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The Signpost: 28 February 2011

Online Ambassador Program

Please take a look at this project page and see if you can be a mentor to one of the many Areas of Study. If you can, please put your name in the "Online Mentor" area of the Area of Study of your choice and then contact the students you will be working with. As the Coordinating Online Ambassador for this project, please let me know if I can be of assistance. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Just wanted to respond and let you know that I checked out the course page, but found all students aligned with a mentor. Let me know if you need help in any other areas. Cind.amuse 10:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Did I mess up one of your edits? CrazyAces489 (talk) 09:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm so sorry I couldn't respond earlier. The winds took out all our power last night. Major ugh. About the preview stuff? Nope, nothing messed up. I just thought I would give you a heads up. Last night I was patrolling new pages and I noticed that you were making minor edits and saving, in order to view your work. Previewing your work makes the editing process go smoother. (When I started working on Wikipedia, I did the same thing, until someone told me about the preview button.) Generally articles are easier to create in a subpage of your userspace before moving to the main space. I realize this may be a bit confusing. Basically, you should create articles in a subpage such as User:CrazyAces489/Kiyoshi Shiina or User:CrazyAces489/Joe Wanag. Creating an article in a subpage helps you so that you can create the article without the threat of deletion due to placing an incomplete article on Wikipedia. The very basic criteria is making sure the article is supported through significant coverage in reliable sources, that are independent of the subject. For example, take a look at the Kiyoshi Shiina article. The references are not independent of the subject, while some don't even mention him. We need sources that speak significantly and specifically about Shiina. Another thing to keep an eye out for is the embedded links. This link will provide some guidance. → WP:INCITE. Rather than embedded links, we need inline citations. Feel free to contact me anytime, if you have any questions. Happy editing! Cind.amuse 15:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Bullying in academia

Sorry, I removed your speedy tag. This probably needs to be debated at WP:AfD about whther it is a POV fork. Bearian (talk) 20:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC) P.S. I have health issues, too, so I may not check in for 48 hours or more. Bearian (talk) 20:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Hey, take care of yourself! The article? I agree, based on the author's statements, it appears to be a fork of the two articles mentioned. I'll send it to AfD and see what the community thinks. It should be interesting. I learn something new everyday and enjoy a challenge. Again, take care of yourself. Cind.amuse 20:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Could you review in my editor review? Thanks. -Porchcrop (talk|contributions) 09:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

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Offensive behaviour by User:Cindamuse

Hello, Cindamuse. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Offensive_behaviour_by_User:Cindamuse and relates to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bullying in academia. Thank you.--Penbat (talk) 16:33, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

refactor

Please don't refactor your comments after someone has responded to them (like here) [1], unless you like strikethrough and specifically make reference to the fact you're updating your statement. Makes the discussion hard to follow. Thanks! Gerardw (talk) 18:20, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for contacting me. The addition did not change the context of my previous comment. I had already indicated in the comment that the article is a POV/content fork and was within guidelines, as appropriate, for providing clarity to the discussion, see WP:REFACTOR. Now, if I had changed the context of my previous edit, or the comments of another editor, that would be an entirely different story. ; ) Please feel free to contact me anytime, if you have any questions or concerns. Best regards, Cind.amuse 18:34, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Improve and Such

Why did you delete Improv and Such? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chazz Pitts (talk • contribs) 02:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for contacting me. The article was actually deleted by another editor. Articles on Wikipedia require a clear indication of the significance and importance of the subject. Unfortunately, this article failed to meet the criteria for inclusion. We also require significant coverage in reliable sources, that are independent of the subject. You can actually discuss the deletion further with the editor that deleted the article. When you click on the name of the article above, you will be directed to the former location of the article, which will offer a link to the editor's talk page, where you can ask questions. After you speak with him, please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Best regards, Cind.amuse 02:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
    • Cindamuse i dont like how you deleted my page. it angered me. im really mad and im going to make another one and i hope you dont delete it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chazz Pitts (talk • contribs) 02:59, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
      • Chazz, please read my response above. You may want to consider creating the article in a subpage of your userspace. The editor that deleted your article may be able to provide a copy for you if you contact him. Regards, Cind.amuse 03:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Mentorship

Hi Cindamuse - Hoping you would be willing to be my mentor and help guide me through the Wikipedia process. I'm usually pretty good with new technology but creating a Wikipedia page/editing and updating pages totally intimidate me. Thanks so much in advance. BooBooBurrito (talk) 22:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Hey there! Just wanted to respond and ask if you have found a mentor yet. If not, I would be happy to lend a hand. And if you have found a mentor, I would like to offer my assistance in any regard, simply to serve as a backup. Feel free to contact me anytime. Hope all is well with you! Cind.amuse 18:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  • I have not found a mentor yet, and I would really appreciate your help! Sorry for the delay in responding. Thank you again! BooBooBurrito (talk) 20:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

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Na Hye-sok and some general questions about cleanup and references

Cindamuse,

I came across the Na Hye-sok page today and tried to sort it out a bit. Created some internal links from Wikipedia.. etc. Came back and saw your two tags.. cleanup and citations.

As I've never completely understood these^^ even after nosing around in the documentation, I thought I'd get a sense of it by asking you directly.

Is the "citations for verification" problem there that someone put references in from a trial subscription to Highbeam (i.e. there's no way to use them as a reader)?

Is the "cleanup" problem that works weren't separated from life? If not, what do you suggest? This tag has always been one of the vaguest for me, so I'd appreciate your input. Then I can go back and re-sort it out.^^

Thanks..

Ccmontgom (talk) 08:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

  • First off, thanks for creating the article. I had never heard of the subject before. The article is a welcome addition to Wikipedia. I would be happy to clean up the article myself, if it wouldn't be stepping on your toes. Some people learn better through visual examples, rather than step-by-step guidance. And of course, sometimes effective guidance is lost over the internet. Just let me know your preference. Cind.amuse 19:21, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


Cindamuse,

I would be fine with your doing the actual work. ^^ And to be clear, someone else should get credit for the page, I'm just trying to get it to look right and at the same time understand some of the of the tags that are nebulous in my mind. In fact, you may not remember, but some time ago you were helpful when I created a double-entry based on a weird romanization of Korean.

LOL.. some day I will understand all this.

and thanks! Ccmontgom (talk) 06:08, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Market Road Films

Hello Cindamuse. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Market Road Films, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not an unambiguous copyright violation. Please consider proposed deletion. Thank you.   -- Lear's Fool 10:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for contacting me. Approximately 85-90 percent is a word for word copyvio. At the very least, this article is an extremely close paraphrase. I'll go ahead and PROD the article and see if this can be addressed. If not, I'll send it for a discussion. I've offered a comparative analysis on the talk page. Cind.amuse 19:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Jose Kurian

Hello Cindamuse. I am just letting you know that I deleted Jose Kurian, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you.   -- Lear's Fool 10:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

New Wikiperson, would like to publish a short autobiography

Good day, I hope your health is back to TOP. My name is Alberto Rava, I'm Italian, 64 years old and I have published my third book this week. In the past I created my own website, visible at www.albertorava.it but as I retired I intend to concentrate on my passion, which is drawings. The books I published were all books with my drawings (Aldabra, Irian Jaya and now Animals at the Egyptian Museum)and I would like to put a very short biography and reference on Wilipedia. Please tell me if you could see www.albertorava.it to know me a little, and if I can send you a short biography so that you could give me some advice to publish it on Wiki. Many thanks. Alberto — Preceding unsigned comment added by ALRA2006 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Hi Alberto. Welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, I was unable to take full advantageous of your website due to the language barrier. That said, I think your fish drawings are impressive! There are a couple of things to keep in mind. Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged and frowned upon by the community. Wikipedia is not a webhost, but an encyclopedia. For most people, it is difficult to write a neutral and verifiable encyclopedic autobiography. Articles on Wikipedia require notability of the subject. This must be reflected through significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Additional criteria for artists include the following:
  1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors.
  2. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
  3. The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
  4. The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.

    If you believe that an article about yourself would meet the above criteria, I recommend creating and editing the article here: User:ALRA2006/Alberto Rava. Simply click on this link and begin editing. When you are finished, it is then recommended that you request feedback on the article to ensure that it meets the policies and guidelines. If it doesn't clearly indicate significance and importance, it risks being quickly deleted, which would be a bit frustrating after working to create the article. Nobody wants that. Please don't hesitate to contact me anytime you have questions. Best regards, Cind.amuse 20:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

THANK YOU VERY MUCH: All you wrote makes good sense to me so I think I will wait until I meet at least some of the criteria specified. You are also very welcome to ask about my website, but why do you mention "language barrier"? It is all in English, or Images .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by ALRA2006 (talk • contribs) 11:15, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

  • As I recall, it was all in Italian. Maybe I did something wrong. I'll have to check it out again! I have a background in fine art and enjoyed looking at your work. Cind.amuse 11:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
  • I UNDERSTAND WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED: probably, in the home page, you didn't notice that you could scroll down to the bottom of the page... There you can also find my lastest work on Etchings... I hope you'll like it , and thanks again for your advice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.38.45.122 (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Jesswest Mentorship

Hello Cindamuse,

Will you be my mentor? I am a graduate student at Indiana University and my Approaches to Development class is participating in the Wikipedia's Public Policy Initiative.

Thank you, Jess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesswest (talk • contribs) 19:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Hi Jesswest! Thanks for contacting me. I would be happy to work with you. I am available through email as well as here on WP. I'll review your course over the next couple of days. Feel free to contact me anytime. Just a reminder, make sure to use the section link above, so your comments and questions on the talk page stand out. Otherwise, comments may get lost in the shuffle. Again, feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Cind.amuse 18:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Kiyoshi Shiina

Kiyoshi Shiina - more references CrazyAces489 (talk) 06:26, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Orangefan32 Mentorship

Hi Cindy - I am currently a student at Syracuse University, and am participating in the US Public Policy Wikipedia Project. I was wondering if you might be willing to become my mentor for the project. Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangefan32 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Hi Orangefan32! Thanks for contacting me. I would be happy to work with you. I am available through email as well as here on WP. I'll review your course over the next couple of days. Feel free to contact me anytime. Just a reminder, make sure to use the section link above, so your comments and questions on the talk page stand out. Otherwise, comments may get lost in the shuffle. Again, feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Cind.amuse 18:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 March 2011

Speedy deletion declined: Dima Khatib

Hello Cindamuse. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Dima Khatib, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance. PROD and AfD are available if notability is a concern. Thank you. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 15:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Marking articles students are working on

Howdy, Online Ambassador!

This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things:

  1. Add {{WAP assignment | term = Spring 2011 }} to the articles' talk pages. (The other parameters of the {{WAP assignment}} template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.)
  2. If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: {{WikiProject United States Public Policy}}
  3. Add Category:Article Feedback Pilot (a hidden category) to the article itself. The second phase of the Article Feedback Tool project has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well. The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it.

And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them {{The WikiPen}} if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your mentor profile.

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:11, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Bad to Verse?

I looked at Verse the World and thought it didn't look quite spammy enough for a speedy. (I have no doubt, of course, that it was created with a pure intention per AGF.) I have taken it to AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Verse the World as I am not at all sure about the notability (and other people might not share my view on the spam level...). CU there? Peridon (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Write This Down (band)

What sort of silly rule is there where an AfD can be created but removed without discussion and not be replaced? Write This Down (band) does not meet WP:BAND and should not have an article, but I don't know how to create an AfD where it's linked to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Any assistance would be appreciated. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Tinkle doesn't add the link to the AFD community which means that the original author can't remove it until the discussion ends, as I've found out the hard way. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:36, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Not sure what you mean, Walter. Twinkle adds a link to the AFD discussion to the top of the article. Sometimes, the link is red (not sure why), but clicking through will still take you to the discussion. Cind.amuse 09:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Help please!

Hi,

My name is Jessica Saunders and I am writing an article (or trying to) about Mobio Identity Systems. I could really use some help as our last submission was deleted.

Thank you,

Jessica — Preceding unsigned comment added by MobioID (talk • contribs) 23:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Hi Jessica, Welcome to Wikipedia! There are a couple of things that need to be addressed immediately. Your username is a violation of our username policy and needs to be changed. Failure to do this may result in a block of your account. It is also clear that you have a conflict of interest in attempting to write an article about Mobio Identity Systems. That said, I would recommend that you write your article in a subpage of your userspace. For example, create your article here: User:MobioID/Mobio Identity Systems. Simply click on the red link and start writing. When you think the article is ready, I would advise getting feedback before moving it to the mainspace. Some things to keep in mind? Stay away from promotional content and copyright violations. If you are writing an article in an attempt to manage the public's perception of the company or to promote or enhance the image or profile of the company, it may unfortunately result in deletion. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia that presents articles of historical notability. The project is not a public relations platform or promotional tool for individuals, products, or corporate entities. This is a common misunderstanding for first-time editors. Simply announcing the existence of a subject prior to notability would be considered inappropriate. All in all, notability must be established and presented through significant coverage in reliable and independent secondary and third-party sources before inclusion on Wikipedia can be accepted. You can also review secondary criteria for corporations here. Please feel free to contact me if you need additional help or have further questions. Now, go change your username. Nobody wants to see you blocked. Best regards, Cind.amuse 01:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

a question about tracking pages or creating book

Hi i am Gulcin and new to wikipedia i want to keep the pages i've read in wikipedia. I kind of my own book, i used the book creator but when i log out i couldn't find it back. Could you please help me

Thanks a lot ps: i dont know if i have a talk page if yes where it is but i'll figure i hope


Gulcincetin (talk) 09:35, 18 March 2011 (UTC) no i dont want to do that, it will be a real book maybe a year later, i just want my account to keep the pages i find useful so as not to loose them, what i ask for is useful for readers maybe not the contributers.

  • The book creator is not designed to maintain an online copy of pages or articles that you have viewed. It is used to provide the means for you to keep an offline record of specific articles of your choosing. No alternative means for online viewing is provided. Please feel free to contact me if you have additional questions. Best regards, Cind.amuse 17:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Clive Parker

Dear Cindamuse - by restructuring the page you have made some of it meaningless like;

'Additional participation on the tour was made in support of Tenpole Tudor, Altered Images, Department S, and The Mo-dettes'

It would just be that the support bands were Tenpole Tudor, Altered Images, Department S, and The Mo-dettes

also... 'in support of Gary Glitter and Joy Division'

its not 'in support' of them, it is as 'support band' to them, or on the same bill - a completely different meaning

also... 'During the tour, the band (Solar, Spizz and Lu Edmonds from The Damned) provided support to Siouxsie and the Banshees at the Palladium in New York City'

it was during the tour, as the tour was with 999. It is in addition to the tour as they were already touring with 999.

also... 'In his spare time, he writes, and plays guitar and keyboards' - you have made an assumption that it is in his spare time, that's not what it said in the original article. What's your source?

Perhaps you should have a look at other band sites and come back, as your changes seem to reflect some sort of college dissertation rather than an accurate version of what occured at the time.

I take on board there should be more citations, so on, but give us a chance, we've only just started !!

I'll leave it a few days, and see if you can improve it, if not I'll undo it, and continue to make improvements that have references and citations. Thank you Debbiereynolds (talk) 16:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Actually, the edits were made in accordance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style, as part of the New Page Patrol and reviewing new articles. When new articles are created, we review the article and make an initial assessment to determine feasibility. We then make an attempt to bring the article into compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines and Manual of Style. The alternative is deletion. Editing is always somewhat difficult when editors fail to provide required sources and inline references upon which they base their articles. That said, reverting edits made in attempt to bring an article into compliance is considered disruptive. Before moving forward, I would recommend that you read and review the Manual of Style for biographies. It is also vital that you provide inline links to the article to ensure verifiability. You mentioned "give us a chance, we've only just started". to whom are you referring? Not sure I understand. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Regards, Cind.amuse 17:23, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the advice - duly noted Debbiereynolds (talk) 12:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion contested: Sky Airlines destinations

Hello Cindamuse, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Sky Airlines destinations, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Contains not one word of promotional text. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Thparkth (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree, it's not promotional. Airline destination listings are common on Wikipedia. However, a dedicated article is not needed. This article has been merged into the existing Destinations section in the parent article, the prod removed and replaced with a redirect to the parent article.--RadioFan (talk) 00:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Agreed that the standalone article isn't needed, and the redirect is a good idea. Thparkth (talk) 02:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for contacting me. I agree. Not sure what I was thinking at the moment. The merge was appropriate. Cind.amuse 07:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

recommendation

If you are going to act as an ambassador, I'd suggest you simplify your sig. While custom sigs can be fun and are obvious to experienced editors, new editors may find it confusing and have difficulty clicking on the link to your talk page. Just a suggestion.--RadioFan (talk) 00:53, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:PROF

I see you've been active on Wikipedia for several years and participate in patrolling new pages and guiding new users. Those efforts are appreciated. While I appreciate your passion, It appears that your are putting a bit too much weight into WP:GNG in this deletion discussion. While it is the basis for which other notability guidelines are written from and is what we often go to when a debate about notability needs to be simplified, they are all guidelines and ultimately concensus of those participating in the AFD is going to guide the admin closing the debate. I encourage you to read over some AFDs regarding academics here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators. It will give a good insight on consensus among other editors here.--RadioFan (talk) 13:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Thank you for contacting me. While I have a thorough understanding of the deletion process and the policies and guidelines evident therein, I remain open to the opportunity to hear the thoughts and opinions of others. And honestly, while I appreciate your enthusiasm, it is clear that you lack a comprehensive understanding of Wikipedia's deletion policy. I find it unfortunate and very telling that you disregard the general notability guidelines appropriate to the deletion policy and retention of articles on Wikipedia. The WP:PROF criteria clearly states that "If an academic/professor meets none of these conditions, they may still be notable, if they meet the conditions of WP:Notability or other notability criteria, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on the extent to which it is verifiable." As consistently encouraged in your RFAs, I concur that taking the time to read, review, and come to an understanding of the policy would be beneficial to your time on Wikipedia. Feel free to contact me anytime if you have further questions. Cind.amuse 06:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
    • I still think you are misunderstanding those passages in WP:PROF. Yes it allows, as it should, an academic to simply meet WP:N. That ensures that WP:PROF doesn't wrongly exclude a person simply because they are an academic. For example and assistant professor who has published little and hasn't been cited at all but has received much attention in the mainstream media would be notable based on this. I encourage you to rethink such a grand approach to notability where specific guidelines exist. If you step back and read the comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aditya Tripathi I think you'll see that you stand alone in this regard. Let's focus on the article and not the editors. --RadioFan (talk) 11:13, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
      • Yes, the consensus is clear. Yet, User:Open3215 requires scrutiny as a single-purpose account whose only edits include commenting on two AFDs in which you and the other editor that weighed in on this AFD (User:JohnCD) have participated. Additional comments are exclusively on your talk page, as well as the talk page of User:JohnCD. JohnCD states "nearly all things that he has written" are references, yet disregards all based on the inclusion of some. I certainly respect the consensus. That said, if you truly desired to focus on the article and not the editors, you wouldn't have contacted me in the manner that you have. A focus on the article would have remained on the discussion page of the article, rather than the talk page of the editor. That said, I extend an olive branch. I prefer to agree to disagree. While we may have different interpretations on the guidelines, I respect your opinions and level-headed approach in the discussion and look forward to working with you in the future. Best regards, Cind.amuse 11:38, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 21 March 2011



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The Signpost: 21 March 2011

Sandbox

Hi Cindamuse, I saw that you inserted the large box onto my user page with a link to create a sandbox. Do you know if there is a way to link my already existing sandbox to that section? My sandbox is Jesswest/sandbox (sandbox with a lower case s). Thanks for your help! Jesswest (talk) 03:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Please check

Could you please check the above diff—I just noticed one paragraph that I *think* was added by you while copyediting ("In 2002, ..."), that is a bit closely worded to the source (National Inquirer). Thanks, /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 14:49, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for giving me a heads up. I'll take a look at it. Sometimes I find content and use it to revise and copyedit to reflect my own words, then delete the source content. I must have deleted the wrong content. Appreciate your restraint in the face of my lack here. Best regards, Cind.amuse 03:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
  • I reviewed, made some revisions, and provided for references requested in the article. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks again, Cind.amuse 07:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Breaking out my article

Hi Cindamuse, For the section that I was going to add to under Human trafficking, I was thinking about breaking out my section on Eastern Europe (similar to what was done for Central Europe in the same article). I posted a comment on the article talk page to get feedback, but do you know if there is anything else I need to do to bring it up for discussion? Or do you have any suggestions or feedback on whether that is a good idea? Jesswest (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Hi Jess. The Human trafficking article is very unstable and highly charged. Various camps of editors from the opposing spectrum of the human trafficking issue tend to weigh in with their thoughts and add their political bent to the article. I would definitely recommend creating a separate article Human trafficking in Eastern Europe. That said, don't follow the process according to the break out done of the section on Central Europe. The content pertaining to Central Europe that was previously in the human trafficking article was inappropriately removed. When you create the article on Eastern Europe, keep the content currently in the human trafficking article and expand in the break out article. No need to bring this up for discussion on the talk page. Be bold and just go for it! Cind.amuse 08:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Rainer Friedrich

Hello. I was ready to move Rainer Friedrich to Friedrich Rainer, but I've noticed you have done the exact opposite, stating that Rainer Friedrich is the correct name order. So, to avoid unnecessary moving back and forth, I thought it would be better to discuss it first. As far as I know Rainer is the surname and therefore it should follow the given name (Friedrich), which means the title Rainer Friedrich does not adhere to the standard naming conventions. Of course I may be missing something, so I'd appreciate your opinion on the subject. Regards, --Jake V (talk) 19:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm not really familiar with the subject, but another editor asked me to weigh in. I ran a search and could find nothing definitive beyond over 120,000 returns on the name "Rainer Friedrich" and just over 50,000 on "Friedrich Rainer". I'm not personally vested in the article beyond that, but would be interested in any information you have on the name. Cind.amuse 05:21, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
    • Sorry for the late response. In fact, the search about "Rainer Friedrich" via google brings up rather irrelevant results. I am convinced that the proper name is "Friedrich Rainer", as e.g. the German wikipedia, and the Axis History Forum state. Anyway I'm going to leave a message to the talk page sometime and request move. Thanks for replying --Jake V (talk) 13:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
      • You don't have to request a move, just revert my earlier redirect. Let me know if you need help. Cind.amuse 13:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
        • Actually now that you've mentioned it I do. One solution would be temporarily deleting this so we can redirect it back, unless you have a simpler way I can't think of, as I am not yet that familiar with such page moves. Many thanks --Jake V (talk) 14:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
          • I could do it, but thought you might like to get a feel for how it is done. Go to this link and click on "history". Then click on "View logs for this page" at the top. Then on the right, there should be a link to revert. It will give you a space to provide a reason. Just type in "revert in accordance with Axis History Forum" or something like that. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. Cind.amuse 14:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Andy Hopwood (Martial Artist)

Hello Cindamuse, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Andy Hopwood (Martial Artist), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Logan Talk Contributions 01:54, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 March 2011

PPI Privatization

Hi my name is Andrea Walker and I am a student at Texas Southern University, my class in participating in a Wiki Project on Privatization. We are to write a seven paage paper on a subject dealing with privatization and i have chosen education. I would like for you to be my ambassedor and give me pointers on my paper. Will you be able to help?

Andrea Walker TSU Student — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreanecole (talk • contribs) 21:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Ball State

  • Hello Cindamuse. I used to be an Ambassador, but had to withdraw because of real-life time constraints. However, I would be happy to pitch in and help with Ball State. I have already emailed Dr. Newbold. Thanks • Ling.Nut (talk) 01:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
    • Hey there, thanks so much for the offer to help. I left the professor some information and an invitation to become involved in the program, but it doesn't look like he has checked in yet. I'm sure once they get up and running (if they become involved), there will be much to do. I left a note for Sage and Annie to give them a head's up. We'll see what happens next. Best regards, Cind.amuse 06:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Our Ball State Group working on researching the histories of several Ball State dormitories has run into some trouble figuring out where to put there contributions. Right now they are (in varying degrees of completion) in (pathfinder) Kelsey's sandbox. They're wondering whether to link from the current Ball State article to new pages (one by someone else on the LaFollette complex already exists) or to include their content within the Ball State article in sub-sections. Your opinion on this would be much valued, and any suggestions for the way ahead. I'll tell Kelsey Cox to keep checking her user talk page for your suggestions. Thanks for your help. --Webster Newbold 19:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

my 'commonwealth realms' articles

Hello cindamuse; I wrote these articles in an attempt to profile the commonwealth realms that no longer exist. Yes, you can argue that they're historical, but there's a wealth of other historical states and territories on here that no longer exist, and that existed for a shorter time and were less historically significant. Should we delete the 'nyasaland protectorate'? 'Nedic's Serbia', the 'kingdom of iceland'?...I fail to see why these states, which were independent, had their own separate monarchy/throne/crown, albeit in personal union with that of the united kingdom, do not deserve a separate article, or AT LEAST a clearly detailed section in the history article.

Best wishes

JWULTRABLIZZARD — Preceding unsigned comment added by JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk • contribs) 13:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Please know that these deletions are nothing personal. These articles are redundant content forks of the other articles indicated. A content fork is the creation of one or more multiple separate articles all treating the same subject. Guidelines state that content forks that are created unintentionally result in redundant or conflicting articles and are to be avoided. If you have additional information, you are welcome to merge them into these other articles, but they do not warrant separate articles. Let me know your wishes here. At this point, short of a merge, the option would be to group all of the "Commonwealth Realm" articles that you have created and send it for discussion by the AFD community. Due to the repeated recreation of these articles, they will most likely be deleted and salted in the manner of Kenya (commonwealth realm), by another administrator. Administrators can prevent the creation of a page through the protection interface. This is useful for articles that have been deleted but repeatedly recreated by an editor. Let me know your decision. If you wish to merge the articles, I would be happy to assist you, if needed. If you insist on keeping the content forks, Wikipedia's guidelines call for deletion discussion. I will note that generally in this situation when an editor mentions other articles for comparison, we direct the editor to review "Other Stuff Exists". That said, I would mention that Nyasaland Protectorate redirects to History of Malawi, the Kingdom of Iceland is another redundant content fork, and Nedic's Serbia appears to be an appropriate spin-out article. Sometimes, when an article gets long (see Wikipedia:Article size), a section of the article is made into its own article, and the handling of the subject in the main article is condensed to a brief summary. This is completely normal Wikipedia procedure. Again, let me know if you wish to merge the content from the "Commonwealth realms" articles, or send to deletion discussion. Best regards, Cind.amuse 16:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I'd recommend taking the whole "(commonwealth realm)" series to AFD (assuming the user doesn't agree to merging), as some of the speedies have been contested by other users. In most of the cases, these are content forks, and even when there is some unique content, it's still small enough to be easily merged to other relevant articles. AN AFD will get a formal consensus on the articles' existence, and prevent recreation ad infinitum. - BilCat (talk) 17:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Please note that the whole intention of these articles was not to be 'historical', despite the 'historical' nature of the states involved, they were intended as a 'spin off' of the main 'commonwealth realms' article. That, and like the chap who declined the deletion put, this series of articles has little or no information in common with the 'history of -' articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk • contribs) 19:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

Wikipedia Ambassador Barnstar
For excellent work advising students on their Wikipedia assignments, and a delightful willingness to take on more, I award Cindamuse the Wikipedia Ambassador Barnstar. Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:02, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

things to do

Thanks again for volunteering to take on more responsibility with the ambassador program. Here are some things you can do (as many or few as you like):

  1. Sign on as the mentor for this group of students working on "US biofuel policy]]. Introduce yourself, give them some feedback on the draft they've got going, and keep an eye on their progress.
  2. Sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Spring 2011/Environmental Law (Aaron Frank) as one of the volunteers for that class. I don't think we'll do mentors there, but they want a modest pool of ambassadors they can turn to for help.
  3. Sign on as the coordinating ambassador for Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Spring 2011/Economics of Public Policy (Eugenia Toma). Find all the articles or drafts students are working on, and make sure they get marked with the article feedback tool category and the {{WAP assignment}} template. Let me and/or the other ambassadors know if/when the students need extra help.
  4. Ditto for coordinating Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Spring 2011/Public Policy Design and Evaluation (Matt Dull).

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 16:36, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Akuntsu Social Media Agency

Hello Cindamuse. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Akuntsu Social Media Agency, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Winning a design contract for the youth olympic games just barely saves this from A7. Consider proposed deletion. Thank you.   -- Lear's Fool 14:17, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

  • I think you misread the article. The agency did not win a design contract. One of their employees won a design contest, separate from the agency. The source provided does not even mention the subject of the article. Cind.amuse 14:28, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Your previous comment on WP:VPM

[3] → I could not have said it better myself. –MuZemike 02:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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Autoconformation RfC

A formal Request for Comment has now been started on this topic. Feel free to contribute; best, Ironholds (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Message

FYI I am using your message here. I hope its ok. cheers --Guerillero | My Talk | Review Me 23:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Please feel free to use anything I write on Wikipedia. Head's up though, in that particular msg, I had added the editor's name of Jacob, so you'll want to adjust the words. Thanks, Cind.amuse 05:09, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 4 April 2011

Yes, I am Wikipedia also. However....

Your comment about "you guys" and "me" is all too true. I do wish I felt part of this community as I used to just a year or so ago. However, over the past two years, I have asked for help, advice, suggestions, and consensus about the project I have selected for myself, and have received naught but repetitions of the same old unworkable schemes--if I draw any answer at all. I have repeatedly outlined my problems in various venues, and cannot recall anyone bothering to comprehend them. I operate as a consensus of one as a result.

Along the way, as I have written away, I have staved off AfDs by the clueless, insults from the ignorant, denial of obvious contradictions, and random bogus tags from out of nowhere. I quit dealing with the History Contest and the assessment process when I was told that changing my writing style would magically cure a contradiction in WP policy. I quit DYK as a waste of time because I can create another entire article in the time it takes me to primp a new article into DYK shape. I come here to WP to enjoy myself, so I detach myself from these bull-byproductive portions of WP. Overall, I see a trend of bureaucraticization, with rules of thumb becoming ironclad, policy enshrined as directive, and process being more important than product. The emphasis seems to be on how to build Wikipedia rather than how useful it can be to the readers.

My reaction has been to turtle down and keep writing. This single trip to the Village Pump has convinced me it was and is a wise course. Once again, it's time to quit wasting my energy making ignored suggestions or requests.

Georgejdorner (talk) 01:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

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