User talk:Natorious

Sockpuppet investigation

An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Wikipedia account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Barok777, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Wikipedia administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Wikipedia policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Wikipedia community.

Tgeorgescu (talk) 21:35, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I use only one Wikipedia account. Why did you revert my last edit? Natorious (talk) 19:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because WP:RS/AC is part of our WP:RULES. It's part of the package, take it or leave it. Tgeorgescu (talk) 07:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't violate any rules, actually to the contrary - the amateur who made a baseless statement citing some anonymous "scholar" who holds no credibility or credential violated the very terms you purport to adhere to; in WP:RS/AC: "any statement in Wikipedia that academic consensus exists on a topic must be sourced rather than being based on the opinion or assessment of editors". And what does any of this have to do with "sockpuppeting" anyway?? And who the hell are you to open an investigation on me?? Natorious (talk) 19:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Three different accounts made strikingly similar edits during two weeks. That's all what I am saying at the sockpuppet investigation. And... you are fighting against top US and Israeli universities. Do you realize that you don't have any chance of winning this dispute? Wikipedia sides with Ivy Plus, Bar-Ilan University and Tel Aviv University. There they toe the same line as Collins. But that point was already granted when he got born. Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well I only got one account.. Quit your nonsense. I'm not fighting anyone, nor do I intend to. And there's no dispute. I wouldn't bother. I guess we'll have to wait a few more years for people to take important non-scientific questions seriously. Natorious (talk) 19:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, there is no dispute about the Book of Daniel being a 2nd century BCE composition, except in the realm of fundamentalists and true believers. We're not Debatepedia so we don't teach the controversy. That's enshrined in the WP:RULES of Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement about the dating has no evidence and cannot be determined Natorious (talk) 19:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You defined yourself as a research addict. Why don't you research the matter? E.g. ask Esther Eshel from BIU what the evidence is. Or read what she wrote about that. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:40, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not taking homework assignments from you sonny. Human knowledge existed before Esther Eshel Natorious (talk) 20:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that the WP:ONUS would be upon me to prove that Ivy Plus got it right, you misunderstood the rules of Wikipedia. The WP:BURDEN is upon you, not upon me. You are the WP:FRINGE/PS WP:POV pusher. This isn't a level playing field, the sooner you learn it, the better. Wikipedia is very biased for WP:MAINSTREAM WP:SCHOLARSHIP. Appeal to tradition is a fallacy. Wikipedia is WP:NOTAFORUM, so you don't get to define the terms of the debate; we do, WP:RULES do. Something makes you think that your traditional religious authorities trump the authorities from Ivy Plus, BIU and TAU. Wikipedia just doesn't work that way. Who has the power to decide upon this historical fact? Mainstream Bible scholars. Tgeorgescu (talk) 12:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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If you are here to promote pseudoscience, extremism, fundamentalism or conspiracy theories, we're not interested in what you have to say. Tgeorgescu (talk) 24 July 2019 15:24:38 (UTC)

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Copy/paste from User talk:Mishael707. Tgeorgescu (talk) 24 July 2019 15:24:38 (UTC)