever he can. I can't stand people who make such low level nonsense and promote it out the wazoo. We need difficult to make high quality articles in core areas that are ignored. We don't need 80 lists performing the jobs of categories and linking them in the most ugly of ways. Sigh. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

See WP:CLNLeadSongDog come howl 15:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Ottava's post above has been quoted at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Inappropriate mass changes to multiple threads thread. A discussion about the "See also" section in the "Lucy Poems" article is ongoing on that article's talk page. If there's a consensus against "See also" sections at FAC, I'd like to know where I can find it. Reconsideration (talk) 03:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I haven't been to AN, and am not likely to go there or read the drama, but FAs are supposed to be comprehensive, which usually means that meaningful links are included in the text, not in See also. See here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

If you and Ottava Rima can agree that links from poetry-related articles can be made to year-in-poetry pages, then the AR discussion should be archived. I can agree to link them any way you'd like, either piped or unpiped (unpiped would need parentheses because nowhere else in the English language does "[year] in poetry" exist). Suggest a style and I'll follow it. I'd also like to know whether you or Ottava have any objections to the format I've used in bibliography sections of poet articles, such as Peter Viereck#Poetry collections. I'd much rather come to an agreement and go back to editing content pages than drag this out. Reconsideration (talk) 05:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not part of this discussion; I do follow WP:LAYOUT, as FAs must conform to MOS. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I interpret that to mean you won't be objecting to me putting links into the text of articles, where appropriate, which is all I needed to know (basically, I'm putting them into poem, poet, lists of poets and poetry awards articles where the year indicates a year of publication or year of an award). I notice that WP:SEEALSO looks a bit different than when I read it before, which is fine, and I have no problem with the longer language. Thanks for your time. Reconsideration (talk) 05:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You should not interpret it to mean anything; as I said, I'm not part of that discussion. FAC is my concern. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm comfortable with your answer. If you, Ottava or anyone objects, now or later, to the idea of having links from the texts of poetry-related articles to the year-in-poetry pages, I'll start an RfC myself. Reconsideration (talk) 06:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The Lucy poems

Sandy, please check the FAC of The Lucy poems. Ceoil decided to play games and remove me as a co-nominator. Seeing as how I wrote most of the content, provided most of the sources, and also did much of the work getting it to GA status, I would think that it would be completely unacceptable for him to proceed as such. He also wants to give credit to Awadewit who provided almost nothing. It takes a lot to tolerate his constant abuse and incivility that he has inflicted on my talk page for the past six months, but the above is completely overstepping bounds and FAC standards. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Alt text

Hi Sandy! I have a question for you: recently, an "alt text" line has appeared in the FAC tools toolbox we at milhist borrowed for our A-class review process. At the moment, we have an academy content drive underway, and I completed a page on the original three functions of the toobox, but I am stumped on what alt text is/does/checks for. Could you enlighten me, or maybe point me to a place where I could read more about it? TomStar81 (Talk • Some say ¥€$, I say NO) 21:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Tom! Here you go: Wikipedia talk:FAC#Alt text in images. Also, WP:ALT. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I beat you by a few minutes, do I win a prize? ;) Regards, Woody (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You are the prize, Woody ! Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to each of you from me as well. I'm trying to get a feel for alt image text so I can check for it during milhist ACRs; I figure that should help reduce the amount of work FAC folks to do. TomStar81 (Talk • Some say ¥€$, I say NO) 22:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Tom, after you do a couple, ask Eubulides (talk · contribs) to check them: this is his territory. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Question

Why exactly was Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/TNA X Division Championship/archive2 closed? It had yet to actually have a review.--WillC 00:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

See below. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I guess I'll renominate later.--WillC 01:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Military career of L. Ron Hubbard

It's disappointing to see that you've decided to reject this FAC. Could you possibly explain where/why the article failed to meet the FA criteria? -- ChrisO (talk) 00:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

There were a number of FACs that had been up for a month with no (or limited) support. (Haven't checked that one in particular ... speaking in generalities from my runthrough, which was 24 hours ago ... ) I do recall that one having so much discussion that it might benefit from a fresh look in a few weeks ... often, FACs with lengthy discussion get bogged down, and other reviewers are reluctant to engage. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Jack Coggins

Hello, Sandy.

I trust your judgment, but can you please explain what you found in Jack Coggins that prevented its being promoted to FA? All the feedback seemed positive? Please review Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jack Coggins/archive2 -- Avi (talk) 02:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I will say that it is very frustrating to put in the tens, if not hundreds, of hours working on an article to be told that it was not promoted due to "not enough reviewers," especially when there was outright support on the page. Why should any of us go back and try again when 1) there is nothing overt to correct and 2) there is no reason to think that the article(s) would get any more of a fair shake. At least the first it was up on FAC, it was there for over a month. This time, the response was much better yet it was canned after only two weeks. Why is that? -- Avi (talk) 05:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me if I came across too harshly, I am disappointed, I hope understandably. -- Avi (talk) 05:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we should promote canvassing for FAC's to ensure that enough people come by and opine, being that there seems to be a paucity of reviewers. -- Avi (talk) 01:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Some of the suggestions at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-03-17/Dispatches could be used in "recruiting" reviewers. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Dangerous effects of boredom

Hey Sandy, is there anything on the FAC list that needs a good grammar and style check? Awickert (talk) 06:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Just about everything ! As you can see from the entries just above you, we really need good reviewers like you! It would be wonderful if you'd just pick a few that interest you and dig in. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll just pick through the list at Wikipedia:FAC and do it off and on. Awickert (talk) 06:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Featured list on main page

Is there a process by which a featured list can be nominated for the main page? ---kilbad (talk) 20:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

No, only articles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

User talk:TonyTheTiger/List of the Day was a related proposal that failed to gain consensus. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's say I wanted to propose displaying a FL on the main page, instead of an article, once a month. How would I go about doing that? ---kilbad (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know for sure, but I would suppose a mention at Talk:Main page and/or Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

You'd also want to see what Raul654 (talk · contribs) has to say. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

(undent) last I checked, the quality of the lists was not up to the quality of the articles, and the quality of the latter could be described as "spotty". Not sure why we'd wanna degrade quality in favor of... what?... some vague sense of "fairness"? Ling.Nut (talk) 04:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

• It's a hard one, given the pressure from FA nominators and the shortage of spots. If FLs made an appearance, IMO it would have to be once in a while, not built in as a regular spot (even monthly), and by application to Raul as a very very special exception. By "exception", I mean that the FL would need to include a significant amount of "meat", actually like kilbad's dermatologically related list, which is quite an achievement. But I would be prepared for disappointment, given the pressure on Raul for spots. Tony (talk) 16:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Brad Cohen

I'll watchlist Brad Cohen for the next couple of days. Enjoy your off-wiki time.

PS. You want me to clutter up my user page with something useful? Naaah, that page is strictly reserved for trivia only. If I want something useful, I visit your user page. Eubulides (talk) 18:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Wildfire FA

Per Talk:Wildfire#Copy edit, a suggestion was made to remove Wildfire from FA consideration at this time. Do you agree with this? If so, could you remove the article from FA consideration until such time that the copy edit concerns can be addressed? Thank you, MrBell ^(talk) 19:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Images

Could you please comment here [2]. Thank you. Giano (talk) 06:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR again

On my talk page, Dweller thinks there should be an automatic FAR nomination schedule, one of the benefits of which would be the avoidance of confrontation through nomination. What do you think? YellowMonkey (cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 01:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Codging

For your love of good articles and work around the wiki, I'd like to invite you to join the Old Codger's League :-) . +sj+ 15:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Being bullied by a nominator

Section moved to Wikipedia talk:Featured_article candidates#From Sandy's talkpage with this diff of said move. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)