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The Signpost: 31 October 2011

copyvio

You reverted the jenkins page (and reverted my CSD) but I reaplied as CSD. even on the earlier version, its still heavily copied from that website. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I've asked already JohnCD to have a look - I'm not at my best. Peridon (talk) 21:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Randy Bettis‎

Thanks for the pointer. I've removed the CSD tag, since it now does have clear assertions of notability. I added a BLPPROD as there aren't reliable sources for any of it. THanks again, Sparthorse (talk) 20:25, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Nice one

I really liked the comment in this, thank you for the smile. --John (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

G8 Deletions

Looking at the deletion log, I notice you seem to be making a decent number of G8 deletions for talk pages without corresponding articles. I thought you may be able to provide insight on the current methods for locating such pages for an idea lab discussion on the issue, Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#Talk Page Rights. Monty845 17:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Philogelt

what is wrong with the murl thrush page he is a notable figure on several fronts as a coach and a fighter for religious tollerence he helped overcome the new york athletic clubs ban on jews and blacks what do i need to do to get an approved page ernie theirer thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philogelt (talk • contribs) 16:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

As a high school teacher or coach, he's not notable for that. As to anything else, the NYT obit gives nothing of note. Being a lobbyist or activist isn't itself notable. Look at WP:BIO and WP:RS for the sort of reliable independent sources you need to prove that he fits BIO. Remember that we are talking about Wikipedia's concept of notability, not what may be in your dictionary. There is probably a Sports Project here that might help you - if you use {{helpme}} at the bottom of your talk page and ask the question there, someone will be able to point you in the right direction. (Copy that thing in brackets from the display side of this page, not from the editing side. I've nowikied it on the edit side to deactivate it here. It will work on your page.) BTW Please sign talkpage posts with ~~~~. Peridon (talk) 20:50, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Aston Barclay Deletion

Hi, I have read your comments about your deletion on the Aston Barclay entry and feel that if Wikipedia is not to be a 'directory' then the rules around the inclusion of companies need reviewing. If a commercial entity is to be included, then thought should be given to that companies competitors and the detrimental effect that the inclusion of one but not all (or any other) companies in the same sector can have on said non-included company. I would ask that you review the pages of BCA and Manheim Remarketing and offer an explanation as to why these are considered worthy of inclusion when other companies in the same industry sector are not, even when the companies perform the same fuctions, within the same consumer market, to (largely) the same group of customers, within the same organisation and historical system. I look foward to your reply and clarification on these points. TomMapes (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

While I'm looking, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Peridon (talk) 10:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm. BCA is a disambiguation page with no mention of car sales that I can see, and I'm still looking for the other one. Peridon (talk) 10:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
You have to be precise with wikilinks. British Car Auctions has the claim to be the largest remarketer in Europe, and Manheim Auctions has the claim to be the largest in the world. I'm not quite happy with their referencing, and have tagged them for improvement. The competition between companies is no concern here. A directory might need to be fair all round, but we record the notable - I actually knew British Car Auctions by name, not that is one of the criteria but it made it easier for me to find the article. Manheim I didn't know - do they operate in the UK? When those articles were created, the standard required for referencing was not so high (as is currently the case on many other language Wikipedias, in my experience), and it takes a long time to catch up with these things with so many articles. As I see your company, based on the info in the article, it doesn't have a claim to notability like the two others mentioned. There has to be a demarcation area, or we would have to include car sales down to the chap at 58 Acacia Avenue who parks his offerings on the main road with signs in the windows. If you want to campaign for a change in the rules and policies, please feel free to do so. BTW I've now added BCA to the BCA page. This is purely a housekeeping addition to keep the disambiguation page correct. Peridon (talk) 11:24, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback and as someone who is (obviously) new to Wiki, it is good to learn how the community works and the standards by which articles are accepted. Can you give me an example of good citation of references in order to make an article noteworthy? TomMapes (talk) 11:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
If you read WP:CORP for notability and WP:RS for what are and are not considered reliable independent sources, they should tell you. For references, no self-published things (including directory entries, own site and press releases), no blogs, forums or personal recommendations ("Dear sir, I thought I should let you know that the A40 I bought from you in 1970 is still going strong..."), no wikis (including us), and not AboutUs etc, or Facebook etc. Peridon (talk) 11:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 7 November2011

sockpuppetry

I thing I have found a Sockpuppet Here. --Njavallil ...Talk 2 Me 18:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

You might have done, but I can't find the evidence. That link at the SPI takes me nowhere, and when I looked up Sam Pepper, I ended up on a page about Big Brother which hadn't been edited by either (and didn't seem to mention Sam Pepper). I'd suggest getting the link sorted out so than the reviewing admins and clerks can see what you mean. Hang on, found it. Yes, I suppose it could be socking - I think it more likely someone just forgot to log in. Socking is more for when someone is really trying to look like a crowd, or evade a block, or interfere with a count-based process. Anyone can forget to log in, especially if they haven't noticed the 30 days box. I've just commented at the SPI that you've acted in good faith. If you do have any evidence that Bloober is really someone else, then go ahead and let us know. Keep up the good work - and don't worry, I slipped up by not checking their contribs before searching. (slaps wrist) Can happen to anyone. Peridon (talk) 19:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


The Nerd Machine

Hi, Thanks for the tips, I'm new with archiving and writing wiki articles, but all help is appreciated, I'm determined to get my article for 'The Nerd Machine' on wikipedia. So i'll get more information first before i actually get it online, thank you. CisDavidBlack (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Luganda article

Hi Peridon. I posed the question on the African Languages group on Facebook, and received the following reply: "Yes it is in Luganda. It describes the origin and leadership system within the Nte (cow) clan, one of the many clans found in Buganda kingdom. It happens to be my clan. Does someone want a translation of the whole thing?" Malangali (talk) 12:09, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

If you think it would be of use to enwiki, yes, please. Otherwise (and in any case), would you like it transwikied to the Luganda Wikipedia? It sounds to be of use over there, and articles look thin on the ground. Peridon (talk) 12:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Please yes, transwiki it. I'll get the word back to the person who responded, perhaps she'll be inspired to translate it, and maybe even get involved in the Luganda Wikipedia more broadly... Malangali (talk) 12:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I've set up the transwiki log over there, but I can't import the article as I'm not an admin there (it says). If you go to [[Wikipedia:Transwiki log]] at Luganda, and read http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Import it should be OK. Doing it this way saves a copy and paste of the article and a copy and paste of the history. If it doesn't work, get back to me and I'll do some more digging. Never done this before... Peridon (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
This user is in way over his head. "Permission error

The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, Importers, Transwiki importers." http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Import Malangali (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

You're an admin there, aren't you? I've posted at meta for help. Peridon (talk) 13:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, and I get the error message "Import pages - No transwiki import sources have been defined and direct history uploads are disabled." http://lg.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:Import Malangali (talk) 14:09, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
OK. Give it a bit and I'll check back at meta. Getting nothing else done here - mundane life can be a nuisance at times... Peridon (talk) 14:19, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Any word back? Malangali (talk) 11:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
AndreasJS has manually done it - it's over there now at Transwiki:Esigalyakagolo and the history is on the talk page. I've asked them to contact you with how to reunite the page and its history. You may know - I don't... (Probably I should.) Peridon (talk) 17:06, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

numi post

Hi, I recently talked to user Acroterion about the Numi Organic Tea article I posted and they told me that you deleted it. As my first wiki entry I was wondering why it was deleted. My intentions were not to advertise, which is why it was supposedly deleted. What kind of information are you specifically looking for, and more importantly, what in particular is considered unacceptable? I already read some articles how on to start a wiki page and cite references, so perhaps I missed something? Thanks

Please sign talk page posts with ~~~~. Thanks. OK, the article wasn't as bad as the previous version, but it still came over as 'written by the company' not 'written about the company'. Look at WP:NPOV about neutral point of view. If you still disagree that the wording was not neutral - it can be the look of it rather than the intent - you can try again with it and see what happens. I would advise reading some other articles first, and then trying to make it more neutral. Put it in your userspace (ask if you don't know how) with '''DRAFT''' at the top, and then ask for advice and opinion. Most regular editors and admins are willing to give opinions. Peridon (talk) 21:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Thief userbox

Liked your userbox so much I decided to nick it! lol ;P -- Ϫ 02:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The Centaurus (building)

I see that you deleted The Centaurus (building). Is there a particular reason as to why the article was deleted? The summary says promotion/advertising. If that was the case, could the article have been cleaned up or perhaps brought to attention at AfD first? My concern is that the building in question is an under-construction notable hotel and it is neccessary to have an article for it. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 13:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

OK. The tag was spam, but there was also a notability issue in my mind. The article was very promotional - as this sort of article usually is. The referencing doesn't show notability - one is a company site, one a directory listing, and the Dawn one (the uncertain future one) doesn't work. The first version of the article (2006) estimated completion to be in 2008. The last version estimated 2012. Next year - who knows? I am wondering for whom it is 'necessary' to have an article about it. The builders, the owners, the architects, the estate agents? Two admins (Fæ and I) have considered it suitable for speedy deletion - I feel the same would have resulted at AfD. If you want to rewrite and reference it, I'll move it to your userspace. Peridon (talk) 17:44, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 November 2011

Article Deletion 'George Eliot Rambeau'

In response to the deletion of the article 'George Eliot Rambeau' I submit that the importance and relevance of the article is twofold: First...it enhances the 'Appearances' section of the article 'Morpheus' in Wikipedia by highlighting the neo-classical Grecian play format of a modern poetic creation entitled "In The Arms of Morpheus". This play was created in 1969 by the Central Texas poet Johnny Robert Gidley who used the name George Eliot Rambeau as a penname for its first publication. Secondly...this same Johnny Robert Gidley is a singer/songwriter who performed with his band, The Salados, as the backing group in the 1960's with Jerry Naylor...the person who replaced Buddy Holly in the rock group 'The Crickets...an historical and importat fact of musical history. In addition, Joe Treadway, Naylor's father, who was very prominent in the West Texas musical scene of the late 50's and early 60's was Johnny Robert Gidley's manager and produced his group, The Salados' first recordings. I believe these facts are very significant and should be considered as worthy of inclusion into Wikipedia's vast store of information. Please reconsider your decision and restore the article 'George Eliot Rambeau' Thank you, Jgidley12 (talk) 19:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see them as significant. Notability doesn't rub off, and being on a tour with Naylor may mean nothing much. A trouble is that you don't give useful references. Birth records are only of interest where there is controversy - otherwise we just assume that people have been born. The ISBN 978-0-615-53121-2 doesn't come up as being in any library, and is not even found on Google. There could be an error in the number as given. The play is self-published, so far as I can see. This means that the level of coverage required to show notability is higher than if it were published by a recognised professional publisher. I don't see any mention of it having been performed. I'm afraid it's not easy reading the article - it's too dense and over-detailed in places. I don't think I've missed anything in it, though. Peridon (talk) 19:36, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. This was the first article I have written for Wikipedia and I have had to learn on the fly about how to use the proper codes and references. I believe this article could be salvaged with your guidance and be of much benefit to the music and literary fields and historical records. Joe Treadway and Jerry Naylor were not of huge significance but my connection with them I believe was and is signifacnt. The book "In The Arms of Morpheus" is in libraries and although it's true that it was self published is an excellent example of 'Morpheus' in Grecian Mythology. I can send you a copy of the book for your review if you'd like. I don't know why there would have been any issue with the ISBN number however. Thanks. Jgidley12 (talk) 20:37, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Do a search for it... Peridon (talk) 20:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps I have done something wrong in this process or have miss typed a letter or something. I will investigate and get back to you. Thanks Jgidley12 (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I need to be confirmed

Hello Peridon, I want to have a userpage but the design User:Alarbus requires usage of position absolute which is disallowed by filter 139 for unconfirmed people. Please confirm me. Thanks in advance, Sada Abe (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Replied at WP:RFP/C. Peridon (talk) 21:28, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Me too, with a bit more explanation. Sada Abe (talk) 21:34, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I replied again. Sada Abe (talk) 21:49, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Gave in and went to bed. Peridon (talk) 21:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot and sleep well! Sada Abe (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I edited your userpage because it said: "Wanted: sheepdog (or boxer) capable of herding userboxes without hurting them. Please contact this user.". Is this better? I guessed this would look about right on most screens, lemme know if this is OK. If its not an improvement you can revert it and/or tell me what you want, I can herd boxes. Sada Abe (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
That's neat..... Peridon (talk) 10:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

New section

Hello there peridon this is jmfs1701 or J.M. Farinola (talk) 02:48, 17 November 2011 (UTC) , iv been insulted many times today and by this guy and I deleted his messages, so thanks for helping me with the speedy deletion thing thanks

Please sign posts with the four ~ things - it puts a signature and timestamp on. For those of us who use bot powered archiving, it helps greatly, as the bot then knows where things are. As to bad editors, I can see your point in creating it, but I'm afraid it wasn't what we call 'encyclopaedic'. It's more the sort of thing that we have in policies and essays already. (Essays are sort of commentaries on policies, and they are written by very experienced editors. They aren't 'law' like policies, but explain how things should work.) I declined the tag for 'nonsense', as it didn't fit. I've deleted it now on your request. Peridon (talk) 16:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Peridon, I created a page called The Gourmet Hotdog Company which you deleted. I did try to be objective when writing the article. Please advise what I should have done differently. Many thanks, Ingrid--Cc60 (talk) 17:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

OK. "The Company provides the complete opposite experience..." - would you expect to find that in an encyclopaedia, or in a brochure? "attracts a more health-conscious crowd" - you have to back it up. "offering" - that's a killer. "the best traceable ingredients" - brochure-speak. (BTW 'traceable' doesn't mean 'good' any more than 'natural' = healthy. Deadly nightshade and hemlock are perfectly natural. You don't say where these ingredients can be traced to. Just my nasty mind at work...) Your references are either not independent (company site, and one that uses another killer, 'we'), and the other one is a plug for someone who worked on the branding (or something like that. Demolition job over, look at WP:CORP and WP:RS. If you can get somewhere near CORP, find the RS to prove it. Then let me see the refs. No blogs, forums, wikis, personal letters, people who worked on the setup, interviews where the CEO has had the questions in advance and the PR Dept wrote the answers - you get the picture. I like the sound of your menus and am trying to think where I saw the name. Wasn't Canary Wharf - never been there except through in a tube. When in London, I usually grab a 99p sandwich from a little shop somewhere - they're as good as most of the railway stuff. Peridon (talk) 19:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

The Gourmet Hotdog Company

Hello Peridon, I created a page called The Gourmet Hotdog Company which you deleted. I did try to be objective when writing the article. Please advise what I should have done differently. Many thanks, Ingrid --Cc60 (talk) 19:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Answered above... (Feeling tempted to delete your first post and pretend I answered before you asked...) 19:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)Peridon (talk)

Deletion review for DJ Many

An editor has asked for a deletion review of DJ Many. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Might do if I could find it. Peridon (talk) 17:17, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Deleted Article "Lorne MacFadyen"

Hi Peridon, I am an actor trying to put a wiki online which you deleted today - this will ultimately help me as an actor get work - the page is Lorne MacFadyen - I have been as objective as I can so I'm not sure what the issue is - could you please let me know and then undelete this? I've never created a wiki before so if it's because of me not including some sort of verification I would appreciate you letting me know what to do. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.62.101 (talk) 13:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Various points. One is that a 'wiki' is a community acting together as a group - Wikipedia is a wiki. An individual page here is an article. You can create wikis at wikimedia - there's one for Terry Pratchett fans, for example. More to the point is that there are two reasons for deletion. The first was the tagged one - copyright violation of an IMDb profile. Please see WP:COPYVIO. Text published elsewhere cannot be brought onto Wikipedia unless it's public domain (age, or certain other reasons), or it's licensed under Creative Commons (see COPYVIO). Apart from that, the film that is the claim to notability is, according to IMDb, not yet released. Some producers, directors and actors have sufficient notability for an unreleased thing to count as notable. A film by someone with a very short article starring an unknown is not going to count as notable here until it's released, and gaining critical response and/or other reliable independent coverage - WP:RS. And yet again, sorry, but we are not the place for helping someone to get work. We wish you luck (well, I do anyway), but we are an encyclopaedia. We don't record the up and coming. We record the arrived and the past it. I'm afraid I spend quite a bit of time explaining to people that they aren't (or their pride and joy isn't) notable by our standards. If they're blatant and rude, I don't mind doing it. Otherwise, it's the downside of being an admin. (Just as vets have to kill little fluffy things on occasion...) For you, it's too soon. If the film is a roaring blockbuster success, someone will have written the article before you get time. If it isn't, keep going. Get the coverage. Actors used to keep scrapbooks of newspaper cuttings. Do it for stuff in print. Collect links as well. Paper coverage is valid - and it gets checked by our library connected editors - just as much as the easier to check web stuff. (That gets checked too - I found one case where someone had created two online newspapers simply to reference a tale that was a load of cobblers anyway, and which was discredited by someone who knew the terrain concerned as well...) (You've no idea what goes on behind the scenes here...) Anyway, good luck. I don't wish that to everyone. Peridon (talk) 20:27, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Peridon, That's totally fine - I was just creating the article on a whim - I honestly didn't know there was so much to it! I will do as you say and wait a while until the films are released - I hope you understand that all I amm trying to do is have something for employers to look at when they hear of me but I completely understand and respect the fact that you have to keep everything under strict rules to keep the site reliable. I'm not sure what I will be able to write instead as I am very inexperienced with creating wikipedia articles (this is my first) so what I am really asking is, is there any information on my page that IS usable under the current circumstances? Just so that I can have a page there, online for me to edit in the future? If not I would truly appreciate your guidance towards getting to that stage. Also I would like to thank you sincerely for taking the time to write all that and for giving me such a detailed and considerate answer - You're very good at your job!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.62.101 (talk) 04:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

At present, nothing much unless you have good coverage. This must be in good sources - no blogs, IMDb, forums, wikis, or anything editable. Not the Balerno and Currie Herald Tribune (founded 2011). Look at WP:RS to get an idea. Why not IMDb? Because it's often supplied by the subject (apart from the Adolf Hitler profile...). See how the film goes. When you've collected some stuff, and assuming Spielberg hasn't signed you for five films, ask for advice. Once more, good luck. Peridon (talk) 10:56, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Peridon. You have new messages at Falcon8765's talk page.
Message added 22:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Falcon8765 (TALK) 22:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Timmy Hill

Hello, I was about to create the article, then I seen it was deleted. The person is now notable after winning NASCAR Rookie of the Year honors. If you would, will you restore it. Thank you. -- Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 03:41, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Someone else created the article, so nevermind. -- Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 05:03, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Administrative tools

Hi,Peridon.I just have come to ask you about a little thing..Can you please give me a snapshot of the protection of pages that administrators do?(You can see requests for page protection in WP:RPP) That means-what does the page look like while it is being protected.To take a snapshot,just press Prt Sys Rq just after the F12 button,and then paste it into Photoshop or MS Paint or whatever image softwares,and then save it as a .jpg format,upload it to Wikipedia,and give me a link to it.I will be very thankful to you for this.Best,That's me! Have doubt? Track me! 16:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that admins viewed differently. We get extra buttons - Delete and Protect/Unprotect (that one says Protect if it isn't, and Unprotect if it is). Also, there are things I've never done even though I'm an admin. Uploading images is one. I went and photographed something once, and found that while I was out someone had uploaded their photo of it. I've not bothered since. As to protection, a protected page has a little padlock in the top right. The colour means the level of protection. Anyone can see them. The ones you do see are Black (that's protected from high up - mostly on policies and such), sort of Brass colour (fully protected), and Silver (which looks black until you see the real black one and means semi-protected. They're at WP:PP. If you're meaning the actual thing that appears for setting levels, it's just three boxes. Two are for Edit and Move, and allow setting for All users, Block new and unregistered, and Administrators only. The time period can be set too. The third box is for things to do with reviewing, and I don't thing it is used now since the Pending Changes thing was dropped. All very exciting. Peridon (talk) 18:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Shivam Tyagi

Regarding your deletion of Shivam Tyagi, the creator of the last two previously deleted versions was a sockpuppeteer that used multiple accounts to create the article (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shivam.Tyagii/Archive). Might want to examine the creator of the version you deleted for the same. Falcon8765 (TALK) 01:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Blocked per WP:DUCK. (I like ducks...) Thanks. Peridon (talk) 10:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Newly found

--Amirjon Salomov 00:14, 20 November 2011 (UTC)Hello, may i know, why did you deleted my article(Amirjon Salomov)? may i get it back(rewrite it) please? Moved from wrong page by Peridon (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry - didn't find this. You should post messages on talkpages, not userpages. As to your page, I don't think there's much point in trying to re-create it unless you can show that your company meets WP:CORP, and you can back this up with independent reliable sources WP:RS. Some advice: you'll get more interest from your Facebook page (the one with the info on) if you get the spelling right ('your' not 'you' for the possessive form), and give a more informative telephone number. The internet IS world wide, and telephone numbers may appear in more than one country. Some little old lady in Upper Slobodia might be getting telephone calls meant for you. Also, you say to visit your website - but for me there wasn't a link to it. It it doesn't work yet, leave it out. When you can fit the criteria in the policies mentioned above, then is the time to ask for advice about an article. Good luck. Peridon (talk) 16:34, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Civility Barnstar
For your answer above ;-) — Racconish Tk 16:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Ta muchly. Peridon (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Three Ravens business

I've just read the article on The Three Ravens and seen the [awful] image of the centaur there... I made my feelings about removing the image clear on the article's talk page, but did not take any steps to actually do this myself (yet) given the original poster's apparent insistence on keeping it there (ew). However, I am teetering on getting more involved-- please let me know if there is anything more you think I should do to help push the point. I am at your service & command on this. KDS4444Talk 06:30, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking it was time to look at this again. I've asked an uninvolved admin to have a look. He might be able to check the book to see if the image comes from there - I get no response from the poster when I ask them about this and have suspicions. Thanks, and keep in touch... Peridon (talk) 10:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I have given the talk-page text a careful reading and what I get from it is that the interpretation of the story has having such a creature in it may in fact exist in an academic journal, but I get no suggestion that the image itself does so. And then let's look at the image-- honestly, why would it? What is far more likely is that the person in question read the interpretation, drew a picture, posted it on Wikipedia, and now insists that it remain there-- and insists on it simply because he/ she read such an interpretation once. The art itself is [American] high-school level at best, and even a journal editor with severe myopia wouldn't publish it. The only real question is how do we keep it from being added back once it is removed, and it looks like steps are being taken in that direction at last. Will keep in touch. KDS4444Talk 20:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I just revisited the Three Ravens page-- a couple of weeks ago I went ahead and tried to remove the centaur image, and once again the "artist" who created it undid my edit and reinserted the image. And it still makes me wince. Were you ever able to get the uninvolved admin's participation that you mentioned? The editor who keeps putting the image back seems to need reminding about the principle of consensus and the pointlessness of engaging in an edit war. I hope you are able to assist. Thanks! KDS4444Talk 09:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Mongery

A Google search for Smith Jones Herbal Ironmongery turned up this page, but I don't see "herbal" there anywhere. --jpgordon::==( o ) 22:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Was 'Organic' until the Trading Standards objected.... 8-] Peridon (talk) 13:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 November 2011

Gary Withers

Read your critique; you're probably right; just overpowered by love for the man who gave me a job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.N.Smith (talk • contribs) 06:01, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Stonework

I re-wrote the article that you said should be fixed. Now, there's a discussion going on about whether the page should be deleted or not. About the company, it's one of the best companies in its field... On Wikipedia we can't really show that by describing the company. I added a couple of links in the article and they were removed by an administrator. Please visit them and see for yourself: 1) http://www.floridadesign.com/sourcefinder/category/architectural-stoneworks/ You'll find the company the 15th name. florida design magazine asked the company to be in the back cover. & as they told us, it is the image of the magazine

2)http://www.fourseasons.com/cairofr/ The blue skylight dome in the picture was manufactured by Hazem Shoukry Designs. and you can see the BBC interview was about the window that we did it in the hotel

3)http://www.sonesta.com/Cairo/index.cfm?fa=guestrooms.home If you open the link and scroll down, under the sub-title "Executive floors" you will find a picture, in the picture there's a stained glass dome in the top of it that was made by Hazem Shoukry Designs too.

4)http://www.marriott.com/hotels/photo-tours.mi?marshaCode=caijw&pageID=HWGLF&imageID=7&roomTypeCode= In this link, The image shown contains another stained glass dome by Hazem Shoukry Designs. You'll find it IN THE PICTURE if you scroll to the right and then scroll up.

5)http://www.almasah-hotel.com/index.php?mod=photo&photo_album=15&album=Outer In this link aswell, in the photos, the company made the WHOLE building, inside and out.

6) The last link is: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hazem-Shoukry-Designs/303407606336263?sk=wall#!/photo.php?v=267035733349198&set=vb.303407606336263&type=2&theater - In this link is an interview Arch.Hazem Shoukry had with a reporter from BBC on 12-9-2008.

After you see the links please defend the company on the discussion page, as we are fully qualified to be on Wikipedia.

Thank you. --Farah26 (talk) 19:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

The links have been removed indiscriminately. There are some that are linked to web pages that are not blogs, You Tube, Word Press etc., quite legitimate, but they have been removed. If it is true that it is non u to link to other Wiki pages, which I did on about 3 occasions, what is the reason for that? May I ask the person who removed the links, if you know nothing about the subject matter of the article, please leave it alone and go and play somewhere else. If the links were functioning and not frivolous, or self promoting sites, what is wrong? It takes time to do these things and it costs me a lot of money spending so much time on what I believe to be a worthwhile contribution to the history and ongoing contribution that this artist makes to South African music.Johnno777 (talk) 14:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I've left a note at their page. Peridon (talk) 17:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Peridon, thank you for your input here, much appreciated. — Jean Calleo (talk) 23:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

[wipes away a tear.] (Just been watching 'The Dark Crystal' - that probably explains it...) Peridon (talk) 23:19, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Tasty Geflings! (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 13:16, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Peridon. You have new messages at Jean Calleo's talk page.
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— Jean Calleo (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Andrew Charalambous

You appear to have today deleted a page relating to Andrew Charalambous for reason A7. Since the subject is currently a candidate in a UK Parliamentary election, and has twice previously been a candidate for one of the major political parties, something you would have known if you had checked, I find this somewhat surprising and perplexing and can only assume that you have done it for political reasons. I would be grateful if you could restore the page immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.117.9 (talk) 00:22, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it was yesterday. You can assume what you like, but I am not party political and threatened the three main parties with legal action if they continued to mail me or deliver leaflets to me. (They have stopped. The smaller parties took notice of my first instruction of 'don't'.) Please read WP:POLITICIAN where it will explain to you that, so far as Wikipedia is concerned, being a candidate does not confer notability. There are possible exceptions - someone who gets into the final ballot for President of the US would undoubtedly have a certain notability (and would probably be notable anyway if he/she/it could afford to do it...). If Mr Charalambous can meet the requirements of WP:BIO for something other than his candidatures, he may indeed merit an article. If he gets elected MP, then he is automatically notable. As consolation, I have tagged (before I became an admin) or deleted (since) articles on many candidates for all sorts of positions and from all sorts of parties, and in many different countries. I treat them all by the same standard. I do not reside in any of the constituencies Mr C has stood in, although I have been to them (but not in election times) and have also been to Broadwater Farm. Peridon (talk) 10:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC) (

I’m afraid that your comments clearly betray your political bias. I’m not and never have been a supporter of Mr Charambalous or his party and am never likely to be so, but I do wish to read about him. Someone whose personal anti-politician views are so visceral that they take the extraordinary measure of threatening legal action against candidates for delivering campaign literature (If you ever tried to you would lose by the way as they have an absolute right to do so even if you don’t want them to – in fact by threatening them, if it was at an election, you may be guilty of an offence yourself, - strange but true.) Since you cited the WP:POLITICIAN I’ll remind you ‘…although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article…’ try goggling him.

And no the fact that you appear to be using Wikipadia to advance some weird personal agenda by deleting content is not a consolation to me it’s just frustrating especially when you have deleted something I wanted to read.

I ask again please undelete this perfectly reasonable article that I would like to read – even if you are not interested in politics or politicians others are.

I've taken a look at the original article, "goggled [sic]" him, and find he does not yet meet WP:POLITICIAN. Clearly, it is his pre-candidature work that would have had to recieve significant coverage that would make him additionally eligible. There's clearly no personal agenda, the guy's just a candidate, ho hum (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 13:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Author andy evans too

Please delete Author andy evans too. (WP:TWINKLE appears to have knocked off for the day.)--Shirt58 (talk) 14:18, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Archives

I added this page a (searchable) archives box, next to the table of contents. Take it off if you don't like it, it just looked like you needed one. You could just link to this page somewhere near the top, it lists all your archives, but I just thought the archives box looks pretty. Though you'll have to manually update the recent links every month... — Jean Calleo (talk) 21:24, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Ta very much. Now to see if I can remember... 8-] Peridon (talk) 21:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 November 2011

Deletion of Ceremony (Silko novel)

That page had recently been moved, but originally existed at Ceremony (novel) and was, before the unhealthy addition of some plagiarism, a fine little article. It's been recreated but has lost its original content, which I'd appreciate your restoration of. Cheers, Seegoon (talk) 22:25, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I've restored the version before the copyvios started. The new creation by Aristophanes is at User:Peridon/Ceremony (Silko novel) for the time being, just in case anything in it is wanted. Let me know if not. Peridon (talk) 16:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for restoring the original. That novel is far too important to be without an article. Aristophanes68 (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

New article: Hazem Shoukry Designs

Dear Peridon, We are Hazem Shoukry Designs I want to go through starting a new article , talking about the knowhow of materials merge , 1/ the wood with stone ( wood is a natural material that can be combined with stone in the same object } 2/ The stainless steel with stone ( metal is a hard metal but soft look with stone } 3/ The Glass with stone ( glass is transparent material , soft look ) it has a lot of information that we can show in our next article also we want to talk about the architecture principles and how we can use this science in creating unique products out of different materials' merge. is it possible to create a new one directly or we can discuss about it in Talk first ?

Will be waiting for your reply Thanks Hazem Shoukry --Farah26 (talk) 05:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Before attempting to re-create the article, you MUST find the reliable independent sources to show notability. Read WP:RS about the sort of sources you must provide. I am sure that you know your subject well, and I am of the opinion that the quality of the work seen in the pictures could mean that the company has notability, but neither of these actually prove notability. Only the references from independent sources will count for this. I do not mean letters from satisfied customers, I mean coverage in the press or other independent media. Without this information, there is no chance of an article surviving. Peridon (talk) 16:24, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Peridon

Nicolas Jaar/Clown+Sunset - hello you deleted the label page for Nicolas Jaar's Clown + Sunset music label, we are hoping to add information about the label, which Nicolas runs and releases music on. Could you please un-delete the page, so we can add relevant information according to Wikipedia guidelines.

thanks

Alastair 64.30.200.29 (talk) 21:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll look at it when I can find it. I need either the exact title or the author to post here - but signed in. Peridon (talk) 21:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks very much, the exact title of the page is Clown & Sunset — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.30.200.29 (talk) 23:23, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Not forgotten - it's now at User:LolaMarieSaint/Clown & Sunset. As you're not signing in, I don't know if you are that one or the other editor on it. I'll leave you to sort it out. The Pitchfork reviews are not too bad as sources (I think...), but there's still something lacking in the notability area for me. Can't put my finger on it. One of the speedy tags was for spam, but I don't think the tone is too bad. Check it carefully. Please do sign in, and when posting on talk pages sign with ~~~~ - like this: Peridon (talk) 20:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Growards

Hello Peridon, do terms or words in wikipedia always need to be represented in an english dictionary? Regarding many of your entries, this does not seem to be a necessity. Growards is a new term used in at least my business circles in sweden, it has a connection to online marketing and viral growth, calling it a hoax is both absurd and insulting. This term will surely be more acknowledged in the future and i can find no logical reason to hinder it as an entry. If the description was vague or my language bad (english is not my native tounge), i can of course improve the entry.

Please reconsider — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckarlof (talk • contribs) 15:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Can you provide reliable independent sources (WP:RS) for it to show fairly widespread use? Merely being used in your circles wouldn't be enough for notability. If it is only going to be a brief definition, perhaps Wiktionary would be a better place - or, if the term is used in Sweden, in the Swedish Wikipedia. A search for 'Growards growth -growars -broward' didn't give an example of this word in your meaning, so far as I could see. Most of the hits were people by the name Groward, and a lot of the rest appeared to be those places that somehow suck in your search terms to draw you in. Peridon (talk) 16:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Understod i will try again later as the word hopefully gets more notable, until then will the entry always say "has been removed" if you search the term or will it later simply not appear in the searchfield? I am quite ashamed of being responsible to make the term seem like something faulty if you google it, i would greatly appreciate if the term is fully removed until it can be rightfully considered a wikipeida term, thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckarlof (talk • contribs) 17:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

It'll disappear out of the search engines in a week or two. You seem genuine enough about this - but we do get a lot of hoaxing, and when we get something that we can't trace (and which is made out of two existing words...), we tend to go for hoax as the simplest explanation. (It's mostly kids or late teens, either testing our reliability or just being little nuisances.) When you can provide the refs, OK. Till then, it's not notable. (Nor would the 'discovery' of America have been, until the Seville Times and the Madrid Herald Tribune had reported on it...) Peridon (talk) 20:34, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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