User talk:KibolLP

Club statistics formatting

Hello, thanks for editing the Sergiu Buș article. I however noticed that you merged the names for league championships in the box. The WikiProject Manual of Style suggest adding the name of the league separately for each individual season, as you can see on articles like Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 00:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~ Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I've seen two different approaches across Wikipedia pages of notable players and just adopted one of them. Apologies for the inconvenience. I'm still learning, so thank you very much for letting me know! KibolLP 00:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Radosław Majecki career stats

Hi there. You added Radosław Majecki's appearances for Legia Warsaw II to his career statistics table. These numbers are not available in the inline citations used for the table, Soccerway and 90minut. Please include a reference for Majecki's Legia Warsaw II stats. If they remain unsourced they'll have to be removed per WP:Verifiability. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 10:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there @Robby.is.on. Thank you very much for pointing that out, I have now added reference links from 90minut to the career statistics table. My apologies.

In the meantime, I've tried looking for guidance regarding this, but couldn't find anything sufficient - should being a runner-up in a competition be noted in the Honours section? If so, should that be done for all competitions, or for leagues or cups only? Take care! KibolLP (talk) 10:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good job! :-)

That's a good question and it keeps coming up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Unfortunately, I haven't seen WP:Consensus emerge yet. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Future transfers

I've noticed that you have updated quite a few players' infoboxes showing them as members of a team in 2023. Given that, according to WP:FOOTY standards, we do not list future moves in infoboxes or statboxes until they happen, I want to remind you that a player cannot be a current member of a team in the future. So if a player's loan was announced in 2022, but they will not join the team until 2023, please do not add the team to their infobox or statbox until the actual beginning of the loan or transfer. If the loan or transfer occurred in 2022 with immediate effect, then the move should be listed in the infobox as "2022–". Until 2023 begins, no player should have a line in their infobox beginning with "2023–". Thanks. Anwegmann (talk) 22:54, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Thank you very much for pointing it out, and my apologies for incorrectly made edits. I couldn't find the guidelines in the past, so I based my approach off of popular and well-moderated pages such as Gustavo Scarpa or Ferran Torres last year. However, from now on I will wait until a player officially joins their new club. Take care! KibolLP (talk) 01:38, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year! May I ask for clarification regarding 'start dates' for free agents who signed with their new clubs in the dying days of 2022? For most of them it's not stated that 'they will join from 1 January 2023', but would it make more sense to use 2023 as a start date, as that's when the transfer window and registration period opens? This includes players such as Grzegorz Szymusik, David Juncà or Miłosz Kozak. Apologies but I couldn't find a clear answer in the guidelines. Take care! KibolLP (talk) 11:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced honours

Hi KibolLP. Thanks for updating Paweł Wojtala. We shouldn't be adding honours (or any other content) without sources. Please add the missing sources for honours at Paweł Wojtala and going forward, please don't make unsourced changes. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Robby.is.on! Thank you for pointing it out, my apologies. Would it be acceptable to use a player's profile on 90minut.pl (part of the RSSSF) as a source of their achievements, rather than to add individual references for each of them, much like Soccerway is being used for foreign players (e.g. Patrice Evra)? Take care! KibolLP (talk) 10:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi KiboLP. Thanks for your kind reply. That's a good question. I've seen discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football where people have made the point that Soccerway cannot be used for honours because Soccerway lists honours for players even if they are not eligible for a medal. That makes me wonder how 90minut.pl does it. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 17:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Robby.is.on, they list accolades only if a player appeared in a particular competition. However, they don't take eligibility into consideration - for example, Marcin Wasilewski is listed to have won the Premier League with Leicester despite him not being eligible for a medal.

At the same time, they don't make a note of unusual situations when a player has no appearances but receives a medal anyway just for being part of the squad (e.g. Miłosz Mleczko, who made no league appearances last season, but was given a medal during the celebrations). While Soccerway listed several honours for Mleczko, I did not include them in his profile, and have in the past removed several achievements for Polish players who did not feature in certain competitions. Please let me know if my approach is justified or whether I should adjust it for future edits. Regards! KibolLP (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the explanations, KibolLP. In that case, I would assume neither Soccerway nor 90minut.pl are reliable sources for honours and we need to look elsewhere for suitable references. Unfortunately… Robby.is.on (talk) 10:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for improving Jakub Wierzchowski. The honour you added needs an inline citation. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Polish lower leagues

Hi there! You seem like a person who knows a thing or two about Polish lower leagues. Can you suggest a website that has statistics for lower divisions? (The ones that not covered even by 90minut.pl or by international websites like Soccerway?) I know in the last few years there have been significant increase in number of Belarusian players in Poland and I wanted to have a way to track their career there. Thanks in advance. --BlameRuiner (talk) 07:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Unfortunately, there aren't many reliable sources for statistics for IV liga and below, which is why most of them are kept blank in infoboxes. Below I've listed websites that offer coverage for certain regions/voivodeiships:

- arkowcy.pl (West Pomeranian)

- kieleckapilka.pl/news.php (most of Świętokrzyskie)

- regiowyniki.pl

- polskieligi.net/4-liga/

- podkarpacielive.pl (for news & end of season reports regarding clubs from Subcarpathia)

Other than that, one would have to either rely on clubs' social media, scarce media reports or count up appearances and goals based on individual match reports from websites such as regiowyniki. Hope that helps, please let me know if there's anything else I can assist you with! KibolLP (talk) 17:05, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stub spacing

Hi there, KibolLP. Thanks for updating Paweł Wojtala. Please be aware of WP:STUBSPACING which states: "Leave two blank lines between the first stub template and whatever precedes it." It's a trivial issue but I've been restoring stub spacing at Paweł Wojtala and elsewhere so I thought I'd inform you. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bartosz Brzęk moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Bartosz Brzęk. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because of a discussion at the following AfD [[1]].. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Let'srun (talk) 13:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Let'srun! Thanks a lot for letting me know. I totally agree that it was created too soon, was just trying to keep it up-to-date whenever I had spare time. Take care! KibolLP (talk) 13:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chodyna

Chodyna was announced by Legia Warsaw as their player. Marcelus (talk) 20:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Because a transfer has been announced, it doesn't mean that the player has 'officially' joined the team yet - that would happen at the beginning of or during the transfer window/registration period, in this case 1 July - at least that's been my understanding. I have however seen more and more edits similar to yours, for higher-profile players, so it could be my approach has been wrong. @Anwegmann, apologies for dragging you into this, but would you mind sharing your view? KibolLP (talk) 21:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KibolLP and Marcelus: No problem at all. Long-standing precedent holds that a transfer is not complete until a) the transfer window opens, which, as you mentioned, in this case is 1 July 2024 or b), if during the transfer season, the purchasing team official announces the signing. I know a lot of editors get annoyed by this, especially if they're fans of the teams or players involved, but this precedent/consensus has stood as long as I've been editing on here. Often, if a player has been announced as "officially" transfer before the actual transfer date, a short sentence in the lede will make clear that "He will join [team name] on 1 July 2024" along with a reference. I hope this helps. Anwegmann (talk) 22:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Anwegmann Thanks a lot for clearing things up! KibolLP (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Anwegmann @KibolLP transfer window in Poland starts on June 15. Also there are often cases when players joins the team earlier, if both teams agree on that. Marcelus (talk) 21:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcelus: A player cannot be registered to a new club before the transfer window opens. So if a player "joins the team" earlier, they are only physically present with the new team. The transfer is still not official. If the transfer window in Poland opens on June 15, then feel free to update the articles, with proper sourcing, on that date. Anwegmann (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Answer

Hi, thanks a lot for your message. Regards, Karol739 (talk) 15:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I took some time reading the links you've provided. Is it any better right now with my contributions? (e.g [http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Kamil_Kruk&diff=prev&oldid=1243171230]) Thanks a lot once again and regards, Karol739 (talk) 22:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Karol739! I'd say Kruk's page is much better now with your contribution. There are some details still worth pointing out:

- using en dashes for scores (e.g. 1–3 instead of 1-3 - you can find the en dash on the bottom left corner of the edit window, by the small 'insert' combo box. (it 'only' took me one-and-a-half-years of editing to find it there, before that I relied on copying and pasting it whenever I needed to. I still don't know how to feel about that :D).

- the double citation in the same compound-but-not-that-long sentence, like at the start of the Stal Mielec section - I'd leave the transfery.info article at the end of the sentence, and remove it from the middle.

- squad numbers or jersey numbers are more accurate and could be used instead of 'badge numbers'. (also, given how some reserve teams switch jersey numbers almost every game, might not always be worth mentioning them)

- 'played in' makes sense for us Poles, as a literal translation, but played for would be an appropriate term to use.

Other than that, there is room for small stylistic improvements, like renaming the Zagłębie section to just 'Zagłębie Lubin', or avoiding over-repeating the same word (e.g. during) in your article - there is nothing inherently wrong with these, just makes it easier on the eye.

Please also bear in mind - while most of what I've pointed out above is based on WP:Footy standards, there are also some personal takes in there, and I am by no means an expert. There are some great editors I've come across over the years, who have been doing this for much longer than I have, like Anwegmann, Robby.is.on or GiantSnowman, among others - I've been learning off of their work and advice, and I'm sure if you have any questions regarding your entries, these guys can guide you much better than I could (not saying you cannot/should not contact me or anything like that, I'd be more than happy to talk shop anytime).

I can also recommend reading pages of high-profile players, as they tend to have multiple experienced editors working on them, and keeping them up to the highest standards. That's how I've learned the most + from the aforementioned editors.

I wish my first attempts at writing sub-sections were as good as your contributions are. Thanks a lot man, I hope you continue making them, you have fun doing them, and I keep coming across your name when going through edit history pages. Take care and enjoy the weekend! KibolLP (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you too enjoy your weekend! I've got some experience from editing pl wiki, but I need to say that it's a bit different here; policies are just a bit different from what we have in pl.wiki, but the language is a whole another world. In other words: not being a native speaker isn't all that fun and games :) I'm constantly trying to improve my style with using AI rephrasing tools and language checkers, but from what you're saying it seems that it isn't enough for now. I'll try to do that better in the future.

I'm just wondering whether this sign: "–" is called "półpauza" in Polish. If so, it'd be easier to apply that because it can just be copied from any pl wiki article.

Once again thank you for your messages and best wishes for you, Karol739 (talk) 00:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]