User talk:Hopefull Innformer

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Talk: Yasuke

Just a reminder in your time participating in Talk:Yasuke that repeatedly accusing people who do not agree with you of "being from twitter" is a violation of Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Assume Good Faith. Please refrain from doing so, as it is unhelpful and a violation of Wikipedia policies. X0n10ox (talk) 02:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X0n10ox "being from twitter" is in no way shape or form a "Personal attack, my good sir. It was a conclusion based on your wording about a japanese youtuber talking about Yasuke 'being a Samurai' I saw that video and he's not even a reliable source, since he engages in the lax usage of the American English language which uses the word Warrior/Samurai as interchangeably, if they were the Japanese wouldn't have different words for it. If a moderator thinks "Okay you clearly come from twitter" believes that is in any way a "personal attack" by any means I'll edit that part out and apologize, but again there is nothing "personal" in telling you 'Oh you came from X', the only one breaking a rule here is you since you are assuming bad faith from that sentence about twitter and not good faith. Hopefull Innformer (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is, in fact, a personal attack. I remind you once again that in accordance with Wikipedia:NPA , WP:NICE and Wikipedia:GOODFAITH, that proclaiming anyone who disagrees with you "must be from twitter" is inferring that the person in question is not operating in good faith. You know very well that repeatedly commenting that people must be from twitter is implying that the people in question are either maliciously operating on Wikipedia in support of an agenda at worst, or at best you're off-handedly dismissing people because you have deemed them as 'from Twitter'. Since you have responded in a way that suggests it was a one off instance that I am reading bad faith into, I am attaching a bunch of quotations.

So you're just wrong and way to lax with History.
— User:Hopefull Innformer 11:40, 16 May 2024

No, it's silly to think Ubisoft would even care about a Wikipedia page, most likely is people from twitter, it already has happened to some articles in Wikipedia on the Anime sections, and also with the Cleopatra page when that Netflix show came out, is just people who don't care for integrity or accuracy which again is weird because is not like this Wikipedia page is going to change anything from that Ubisoft game, I'm puzzled by this unnecessary effort by people because they will gain nothing out of this
— User:Hopefull Innformer 14:03, 16 May 2024

Yes, whether he had any land is irrelevant because Nobunaga and him met for only 15-16 months, whether he bared the title IS relevant because we're talking real history, again facts show him as a retainer and that's what he will not be described as a Samurai as most evidence points to that, I don't understand this sudden obsession because a game is not gonna change history doesn't matter how bad you want it to.
— User:Hopefull Innformer 13:51, 16 May 2024

You all are missing the entire point, the page is protected because THIS IS WIKIPEDIA this is not a game people come here to learn about stuff and wikipedians try their best to be as accurate as they can to make sure everything is right or at least supported, if the game is choosing to be historically inaccurate that's fine, but the problem is people BELIEVING or taking it as a FACT that he was a "Samurai" it doesn't matter if some people call him a Samurai they're wrong & it is factually incorrect to call him one, I understand is upsetting to you when people are not just accepting whatever inaccurate narrative you want to push but this is not a "random" place this place has rules and policies to ensure unbiases and accurate information, you can stay upset or go complain about how "racist" Wikipedia is but is not going to suddenly change history or facts.
— User:Hopefull Innformer 12:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

No there it isn't, it someone also tried years ago to claim "he was assigned to be his seppuku assistance" and the source he cited wasn't even accurate, you're free to provide sources, but this is just speculation and wishful thinking, all for what? a game that has nothing to do with history accuracy? Please give it a rest if you don't have anything to back up he was deemed a Samurai" so far it all points he wasn't, just a turn retainer because Nobunaga liked him.
— User:Hopefull Innformer 18:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry this is just inaccurate, nobility mattered 100% and that adds up to the fact that Yasuke never really fight, never had any training, he was just not Samurai, his only battle was just at the the Honno-ji incident, which sure he tried but is not even a conclusive evidence about this whole ordeal. I saw someone mentioning the painting of appears to be a Black person and a Sumo wresting but that is just not reliable, nothing that shows that it was anything more than just a mouth to mouth recounting of someone talking about someone with dark skin and someone just coming up with that scenario. I don't think Theozilla is being sincere here let's focus, reddit is not a source.Also I agree part of the problem is most likely the translations to English and the unkemptness of the translation and the lack of work to distinguish between Kosho and Samurai and the looseness if it. It's something so simple. *sigh*
— User:Hopefull Innformer 20:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay you clearly came for twitter, listen is okay if you like Yasuke but again, we've been discussing this for days and all these threads, Primary source and the recounting point to Yasuke not being really a Samurai. Japanese shows showing Yasuke as a Samurai is the same thing, they made a Movie with Tom cruise about as Williams no? He wasn't really a Samurai either, never did I claimed either Japanese people cared either about the person in history who most likely not know anything about the facts either, and I'm not saying they should, what we are saying is that most of the info we have point to Yasuke not being a Samurai and his page should stay unbiased.
— User:Hopefull Innformer 00:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

You have repeatedly inferred that other editors be dismissed or diminished their contributions by accusing them of being motivated by the Ubisoft game, or accusing them of being "from Twitter". Setting aside the fact that "people from Twitter" is usually used derorgatively to imply someone has leftwing ideologies, you accuse people who disagree with you of being "just people who don't care for integrity or accuracy", even going as far as saying that User:Theozilla of being "insincere". Per Wikipedia:PA calling someone "insincere" or "lax" and going "whatever inaccurate narrative you want to push" all fall within the bounds of Personal Attack:

Using someone's affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views—regardless of whether said affiliations are mainstream. An example could be, "You're a railfan so what would you know about fashion?" Note that it is not a personal attack to question an editor about their possible conflict of interest on a specific article or topic; but beware – speculating on the real-life identity of another editor may constitute outing.
Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done.

The point of bringing the point to your Talk Page is to attempt a resolution without having to bring the Admins in on it. X0n10ox (talk) 08:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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