User talk:Phgao/Archive

Urea hydrogen bonds

Hi Phgao, I reverted your edit to urea because it was partly wrong.

I guess you thought each nitrogen atom has a lone pair that can hydrogen bond - this is not the case. The lone pairs on the nitrogen atoms are delocalised into the conjugated system of pi orbitals, and are thus unable to form hydrogen bonds.

The article states that the carbonyl oxygen can form four hydrogen bonds. This is very unusual and unsourced, so I've requested a citation. So you may be correct that urea can form 8 hydrogen bonds, but it is certainly not from the nitrogen atoms.

Ben 12:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

August 2007

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to War on Terrorism: You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. Jeremyb 17:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure. By the way, I see that your last edit to your user page looks like it might have been a mistake. --Jeremyb 17:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Just start editing it. It should have the parent page and a slash (/) followed by whatever you want as the title, for example User:Phgao/Sandbox. A convenient way to start editing a page is by linking to it or visiting it and clicking start this page. More info: WP:SUBPAGE and WP:USERPAGE. Check out the {{tl}}, {{tls}} and {{tnull}} templates and related families for ways to easily link to templates. Also, might be interested in the {{user}} and {{unsigned}} families. --Jeremyb 17:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I've seen you use the edit summary "r" quite a bit and I'm wondering what you mean. Generally revert is abbreviated rv. See also Wikipedia:Edit summary legend (don't worry I haven't even finished reading the page no less no all the one's listed there). --Jeremyb 18:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar :D

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		For your efforts in keeping wikipedia vandalism-free and for beating me to a revert one too many times AngelOfSadness talk 17:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You clearly deserved a reward for your efforts after you reverted so much vandalism. It's good to know that wikipedia isn't running out of anti-vandals(I guess thats the word). Anyway, I know it's very annoying when bots beat you to the revert. I can always predict that once I press undo, Cluebot has already gone ahead, reverted the page AND warn the vandal by the time the page loads for me. AngelOfSadness talk 17:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The -1000 I think is number of kb(kilobytes) removed. Those bots are programmed to revert edits with a certain number of kb removed and without an edit summary to explain. I think that's what Cluebot(anti-vandalism bot) is programmed to do. Bots are designed to do the "tedious" tasks in editing. They're good in a way but they can misbehave a lot. I love it when I revert an edit that Cluebot didn't catch or warn a vandal who's edits were reverted by Cluebot, but it wasn't fast enough to keep up with me :D AngelOfSadness talk 17:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You got there a milisecond before me. Unfortunately there is no for the person to be automatically warned unless you're a bot (Damn bots can do everything). There are a couple of anti-vandalism tools that can help speed up reverts/warning people. I personally use Twinkle which gives faster rollback (better/faster than simply revving) and it gives you loads more tabs beside the userpage/discussion/edit this page tabs. The other tabs help with warning the vandal(like click the tab, enter the article name and pick the type of warning), csd(request for speedy deletion of articles again click the box), arv(reporting vandals to admins), request for page protection and afd(articles for deletion different from csd). Here's the article about using/getting Twinkle. There's a whole load of other anti-vandal tools here. AngelOfSadness talk 18:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle is so dead-easy to use, that you can revert multiple articles at once depending on how manytabs/windows your internet broswer can have open at any one time. When you're reverting vandalism for a while, you'll see the strangest edits and be surprised that someone would be bothered to write such fodder/sillyness in an article. But warning the vandals is good as the warning history is an indication to admins that the editor is not making constructive edits and should be blocked from editing. But that doesn't mean warning vandals can be good. There are some that take their anger out on your talkpage and/or userpage after you placed a test1 template warning on their talkpage. So there's downsides to warning vandals, but them attacking your userpages will certainly get them blocked. I know from experience and my userpage history can speak for itself on this one. AngelOfSadness talk 18:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Sardis city.

Thank you. My friend made the fartville edit; thanks for removing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.109.50.31 (talk) 19:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome

You're welcome for the revert. :) Acalamari 01:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi Phgao,

If you are still looking to be adopted, I would be happy to take on the task. I have been editing Wikipedia since March 2005, and have over 3000 edits. I have spent a considerable amount of time fighting vandalism, and writing/editing articles, but have also grown more involved in XfD's, and administrator related topics. Let me know if you're interested, and what you're looking to work on. Hiberniantears 20:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Outstanding! I'll take some time to really scrutinize your editing this weekend to see if their is anything specific I think I can help you with. Looking over your contributions quite briefly, you look to be a pretty strong editor already. As a fellow vandal fighter, I can probably be most helpful in that arena. The more I work on anti-vandalism, the more nuanced and interesting I find it. I'm always amazed at the subtle, clever ways people come up with to disguise vandalism, and find one of the greatest challenges to be not simply quickly spotting strange disruptions, but looking for patterns which may point on some hijacked IP's, or a number of editors acting in concert (or just one working through sockpuppets). In the mean time, please consider me at your service on any area of the project, and definitely feel free to delve into my own contributions. I've been here long enough to make a few mistakes, and learn from them along the way. I try to balance most of my current work with a little bit of article building, a lot of vandalism fighting, and a mixed bag of administrator related tasks, such as WP:AFD, and WP:CSD. I generally edit most days, so you can usually catch me on my talk page. My e-mail is also activated, so you can contact me that way by clicking on the "E-mail this user" link of my own user and talk page. Look forward to working with you! Hiberniantears 19:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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revert to Liar loan?

Is there any reason why you reverted my changes to liar loan? I switched the previous reference, which was unclear and confused subprime lending with stated-income lending, for a better one. The replacement is by a prof at Wharton, and includes details of the proposed law.

If you see any problems, then please let me know, rather than just reverting. Thanks. 24.91.134.90 07:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The old reference is just not very good--it does not distinguish between subprime and state-income loans, completely different concepts.

In any case, I've replaced my link with the exact same story (syndicated columnist) from the Seattle Times, which I trust should be respectable enough. 24.91.134.90 07:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		I know you've already got one, but I think you deserve another because you have beaten me to reverts about 10 times in the space of a 30 minute period! The Sanctuary Sparrow 08:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Australian Pavilion

A tag has been placed on Australian Pavilion, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Murderbike 10:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Your question on the 3RR rule

Great question. 3RR can actually be a pretty tricky rule when dealing with vandalism. The basic rule that you should always follow in this area is as such: Only exceed the 3RR limit in instanced of clear and blatant vandalism.

There are some excellent tips found here: Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule#Exceptions. The list of exceptions, IMHO, grows increasingly more complex as you move down. For the time being, I would stick to dealing with just the bullet at the top on blatant vandalism. That said, look over the rest of the list and take some time here and there to familiarize yourself with the policies (which are linked from the list). For example, the bullet on spam is a good next step, as you want to be certain that you can differentiate between spamming, and the good faith addition of links which might simply be considered extraneous. The real key here is thus: If you find yourself in a 3RR situation, before you cross that threshold, be certain that you are within the guidelines of policy. In most cases, if you are uncertain, simply move the discussion to either the article talk page, or the other editor's talk page.

Likewise, I would suggest that you always do two thing when reverting vandalism. First, leave an edit summary (which you do), and second, take a few extra seconds to leave a template message on the vandal's talk page. Often times, this step will inform you if you are dealing with an editor, or an IP which regularly vandalizes Wikipedia. When I am dealing with vandalism, I will often check the contributions off the editor who made the vandalism to see if they simply made a one off edit, or if they are making numerous bad faith edits. In either case I will always leave a template message (generally from the list of usual warnings. With any given vandal, you warn them once, and if they make another bad faith edit, warn them again... this continues to the fourth bad faith edit. If the editor makes a vandalism edit within a short period after the fourth warning, you can report them to WP:AIV, which is where administrators are alerted to vandals who need to be blocked. Individual admins take different approaches to blocking, and will generally consider the nature, quantity, and period of time a given editor has been making bad faith edits before deciding on a block time. I usually see blocks of around 24-31 hours.

As for the Visual kei which you asked me about. This article has actually popped up on my radar screen a number of times, and it seems to be the object of multiple POV editors. I don't personally know much on the subject, so I would be hesitant to wade into the article. However, I would not that the IP editor has escalated the issue to requests for page protection. Here is their diff from that page: [1], and here is the section: WP:RFP#Current_requests_for_protection. I would monitor this, rather than make any further reversions as the debate seems to involve a dispute over appropriate sources (and since I am unfamiliar with the topic, I don't know which sources are accurate). Hope this helps! Hiberniantears 14:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Image licenses

Well of the own work options multi license GFDL and creative commons allows for the greatest degree of reuse. It would really rathe depend on what you are trying to do. All the licenses do broadly the same thing (release the image for others to use as long as any derivatives are also released under the terms of the licsense and the author is credited).Geni 14:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

2mil

Thanks! Nobody's officially confirmed Oklahoma State Highway 113 yet as two millionth, but it's a very real possibility! —Scott5114↗ 08:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Smile:)

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Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Hey! No problem. Just trying to make wikipedia a more friendly place to be:) BTW, keep up your good vandal fighting. Salaam:)--SJP 23:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Great! One good action has a ripple affect. You never know how many people you will help by doing/saying something nice:) Keep it up!--SJP 23:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Why the heck not? :)

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pssst...

Hi Phgao! Just a quick reminder, when using warning templates, always use subst:, (i.e. {{subst:uw-test1|Article}} because if you don't, the template is transcluded, and if it is updated or changed, it won't reflect the version that you used when placing it. (see Wikipedia:Template substitution) I noticed you were just using {{test}}, and it wasn't converting, so thought I'd just pop over to remind you. Thanks! ^Ariel♥Gold 08:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. You accidentally put a leading space, which results in that "non format" box you'll see. That's caused when anyone "indents" or tabs in, or leads with a space. If you want to read an essay I wrote that is a guide for Recent Changes patrol, I'd not only love your feedback, but I think it may be helpful for you perhaps, you can find it at User:ArielGold/Etiquette2. It is long, though, so get a cup of coffee or tea if you're going to take a peek, and feel free to comment on the talk page of the essay if you have any comments, questions, or suggestions! Cheers, ^Ariel♥Gold 09:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S., if you have not already done so, you may want to go into your preferences (top right) and under the "edit" tab, check the box that says "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary". This is really helpful over time, because even if it is just something like "rv", it lets others know what you did with that edit. Just an idea! ^Ariel♥Gold 09:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have to? No. Is it desired and recommended, without a doubt. Not only to let the editor in question know what article you're referring to (helpful especially when someone goes on random sprees), but also to let other editors/administrators coming to warn the editor in question, they can easily see what articles he's been warned for already. I always, always do it. Additionally, a third parameter can be placed, with extra comments that you may wish to place, simply place it after the article's name, such as {{subst:uw-test1|Test Article|While your edit may have been funny, it was really not appropriate, so please refrain from further edits of this type in the future, thanks!}} Hope that helps! (And I cover that in the essay, as well, if you'd like to review it, along with the proper order, the proper amount of warnings to give, when, etc., like I said, it is pretty long, lol.) ^Ariel♥Gold 09:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha oh gosh, I wish there was a way to remove "minor edit" or "edit summary" link, I can't tell you the times I've clicked those instead. If you're using Firefox 2.0.0.6 though, just wait till the page loads, and hit the back button, and your edit will still be in the window. That's saved me some serious typing in the past! ^Ariel♥Gold 09:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

No, sorry for the confusion, let me try to clarify. Let's say you're editing something, and you've spent a good deal of time typing it up. Then you go to hit the "save page" button, and instead, you click the "edit summary" or "what's this" link, and you're automatically navigated to a new page. Don't panic, simply hit the back button/arrow on your browser (to go back one page, not the backspace key), and it will return you to the page, with the open edit box, and your text should still be written in the edit box, just as you left it. Hope that explains things! As for speed when reverting, well, speed is good, but as with everything, sometimes speed just isn't possible, when you need to evaluate the page history, user's contribs, previous warnings, etc., it is best to be extra sure in some situations. And if someone beats you to the revert, hey, no biggie, hee hee. Thanks for reading the essay, I'm glad you found it somewhat interesting, lol. It is too long, I need to trim it down before moving it to mainspace, but I do think it would be helpful to semi-new or new patrollers (well, I hope it is, anyway!). Cheers! ^Ariel♥Gold 09:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, using it without the parameters works, but I'd again encourage you to include the article you're referring to, both to help the editor, and the administrators who may review the actions and warnings for reference. While not required, it is encouraged that editors use that parameter when warning someone or placing notices. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Suggestion

Great work fighting vandalism! Just a suggestion: Try Twinkle -- it'll make your work easier. utcursch | talk 09:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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Here is how to use Twinkle in simple steps:

(1) Paste the text below into your monobook.js file:

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');

(2) save the new monobook.js page, and

(3) completely refresh your browser by bypassing your cache (hit Control-Shift-R in Firefox or Control-F5 in Internet Explorer).

Once you've done this, you'll see some extra tabs (in addition to "discussion", "edit this page", "history" etc.). Here's a screenshot: Image:TwinkleARV - AIV.png.

These tabs will provide additional functionality. For example, on a user talk page, you'll have "warn" tab. Clicking on "warn" will open a new window within the HTML page. You can choose the type of warning, level of warning and enter the article name. Click on submit, and the a warning will be left on the user's talk page. utcursch | talk 09:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hallo Arbeitstier. ;) Auch ich kann dir Twinkle nur empfehlen, damit wird die Vandalismusbekämpfung noch viel einfacher. Dazu empfehle ich dir noch WP:VF. Grüße, —DerHexer (Talk) 13:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

By boxes, do you mean tabs? I'm not sure Probably, it's because of your browser... According to WP:TWINKLE, Twinkle works best with Mozilla Firefox/Opera/Camino -- it won't work with Internet Explorer. You can always ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Twinkle. utcursch | talk 14:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome (again)

Thanks for remembering me (or was it the fact that the message was still on your talkpage ? ;)), but as long as i've got you on the hook, would you mind having a look at this. I'm quite sure we could use another pair of eyes, especially for some pending translations from Chinese. And, btw, you may still contact me for any questions you might have (if your adopter is busy or so). Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar 15:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Wrestlecrap

Thanks for the help with Wrestlecrap, it's been extremely difficult to deal with lately. They keep getting banned and keep coming back. Wikipedia doesn't think the page gets enough traffic for it to be protected, even though there have been how many edits just today alone? But instead of ranting I'll just thank you again for the help. DX927 19:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• Nah, I don't think it's hasty at all, there were just a few instances where we had a vandal posing as someone affiliated with the website just to try and justify their vandalism as fact and I just wanted to let people know that it was the other way around. Sorry if that sounded confusing but the whole thing is pretty screwed up anyway. And honestly it worked out for the best because I found even more people who are willing to watch the pages for vandalism now. DX927 23:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Oddfellows Oz

Thanks. Pdfpdf 15:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No problems! (I read you have teenage children! You could say I'm a teenager as well. Phgao 15:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Mmmm. It's been a while since I was a teenager! Pdfpdf 16:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, did I mention I'm in Australia too? Phgao 16:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No, you didn't. Pdfpdf 16:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Melbourne is a fun place... Unfortunately I haven't been up to Adelaide. Phgao 16:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

(As a matter of idle curiosity,) why don't you mention that on your user page? Pdfpdf 16:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I actually prefer not to put too much personal details up there. Got to be careful sometimes. But I see you even have your suburb! Phgao 16:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a big suburb! Pdfpdf 16:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you a native Melbournian? Pdfpdf 16:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

(It's 2am. I'm going to bed. "See" you when it's daylight. Pdfpdf 16:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC))

Toolbox

Hmm... depends on what you are trying to do. Do you mean that you just want the links to be on your user page, but not in a box, or do you mean that you want the actual box located elsewhere? Hiberniantears 17:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you may have stumped me with that one. My user page is pretty much the result of lots of trial and error. I controlled the location of the boxes primarily using page breaks. Feel free to click into the editing field of my page and look at the code. Also, I just reverted a little vandalism to your user page. Hiberniantears 19:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Click there to open your card! → → →

Dearest Phgao,
Thank you for your participation in my RFA, which closed successfully with 96 supports, 1 oppose, and 3 neutrals. No matter if you !voted support, oppose, neutral, I thank you for taking the time to drop by. I'm a new admin remember, so if you have any suggestions feel free to inform me of them. I would like to give a special shout out to Hirohisat, Wizardman, and Husond, for there original co-nominations. Thank you once again and good day.

Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor

Credits

This RFA thanks was inspired by Phaedriel's RFA thanks. So unfortunatly this is not entirely my own design.

Roger Y. Tsien

Phgao! I am searching for information about Roger Y. Tsien. Please don't do anything to the article for about an hour. Thank you. RS1900 13:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedies

1. You can not delete a user page by speedy for lack of notability, only an article. 2. Any assertion of claim to notability or importance is sufficient to prevent speedy. Saying someone has published several books or is a professor at a university is sufficient for that. It doesnt necessarily have to be enough to show WP:Notability , just make a claim to it. Please do not overuse speedy, and make extra work for the admin --like me--there is quite enough real junk to remove. DGG (talk) 14:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Right, I was sure the user p;. was an accident--in this case it did look like an article!. -- and I see it really happened as an edit conflict. No problem there.

and please check WP:PROF--though not stated there is so many words, essentially all full professors at research universities turn out to have published enough and to have attained sufficient positions and editorships and awards to be found notable at Afd. I can recall only 2 or 3 exceptions in the last 6 months or so. For associate professors, it depends, and for assistant professors, they are usually not yet sufficiently well know. It's a good idea to quickly check for publications in google Scholar--not exact, but gives a rough idea. Remember you can use WP:PROD when in doubt. Happy hunting--almost all of what you have been doing is excellent! DGG (talk) 14:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Mecklenberg--test or context or empty would all have done, since we have an article. If we had not had one, it would be kept , labeled {{expand}} --oddly, all inhabited places are considered notable, large or small, no matter how little is in the article. Sounds silly, but it saves an immense about of disputation over which villages count as significant. You might want to check WP:STUB and WP:Common outcomes, as well as WP:CSD.

for Nathan Bazley, yes it goes. As it wasn't really empty, I marked it as db-test, but another admin found it was a copyvio, which is always a sure reason for deletion. Remember about WP:PROD when in doubt. DGG (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Your note about Hills Foodland

Thank you for your message. I (foolishly) assumed it was not notable or merely advertising/junk, but I have since removed the tag and added about two sentences to it and an external link. --J. Atkins ^{(talk - contribs)} 14:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

No problems! I've made mistakes too, I wanted to point it out to you, as I was also looking for pages like that, and came upon it and I myself was going to tag it, but I always try to google articles that seem to me which could be notable. Oh and don't call yourslf foolish as "to err is human". Keep up the good work! Phgao 14:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for being understanding. Just so you know, I've posted a message on the creator's talk page. Best wishes, --J. Atkins ^{(talk - contribs)} 15:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

No sweat, it's good that you followed it all up as well. Phgao 15:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for pointing it out.I have cancelled my vote.Pharaoh of the Wizards 19:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverting without warning?

Hello. I am just curious as to why you reverted ([2], [3]) the deletions made by 69.254.101.153 (talk · contribs), but did not issue them a warning explaining why you reverted their edits. --Kralizec! (talk) 19:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello thanks for the message. Firstly what the anon ip did was remove referenced material as well as lines of infomation without himself adding a edid summary. However I do not go and warn every user I meet unless the edits are overtly offensive or blantent vandalism. Also it is evident the ip does not want warnings as he blanked the page http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=User_talk:69.254.101.153&action=history. Which I reverted. Have a good day! Phgao 02:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore I see you edit http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=United_States_Naval_reactor&action=history quite a bit and I welcome you following up on my reverts. Phgao 02:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

If we do not tell people what they did wrong, how are they ever going to learn? Your edit summary does not even say why you reverted the edits, so this anonymous editor would be totally clueless as to what happened to their edits. --Kralizec! (talk) 03:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes I always put "r" when I revert. I take that as being sufficient. In addition, I rarely revert contentious edits, always those that are blatent or remove referenced/sourced material or those that remove chunks of material without putting edit summaries themselves. Phgao 03:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Can I add that if "r" is not sufficient, and you would like me to give detailed explanations for each revert, that is not possible as when I'm reverting vandalism every 10 seconds on RCP, a simple "r" does it for me. Also I expect most using programs to assist in reverting would have added me to ignore, not showing my edits. Phgao 03:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

What does an edit summary of "r" mean to a new, unregistered user? Heck, as a multi-year Wikipedia user, "r" does not even mean "revert" to me ("r" means redirect, as in WP:R). Regardless, as noted in WP:REVERT, "it is very important to let people know why you reverted ... Explaining reverts also helps other people. For example, it lets people know whether they need to even view the reverted version (in the case of, eg, "rv page blanking")." --Kralizec! (talk) 03:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry no one else has pointed this out to me, I believe I will stick to what I do. Most editors are not babies, and they should be able to understand that removing infomation without any desription of why, will lead to it being put back. Also if I were to place a tag, I would simply place a warn tag for vandalism, which every other RCP person does. Note that the warn tag does not really explain why either, but vandalism is vandalism. Phgao 03:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

3 revert rule

Hi, Phgao. That article has been deleted more than once in the past as a cross-namespace redirect. --Rrburke^(talk) 03:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Welcoming!

I forgot to sign. It wasn't intentional.

A suggestion: do not link within Wikipedia using external links as opposite to double brackets. I'm browsing Wp through their SSL interface, and when I followed that non-SSL link without realizing I did, I got logged off. If you had used an internal link that wouldn't have happened. It's more logical, too.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 03:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I'm don't understand what you are saying as I'm not that clued up with regards to the interal workings of the site. Can you explain further? Phgao 03:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

There's not much to explain, really. Just keep in mind, if it's something in Wikipedia or one of its sister projects, you should always use an internal link like this. The SSL interface uses a completely different address from the standard //en.wiki.x.io, so the session cookie (do you know what a cookie is?) only works for one address, not both, and that's why I got logged off. Anyway, just remember the internal vs external links stuff, and you'll be fine.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 03:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do know what a cookie is *laughs*. Ok got it! Thanks. Phgao 03:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Coopration

Why do you remove my comments? Did I say anything bad to you? Look, cooperation is very important in Wikipedia. You joined Wikipedia on August 5, 2005 and I joined Wikipedia on July 15, 2007. In future you may need my help and I may need your help. We should cooperate with each other. So, you can just write on my talk page that the article on Roger Y. Tsien is fine. Good luck. RS1900 04:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thank you! Now, everything is fine. All the best. RS1900 05:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Opinion edits!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it okay to put our own opinions into a page? Like is it alright for a guy like me to write on the Chris Lawrence or Cooper Cronk page that I want to see them in tight gym pants and i want to squeeze their bulges? Or is that a form of vandalism? What if you tell a true story about them (i have one here) in an empty toilets at the mall i saw Chris lawrence and grabbed his crotch... he told no one due to the embarrassment and said if i did it again he would smash me... Is that allowed?

P.S. Thankyou for the welcome it was very useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pooh the hat (talk • contribs) 04:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Coopration

Why do you remove my comments? Did I say anything bad to you? Look, cooperation is very important in Wikipedia. You joined Wikipedia on August 5, 2005 and I joined Wikipedia on July 15, 2007. In future you may need my help and I may need your help. We should cooperate with each other. So, you can just write on my talk page that the article on Roger Y. Tsien is fine. Good luck. RS1900 04:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes I saw your tag, no problems. Hope you can get a good article on him then. Best of luck. Phgao 13:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes no one likes to see a hand sign or a warning sign on their user talk. Have fun, and sorry for any confusion. See you around. I'm sure you will be a great wikipedian! Phgao 05:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thank you! Now, everything is fine. All the best. RS1900 05:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

uploading photos

As a freelance Photographer I have SO many interesting original pictures in my computer - but I can't figure out how to upload them to Wikipedia for everyone to enjoy. Can someone please help me? Wikibrookjoel 05:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to help you. Please click on http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Upload then choose

• It is entirely my own work

And you name your file, add the licencing then click upload! You can create a page on your User Page with your photos on it, and if you believe they are good, then you can add them to articles as well! Need more help? Ask me. Phgao 06:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Thanks same to you buddy Nick10000 10:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello I saw you cleaning vandalism, good work! Phgao 08:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hallo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shalpher (talk • contribs) 11:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome again, have a look around, you can freely edit your user page [4] and add what ever you want to a certain extent. Oh and try to sign your edits as well with 4 ~'s Phgao 11:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The Truth

Hi,My name is Joseph.i like your website very much but the problem is that ther is little right ifo on azerbaijan i,ve traveled to azerbaijan several times and have tested their cuisine and i know it very well but problem is that some armenian dudes think that if they have stong diaspora and nobody comments what they write in internet and give the wrong info to people so they can take evrything they want from azerbaijan and georgia then they are not right,in armeian article about cuisine i 've metioned aout 7 azeri and 4 gergian natonal foods which armenian people can't even preapare.So just what i want is to give right info to people not Armenian Diaspora but as forighner who knows Azerbaijan and armenia plus geogia very well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cavansir (talk • contribs) 11:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello feel free to add legable, and referenced comments to articles and make sure you fill in the edit summary. As always http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold ! Phgao 11:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Welcoming!

I was pretty sure there was a message here the night before. No matter.

No, what you did is still not okay. Why? It's still an external link to something internal. Where's the logic in that? Didn't you notice that there's an arrow on the right side? To link to someone's talk page, you should do this and not this. Alright?--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 12:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh I archived my talk page. Got it! I'll attempt to remember next time I link on your page. Thanks. Phgao 12:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

This wasn't advice for when you "link in my page", but for when dealing with Wikipedia. You know what, nevermind, do whatever you want.--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves ^{talk / contribs} (join WP:PT) 12:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Just would like to say hi and I signed up because I am so annoyed at the amount of vandalism on the pages I come across so it's about time I did something. Still getting used to the interface though - hopefully it will grow on me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikhull (talk • contribs) 12:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

That is great that youwant to contribute. You can easily see the recent changes on this page http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:Recentchanges then click history to see the 2 versions and revert if neccessary. But you have to be quick as there are otheres doing the same thing! Have fun. Phgao 12:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Question from new user

How come my username is valid only for the english portal of Wikipedia? Must I register as a different user in case I'd like to use the portal in other language? And to use it, I don't mean to browse it, I mean to participate in it as a registered user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucinia (talk • contribs) 13:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Bits and Pieces

Feel free to take whatever you like. Most of my user page is a hodgepodge of things I picked up from other editors, and adapted for my own style. Hiberniantears 13:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Nehrams2020

Actually, you borrowed it off Spebi (talk · contribs), so it's all good :P Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 05:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

western

I'm sorry, I am confused by your request, would you be more specific?Cholga^talK! 06:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I see you fixed it. No probs. See http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Morses_Gulch&diff=158440999&oldid=158440904 and it happened in one more of your articles too. But the newest one was fixed. See ya. Phgao 06:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

thats great thanks for the looking out, hehe glad i copied and pasted from each new one and not from same old one which seems to have saved us both a headache.Cholga^talK! 06:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

laughs, Ah yes indeed. So you copied my fixed version. Keep up good work. Phgao 06:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

hey thanks i will, and i guess you wrote that one word in like 10 articles vicariously though me! yah all i was doing was adding the elevation to Dogtown, Marin County, California's infobox and i saw a creek which i remembered reading about in my research for the article so i worked it in as a redlink and since i had a source i went for it and then all hell broke loose and i kept on adding each next creek haha, i guess im lucky some were not named or else i would have added those too, but knowing me itll drive me crazy not knowing and ill find out what the names are from somewhere and ill add them in later. damn ADD and its hyperfocus and obsessivenessCholga^talK! 06:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

lol dont remind me, id probably just take it as a challenge to finish them all tonight!! and thats not the only one either i allready finished Template:San Francisco Bay Area Public Transit although i have been adding heritage Key System services like the E&SR=)Cholga^talK! 06:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Holey! That's a lot of articles, you are really prolific, but hopefully some of them will not remain stubs! Phgao 06:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

most of them don't, people won't bother to create somthing when they cant find it, but most are more than willing ton add to them if they find something small, for instance i created Marin Transit and that has grown very nicely, the much larger Wheels has not though, so maybe i will intervene. I also created Template:History of Richmond, California and Template:Geography of Richmond, California. and damn almost everything in [[[[Category:Richmond, California]]]]. I think my favorite is Point Isabel Regional Shoreline all the argueing really made it great in the end.Cholga^talK! 07:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, some have turned out very nice. I think because ip's cannot create articles, therefore if they cant find it, they cant do anything, and perhaps dont want to create account. But if they find one, they will add to it. Phgao 07:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

and even though WP:OWN exists and people cant help pointing it out, im very paternal with the ones i create and visit them so to speak to see how they are going,its funny how much info you can get with a simple google search on a subject, anything you want an article about? haha.Cholga^talK! 07:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

and that is so true about the IPs, and i like to expand because it helps with my writting and research for school.Cholga^talK! 07:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes no one owns articles, even though they started them. But it's good to keep up to date with what's happening to them. Phgao 07:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you very much for your support at my RfA. Regards, Jogers (talk) 09:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

No problems! I'm sure you will be a fantastic admin. Have fun! Phgao 11:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Happy editing with AWB :-) Jogers (talk) 11:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah thanks for allowing me, I plan on having a look, but I'm really not familiar with it at all. Hopefully I can configure it to do some menial tasks. Phgao 11:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: AWB

Wow I just saw you as a AWB Developer! You must have surely contributed a lot. Phgao 11:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Not really, I've started to help with the development quite recently. Please let me know if you have any questions about using the software. Jogers (talk) 12:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Will do, I just downloaded it, and I don't think I will be using it. I'll stick to reverting vandalism, welcoming users, reporting as well as checking the new pages. Phgao 12:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Salzlandkreis

Hi, thanks for adding articles for municipalities in the Salzlandkreis, but... please check the interwiki's of the articles you created, because they all (at least the ones I checked) point to de:Eggersdorf (bei Schönebeck). Markussep ^Talk 15:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I have a cooperation with User:Wikidudeman, in which I check and create the articles with possibly ambiguous names, and he creates the rest (the easy ones) using AWB. Works very well and fast, so if you want to contribute, maybe we can find something else for you to do. Like adding the infoboxes {{Infobox German Location}} to existing articles, using the infoboxes from German wikipedia. All you have to do is check whether it's the right municipality, copy the code from de:, replace "Ort in Deutschland" with "German Location" and check whether it shows up nicely. Markussep ^Talk 15:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer! The whole project (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Cities) is enormous, but since there are several people working on it, you can do whatever you like whenever you like. About the infoboxes, you choose a district that has "OK" under its navigation bar (for instance, the top one of Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Cities/Saxony-Anhalt, Altmarkkreis Salzwedel). When you've added the right infobox to all articles in one district, you add "incl. infoboxes" to the "OK" on the project page. There are also several articles with the old style infobox (see for instance Salzwedel), these should be replaced. If you're not sure you're doing the right thing, ask me and I'll check it. Markussep ^Talk 18:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Christopher Reich

This has been unspeedied as he's appeared on the NYT Best Seller list. Use an AFD is you still don't consider him notable enough. Exxolon 16:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Replied (in the usual Ariel Verbosity)

On my talk page. ^Ariel♥Gold 18:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed I am too glad to know such a upstanding wikipedian! ( *bows back* ) Boy have I found a nice quote from The Bard himself, He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his argument. Verbosity in general from politicians is frowned upon, however elaboration as you rightly do, is another thing.

The Wikimedia one gets its info from another copy of Wikipedia and thus I think lags behind other tools. The one in preferences includes absolutely everything you have done, so every time you click save, bang, another count, so page moves and deletions/deleted contributions as you rightly said. I did have a look at Village Pump and came across this conversation. Edit Count in Preferences. But I do agree that the distribution of edits is more important, as someone who writes a lot of articles as compared with someone who fights vandalism and warns would have a completely different distribution. Phgao 04:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly. Or someone who is overly verbose, like me, and has tons of talk page comments . I think I still like Kate's, just because it lets me see where and how I've been editing lately, and that's helpful to me. And, okay I'm going to admit my ignorance, lol... but honestly I had no idea that "my preferences" had your edit count! It didn't really sink in in the original question, because I only noticed that just now reading your reply. I'm old, so you can cut me some senility slack, ^Ariel♥Gold 06:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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r

Good evening young sir! I think I noticed someone petitioning you the other day about the cryptic and information-free nature of your edit comments. (Must have been archived; can't put my finger on it at the moment.)

I'm afraid I agree with them. Even if the reader did know that "r" meant "revert" (which I didn't, and others have mentioned that they didn't), so what? It's bleeding obvious you reverted it! (Putting "r" only confuses people who don't know into thinking you meant something else, and wastes their time trying to work out what "r" does means. "rv" is less cryptic, but still doesn't add any information to what is already obvious.)

Remember: The edit comment is there to communicate to people why you did what you did. You may know what you mean, but you haven't communicated with anyone if they have no idea what you mean ...

Regards, Pdfpdf 10:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. I don't quite understand what exactly you are advocating for me to do. Yes of course, the edit summary is for others to understand what I have done. You have said ""rv" is less cryptic, but still doesn't add any information to what is already obvious." So what is it exactly you would like me to do? At the end you also say "they have no idea what you mean ..." and you finish with "...", which sort of implies, there is something missing, or the train of thought is broken; you have not really offering any suggestions, and finish with a generalised statement defining the edit summary (I agree with your statement).

Furthermore, you say "It's bleeding obvious you reverted it!", I'm not sure what you imply with that, is it that i should instead leave the edit summary blank *gasp*, as anyone who looks at history will see it was a revert, as not to confuse others to what my intention is, or get them to waste time thinking what *r* could possibily mean, or are you trying to say something else? Thank you for your comment, I look forward in hearing back from you. Phgao 10:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Gotta feed the dog (and myself) - back soon. Pdfpdf 10:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

How ironic! Here I am rabbiting on about how you haven't communicated with anyone if they have no idea what you mean, and you can't work out what my point is! I apologise, and will now step down from my soapbox.

So what is it exactly you would like me to do? An entirely reasonable question. Being brief:
I'd like you to put something more informative in your edit comments.

I'm not asking for an essay, just something informative. For example, one of my most frequent edit comments (unfortunately) is "rv vandalism". Others with a high frequency count are "rv POV", "rv unsubstantiated opinion", "rv This is an encyclopaedia, not a blog" and similar. (I've yet to resort to "What a load of rubbish!", but believe me, I've been tempted.)

Q: Where's this all coming from? A: Your "r" on The Chaser.
(P.S. Why did you "r" it? It wasn't vandalism, and it did seem to add some value.)

is it that i should instead leave the edit summary blank *gasp*, - Good Heavens No! (Shock, Horror, disbelief, etc.)

as anyone who looks at history will see it was a revert, - but only if they know what "r" means.

or are you trying to say something else? - Possibly! (But not intentionally!)
So far, just: "I'd like you to put something more informative in your edit comments."

Regards, Pdfpdf 11:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks for the clarification. I will clear things up a bit as well I hope. I added "r" to The Chaser article, as I made a split decision that now I see as wrong, as I do on RC Patrol, that firstly it was an ip which itself did not leave a edit summary, secondly I thought why would someone add who they were when the article itself is about "The Chaser", and thirdly, why would someone add who they were at the bottom of the paragraph, instead of adding it directly into the line where it would have said "the three"; and so I assumed from that, that it was already there (who they were) and thus not needed again as that would be repetitious and superfluous. However, after reviewing the edit I see I was mistaken, and have since added the info direct into the paragraph instead of at the end from the ip. [[5]]. So yes it was a mistake, and I will make those as to err is human.

Might I add, I was indeed wondering why you brought it up, and it was good you mentioned exactly where you got it from. ie the chaser article.

I will take your concerns into account, for obvious vandalism I will use r as well as rv and I will review some edits more to verify they indeed are vandalism. (So I'll stay away from any contentious edits). Also I just want to point out a slight misquoting, you quoted me "as anyone who looks at history will see it was a revert," - but only if they know what "r" means. and that was your reply. But my comment was related to the fact that I was alluding to leaving the edit summary blank and that editors who then click on history, or "diff" will see it was a revert. (So your comment was not applicable, as there would not have been a r.)

But all in all I appreciate your comments and feel free to drop a note anytime. (as well as replying to this message as you see fit). Phgao 11:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Jolly good. Till next time. Cheers, Pdfpdf 12:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

previously blocked policies

You'll see it applied differently depending on the situation, but you essentially have two different options:

• 1) Wikipedia:Long term abuse - Where you can report persistent vandalism from a logged in user
• 2) Wikipedia:Abuse reports - Where you can report IP vandals who have been a problem over a long period of time

In the case of #2, especially dealing with school IP's, most of us will give a very long rope, extending sometimes over a period of a year or more, depending on the intensity. The thought here is that a school IP is not always the same person, and may often be a shared IP involving thousands of students, some of whom make positive contributions. With a recurrent vandal I usually will still give out the 4 warnings before requesting a block, but in severe instances, involving attacks, very rapid vandalism, or a combination, I will give warnings 3 and 4, and then move to get the vandal blocked. Hiberniantears 11:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Anytime! Also, here's a pretty good example of one of those shared IP's I was talking about: User talk:150.199.179.92 This is a school, and is constantly being warned/blocked... but over a period of time you probably are dealing with new students. Plus, you may have a teacher who uses Wikipedia in the classroom for a lesson plan, and while that introduces students to us, it also invites them to experiment with Wikipedia just to see if things really get reverted, or if anyone really can make changes. Hiberniantears 13:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Leuk the Duck

A tag has been placed on Leuk the Duck, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per CSD g12.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. — madman bum and angel 13:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Leuk the Duck

Whenever doing speedy deletions of copyvios, I check the putative source to make sure there is no confusion, and in this case I think the Wikipedia article was too similar. My suggestion is that you find a few more sources, if possible, and read all of them before you re-write the article. Then rewrite it from memory without looking at your sources, which should prevent any unconscious copying. You can even do this in your userspace if you want, and then move it to the main article space. Sorry to have pulled it out from under you in the middle of rewriting though - because you hadn't said anything about this on the talk page I didn't realize it was being worked on. Natalie 14:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

p.s. to your p.s.: Things can still be a copyright infringement even if they aren't word for word copies. If something is a word for word copy except for two words, that may still be a copyright infringement. AFAIK, the idea of this is to prevent people from being able to use copyright materials by just changing a few words. I believe the "blatantly" the tag refers to covers three things: that the source text is definitely under copyright, that the source text came first (some people do copy from Wikipedia, so this is an important point), and that the entire article was copied from the source text, rather than one or two sentences within a larger article which may have been borrowed inadvertantly. However, I am not absolutely sure about this, so you may want to ask at the talk page of Wikipedia: Candidates for speedy deletion. Natalie 14:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Dreadstar RfA

Click there to open your card! → → →

Phago,
Thank you for your participation in my RFA, which closed successfully with 55 supports, 15 oppose, and 1 neutral. No matter if you !voted support, oppose, neutral, I thank you for taking the time to vote in my nomination. I'm a new admin, so if you have any suggestions feel free to let me know. I would like to give a special shout out to Fang Aili, Phaedriel, and Anonymous Dissident, for their co-nominations. Thank you all!

Dreadstar

This RFA thanks was inspired by The Random Editor's modification of Phaedriel's RFA thanks.

Thanks for your support! I took the easy way out of thanking everyone by stealing borrowing someone else's design...but know that I sincerely appreciate your support and confidence in me! Dreadstar † 07:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Our first post RfA teamwork! [6].  ;) Dreadstar † 08:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

lol..! Almost, it was actually my tenth block, but it was the longest one so far...Dreadstar † 08:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot about the infinitely long block, I was only counting the specific time period ones...and YES! That's why I dropped you the note, I saw your reports and took care of'em...thus our teamwork..! Very cool...Dreadstar † 08:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, my last message was a mass mailing, an infinite mass mailing..;) (ok it was the best I could come up with this late.. :D Dreadstar † 08:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Tireless work at WP:CSD

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For your relentless efforts and excellent accuracy at tagging inappropriate content I award you this branstar. In addition I'm delighted to note you allways warn the creating editor. Thank you! Pedro |  Chat  11:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

"Lost" Edits

I used to be a regular at tagging for CSD before getting some tools, and now I spend time deleting them instead! I was in the same situation with a high user talk count because my "deleted" edits were "lost". If you want to get an idea of your server edits as opposed to Interiot's tool just click "my preferences". Your server edit count is there and you can work out how many edits have been deleted by subtracting one from the other! Just a handy bit of knowledge if you were ever thinking of going here. And although it's mundane work it can be hard to be 100% accurate, yet whenever I see your reports I know it's normally spot on. Pedro |  Chat  11:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit counting is bad, but it's disapointing to be opposed at RfA if a lot of your edits were deleted! Regarding admin reversions see WP:ROLLBACK#Rollback - basically it's a quick way of reverting with minimal button pushing - it reverts all of an editors contribs back to the last edit before them - handy for multiple vandalism. I've never used Twinkle but I believe it is similar to some of the scripts that uses in terms of end effect. I look forward to your future RFA! Pedro |  Chat  12:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

ID

Most people think its Hibernian FC, but its really just a reference to my Irish heritage. As a Bostonian, all I have is the Revs, though I must admit some loyalty to Sevilla FC, from my days as a student in that fine city. Hiberniantears 13:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Re. Tagging

Cheers mate. I didn't actually notice the caps until you mentioned it - I just scanned a few lines and thought...hmmm borderline notability!! lol, have a good night =) SMC89 ^{( talk • contribs )} 13:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Wu Chun - rv?

Hi, I noticed that you had reverted my edit -- on article Wu Chun -- in which I tagged the trivia section. I was wondering what your justification for this revert was. In case you do not know, trivia sections should be avoided per WP:ATS. Thanks for any response. Crassic^(talk) 00:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but they should be incorporated into the article if they are important, rather then just blanked and deleted. Phgao 05:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware, I appropriately tagged the section rather than removing it. Crassic^(talk) 11:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

That's good! See you around! Phgao 11:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Salvation army

hi i just want to no why do the salvation army use there logo because im doing somthing that has something to do with the salvation army and if you dont no i dont no who to ask please help me if i get the answer i will always stay on this web site

Thank you !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lebanese1 (talk • contribs) 06:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose Parliament House, Canberra as this week's WP:ACID winner

JoshuaArgent 06:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the process of maintenance is not automated at all! Apart from the templates, that is. This was my first attempt at rollover. It took me an hour. But if it wasn't for people like us doing the maintenance, we wouldn't actually HAVE a rollover. Annoying, but necessary. JoshuaArgent 06:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

There are 2 types of maintenance: updates and rollover. Updates are when you check for overdue topics and anon votes etc. Rollover is when you update the current collaboration topic. Rollover is much harder than it looks, trust me! JoshuaArgent 06:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Bots

The bot even warned me! Fortunately, we managed to sort it all out. Unfortunately, all my edits have since been rolled back, and the page takes 15 minutes to load again. Turkey is a tough article to work on, because you have a lot of very entrenched, and diametrically opposed POV editors there. Makes it difficult to make technical edits... Hiberniantears 12:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Barneca RfA thank you spam

Phgao, thank you for your support during my RfA, especially after the concerns that were brought up by other editors. I'll keep all of the comments in mind in the coming months, and will try again later. In the mean time, if you see me doing something stupid, please let me know. See you around. --barneca (talk) 13:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

OpenLearn

OpenLearn was a short article because I was working on it, and I was intending to grow it. I had some reference material (there are many, not only OU's) opened in front of me and I was trying to research it more in order to make it an article rather than a stub (which is possible and that's why I made it an article in the first place rather than a section). I guess I should have put a notice in the article explaining that it's under construction, but are you sure it's a good idea to judge an article from its first 2 minutes of life? NerdyNSK 18:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

woops

woops, didn't mean to actually save the article haldo. go ahead and delete it --PolarWolf ( sign ) 18:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, 'k. Thanks anyway :) --PolarWolf ( sign ) 18:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Smile

Why thank you! What was the smile for? :-) Cheers again! Scarian^Talk 18:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - "whoa"

Thank you, you are very kind. Trying to set the standard here!Cutler 19:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Tempered Zealot Productions Entry

Just wanted to get an idea by what you mean when you say "it reads badly and needs cleaned up a lot"

Took me about a week to compile the data and I removed a lot of unnecessary information. I'm relatively new to editing and adding Wiki articles and I'd really appreciate some help rather than having people just deleting all the work I've done.

I did structure the article based on several entries including Paramount, Kevin Smith, and so on. Jeffrey Pastrelli 19:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

CSD G4 use

CSD G4 is for recreation of material deleted at an WP:XfD. CSD G4 is not for recreation of material previously speedy deleted. Thanks. -- Jreferee T/C 19:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Bot

The edits occurred at the exact same time, it's like an edit conflict. --ST47Talk·Desk 20:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The now-traditional RFA thank-spam

Click there to open your card! → → →

Dear Phgao,

Thank you for your participation in my RFA, which closed successfully with 83 supports, 1 oppose, and 0 neutrals. No matter if you voted (I mean, "!voted") support or oppose, I thank you for taking the time to drop by. I'm new, remember, so if you have any suggestions feel free to inform me of them, and if I do anything wrong, feel free to add to the permanent chorus of disapproval on my talk page. Special thanks to Walton^One and Dihydrogen Monoxide for nominating me.

iridescent (talk to me!) 21:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Credits

This design was brazenly stolen from inspired by Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor's RFA Thanks, which in turn was inspired by Phaedriel's RFA thanks.

RFA Thanks!

Thanks for your participation for my RFA bid and for your support.--JForget 23:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

I owe you a big thank you for supporting me in My RfA, which was successful with 67 supports and 20 opposes. - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 23:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Outdo myself? lol

What do you mean by I outdo myself? lol. Do you think it is a bad thing that I tend to have long responses to queries from new users? ^Ariel♥Gold 11:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Mark Knight (cartoonist)

On 23 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mark Knight (cartoonist), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 17:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Secret Barnstar

Here you go! You earned it!

		The Secret Page Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Phago for finding the secret page on Some Person's user page! Great job!

—Some Person 18:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oxford Group

You undid a lot of your own additions to the "Oxford Group" article. I thought your additions were very well researched and insightful, and was wondering why you removed them yourself? Although your long addition to the lead paragraph should perhaps be broken into a section of the main article, the content was very worthwhile and I would hope to see it added back in. Hipgnostic 18:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Your VandalProof Application

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Phgao. As you may know, VP is a very powerful program, and in fact the just released 1.3 version has even more power. Because of this we must uphold strict protocols before approving a new applicant. Regretfully, I have chosen to decline your application at this time. The reason for this is that: not warning users when reverting. Please note it is nothing personal by any means, and we certainly welcome you to apply again soon. Thank again for your interest in VandalProof. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 23:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Nehrams2020 RfA Thanks

Thank you for your participation in my RfA, which closed successfully with unanimous support. I also wanted to thank you for running the edit counter for the talk page, it probably took a long time (at least it does for me!). I appreciate you taking the time to stop by and vote and I can't wait to learn the new tools and further immerse myself into Wikipedia! Please don't hesitate to point out any errors I make so I can prevent them from occurring again. I'm always here to help, so if you ever need anything, just let me know. Also, thanks to Wizardman for nominating me and for guiding many other editors to become admins. Again, thank you and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 06:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

		My RFA
		Thanks for your support in my request for adminship, which ended with 58 supports, 1 opposes, and 1 neutral. I hope your confidence in me proves to be justified. Addhoc 18:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)