User talk:B Fizz/2010
This page is an archive of User talk:B Fizz for threads that concluded during the year 2010.
Forcing stability on the page should be done on the basis of content. The passage has been endlessly controversial and simply removing it is not unreasonable. If you think the passage needs to stay, then argue for it. Mangoe (talk) 05:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
- I, personally, detest excessive use of the shiny "undo" button, and I felt rather icky when I used it twice within the space of 5 minutes. You do have a point. I will try to make myself clear on Talk:Marriage about what material I think should stay and why. ...but what do you think? ~BFizz 06:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
- I like the boxed off Confucius quote. Mangoe (talk) 15:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar
[edit]RE: Your comment on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people, which will delete the vast majority of 50,000 articles created by 17,400 editors, mostly new editors.
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What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar | |
The "What a Brilliant Idea!" Barnstar should be awarded to a user who figures out an elegant solution to a particularly burdensome bottleneck or problem, or who identifies a means to improve Wikipedia in a profound way.
This barnstar is gratefully awarded to B Fizz for or your great idea about deletion. Thank you. Ikip 09:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC) |
Invitation
[edit]This may be your cup of tea. :) I would be happy to see you there.
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OpenID
[edit]A few months ago, you suggested an OpenID userbox, what do you think of User:Awg1010/OpenID. Its an early draft and I could use some input. Thanks, Awg1010 (talk) 23:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Looks pretty good already. I've started using it. =) The links are good, as is the text. I'm not a big fan of the orange background; you might consider changing the image background and the text background to be the same color, or shades of the same. ...but what do you think? ~BFizz 03:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Okay I've switched it to a light yellow background that looks better with the text and link colors. By the way, I have no idea how to Categorize the box or those who use it. Thanks, Awg1010 (talk) 20:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have no idea how to do that either, but I'll look into it and see what I can do to help. ...but what do you think? ~BFizz 00:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Okay I've switched it to a light yellow background that looks better with the text and link colors. By the way, I have no idea how to Categorize the box or those who use it. Thanks, Awg1010 (talk) 20:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Site and no 11
[edit]Maybe we should remove some sites, I agree with you...--Automyte (talk) 19:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Final discussion for Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
[edit]Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
- Proposal to Close This RfC
- Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy
Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 02:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
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- This was in response to me placing a fair-use image that I had uploaded in the image gallery on my user page. I should have realized it wasn't fair use to also have it on my user page; thanks for the reminder. ...but what do you think? ~BFizz 07:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Mormonism
[edit]Hi BFizz - I noticed you made the edit I had proposed on the Mormonism discussion page re: the NPOV introductory statement. Thanks for stepping in - I'll check back in a couple of days on it just in case somebody disagrees. Cheers. 76.173.253.120 (talk) 18:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for mentioning that. I intended to also explain myself on the talk page but apparently forgot. ...comments? ~BFizz 02:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
BFizz-Thank you for your insights into the Mormonism article and for your additions of relevant information.DeltoidNoob (talk) 04:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Your latest 'action' against me
[edit]I responded to you on that page, but would like to point out that you have a habit of avoiding issues that I bring up. Why is that ? Simply not responding does not make them less relevent. But what do you think ? Cheers. Duke53 | Talk 05:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- [refactored] you have a habit of avoiding issues that I bring up - I would tend to say the same of you. Regarding my behavior: usually I don't comment when I don't have anything valuable to add to discussion. If I strongly agree or disagree, have something relevant to say, or wish to make my own point, then I speak up. ...comments? ~BFizz 06:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
p.s. I've changed my mind and decided that I do kind of like your old signature and, since you've abandoned it, will be using it; if you have any copyright or 'intellectual property' issues with that, please let me know. Thank You. Duke53 | Talk 05:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- I generally despise the concept of Intellectual property; you may consider my old signature to be "public domain" if it concerns you. Bold, italics, and underline is a bit much, though. I also recommend the <small> tag. ...comments? ~BFizz 06:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Warning
[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Duke53 | Talk 00:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
- Duplicating StormRider's comment directly below itself was redundant and added little value to the discussion. It wasn't even formatted correctly. ...comments? ~BFizz 02:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Conservapedia
[edit]Thank you for your prompt attetntion to User:Tmtlouslouse's concerns. One reason for my vagueness is, User tmt apparently edits under is true life identity. The "Hatfield and McCoy" type dispute between RationalWiki editors and Conservpadia editors now approaches its fourth year. User tmt & myself rather uniquely among these editors have enjoyed respectful and conscientious discussions in the past. However now, after a recent series of outrageous behavior by RationalWiki editors (see for example [1]) it is perhaps time to bring some semblance of NPOV to WP's Conservapedia related articles. My fear is user tmt does not fully understand WP:DR and particularly how it relates to a user editing under his real name. So I've proceeded with caution.
Does this help illuminate some of the problems I've had proceeding under Wikipedia:BFAQ#ATTACK? Thank you. nobs (talk) 20:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
User:Sid 3050 and User:Nobs01 exchange a few words
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Sid, this page is for communicating with me, not with Nobs. While I agree with your concluding 2 paragraphs, "losing your patience" isn't a good excuse for assuming a combative attitude. My question for both of you is how can I help? I've skimmed the CP article, and it seems reasonable, though I could understand a request for NPOV-ing a few sections. It doesn't look like the article is "under attack"; if it was at some point in time, editors have apparently addressed the serious issues. Nobs, I've created a section on the CP article talk page to allow you a place to freely (and non-vaguely) express your specific concerns. Please do so, and rest assured that any inappropriate retaliation by or against you will be reported to administrators. ...comments? ~BFizz 01:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Removal of discussion
[edit]I don't understand this disruption to a constructive mediation user:Tmtloulouse and user:Nobs01 both agreed to. [3] nobs (talk) 19:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- There were many comments that were not related to the article added into the section aside from yours, mine, and Tmt's, which is why the admin archived the discussion. I agree, though, it was a little annoying to have the discussion interrupted like that. If you have further content concerns, start a new section on the talk page and I'll help mediate as necessary. If you have non-content concerns, let me know on my talk page and I'd be glad to help you find the proper admin noticeboards and processes for dealing with them. ...comments? ~BFizz 21:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Unresolved privacy issues
[edit]I've been informed another editor has an unresolved Oversight Request outstanding on two pages. Can we get some action? Thank you. nobs (talk) 23:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- While I'd also like to have some closure, I'm not quite sure what you want BFizz to do here. It's in the hands of the Oversight panel.
- And unless I'm completely misinformed, the Oversight Request is of no issue to the current CP article, and nothing is stopping you from making content proposals. --Sid 3050 (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I must disagree. I've been told the agrieved editor made a plea at Rationalwiki only days ago to please stop attempting to out his alleged real life identity. Then here in WP, while mediating in good faith, his alleged true life identity is spilled on, not one, but two talk pages. This was totally unnecessary. No one was discussing using his name in the mainspace article. The editor who posted his real life identity must have been aware this Wikipedia user did not wish to be outed. The editor than cut and pasted the information from one talk page to another.
- So, how am I to proceed discussing content issues when these actions at a minimum can only be described as not in good faith? nobs (talk) 01:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- I have no ability to aid you in this issue beyond pointing you towards the admin noticeboards, but it seems you've already found the right noticeboard for the job. I'm not an admin, nor do I have any rights other than those of an auto-confirmed editor. ...comments? ~BFizz 02:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks BFizz. My point is, it's awfully difficult to discuss real content issues that need attention when editors use it as pretext to spill unnecessary personal information about other Wikipedia editors whom they know would prefer not to have information made public. nobs (talk) 03:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- I have no ability to aid you in this issue beyond pointing you towards the admin noticeboards, but it seems you've already found the right noticeboard for the job. I'm not an admin, nor do I have any rights other than those of an auto-confirmed editor. ...comments? ~BFizz 02:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
What is outrageous is the post-facto spinning or wiki-lawyering if you will, of User: Sid 3050, to make the claim he was merely "quoting" an article with two names, when there wasn't even a need to do so, let alone copy-paste it to an Admins page as well. What is outrageous is the prevaricator then wagging his finger at those calling him on his actions and also running around the wiki being "helpful" by removing the posting of the same information by others with the edit note "You are not helping the problem", as if the info he introduced himself was not to blame. I would say that at some point Wikipedia's Board of Directors and Administrators have to stop hiding behind clever rules interpretation and parsing and instead address the issues of truth, fairness and justice which should always trump arbitrary rules and de novo procedures. This demands attention in an expedited manner because ignoring users "gaming" your own rules to be clever by half is tantamount to endorsing their actions. In other words, absent PC jargon, at some point WP must call a spade a spade, or publicly renounce its own goals and rules. What is outrageous is it has been two days since I emailed "Oversight" and other high-level Administrators with the pertinent links and my requests. Still no response from a mailbox Wikipedia says is monitored 24/7. One would think the courtesy of some response, if only to say the user's request is being considered, or outright rejected would be the normal procedure. Outrageous doesn't even come close to describing how this is being handled by the "very busy" WP Bureaucrats. Respectfully, --TK-CP (talk) 22:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC) |
tl;dr. Now really, people. If you have some specific reason for contacting me, I'd be more than happy to help where I can. If I want you to clarify what another person has said to me on my talk page, I'll ask. Please stop using my talk page as a battleground/whining vent zone.
p.s. its kinda creepy how some of you have shown up to respond to what others have said on my talk page despite never having edited it previously. ...comments? ~BFizz 01:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- [Note: the refactored section that follows was written prior to this comment] To wit, "some of you" referred to TK-CP and Sid. I hope you don't take my accusation of being "kinda creepy" too seriously. If you really, really feel the need to clarify something posted to me by someone else on my talk page, please create a new section and address me directly. Thanks. ...comments? ~BFizz 06:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Removed from watchlist
[edit]Not wanting to be labeled "creepy stalking guy" because of my site ignorance, I have removed this page from my watchlist. Foolishly I assumed administrators here wouldn't ignore issues in clear violation of site rules, and we all know what assume means! I do respectfully suggest, B Fizz, that in the future you might just remove what you don't want on your talk page, rather than complain if personal attacks are answered when it was you who allowed them to remain. Just saying.... --TK-CP (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- Duly noted. I might clean this page up someday. ...comments? ~BFizz 01:49, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- Note to self: small continuation of discussion on TK-CP's talk page. ...comments? ~BFizz 06:16, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
LTSally name change
[edit]FYI, I have changed my user name from LTSally to BlackCab to avoid the tiresome, but entirely reasonable, false assumptions about my gender. BlackCab (talk) 03:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds good, thanks for telling me. I made the same false assumption when I first started interacting with you. ...comments? ~BFizz 04:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Silencing discussion on article's adherence to core WP policy
[edit]User:Hipocrite has quashed the response to your question on NPOV and W:RS discussion. [4][5] nobs (talk) 14:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting link to quash (no article there, just a pointer to wiktionary). I've commented on Talk:Conservapedia regarding the issue. ...comments? ~BFizz 18:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated List of monuments and memorials of Joseph Smith, Jr., an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of monuments and memorials of Joseph Smith, Jr.. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
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Joseph Smith peer review
[edit]I was removing the peer review status on the Jordan River article I've been working on when I saw the Joseph Smith article. I'm not a reviewer... I'd be horrible at it, but wanted to make some comments. I'll read it closer later but what hit me was wikilink overload. Generally, something should only be wikilinked once. There are alot of instances where the same word is wikilinked multiple times, including in the same paragraph... Prophet, seer stone, Anointed Quorum, etc. I also used the DabLink tool and found several disambiguation wikilinks. Go BYU Bgwhite (talk) 20:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback. I'll look into that. ...comments? ~BFizz 18:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Questions about lds mormons
[edit]Hi Bfizz, I just made this account on wikipedia so I could ask you and other some general questions about mormons. 1' Did Smith ever teach the Adam is God theory? 2' Did Emma betray the Church after Smith died? 3' What do you think of the controversial translation of the book of Abraham? 4' When it comes to 2 Nephi did Smith just copy parts of Isaiah out of his king james version? 5' Did Smith drink wine a lot? Thanks. Steve --Stevemccardell (talk) 16:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Stevemccardell. To briefly answer your "general" questions,
- 1. Kinda sorta maybe. See Adam-God theory#Reputed teaching by Joseph Smith, Jr. Quotes that go beyond the extent that "Adam was a god" to say that "Adam is our God" are (almost?) exclusively attributed to Brigham Young.
- 2. Define "betray". Did she leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Yes (ish). Did she claim her husband's property as her own, thus taking some property away from the Church that perhaps should have been owned by the Church? Yes. Did she do anything terrible to or attempt to destroy the Church? Not that I'm aware of.
- 3. I personally believe Joseph Smith, Jr. to be a true prophet of God, and the Book of Abraham to be divinely inspired writing. My opinion falls in line with apologists who assert that the translation was based on portions of the papyri that were lost. I do not force these beliefs or opinions on others as The Truth, but do myself believe them to be true.
- 4. I do not believe that to be true.
- 5. Colloquially, I've heard that he always carried a flask of wine. In all honesty, I've no idea. If anybody tried to put that into his article on Wikipedia, I'd demand a few good sources before letting it in.
- If you want me to go into more depth with any of these answers, just let me know. Disclaimer: I am not necessarily authorized to make official statements on behalf of the LDS Church or LDS Mormons as a whole. I've just stated my own opinions and beliefs, and most LDS Mormons would probably agree with these views. Now that I've answered, let me ask you a question. Why do you ask? ...comments? ~BFizz 17:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for your honest answers. I am studying the Mormon church right now. I understand some of the basic principles, but I do not know a lot about the history of the LDS church. If I have any further questions I will inquire of you. Thanks. Steve --Stevemccardell (talk) 17:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- Historical note: User:Stevemccardell was apparently a sockpuppet, supposedly the same person as User:Anti Foxe. I have no idea what his motives truly were in asking me these things, but I stand by my answers. ...comments? ~BFizz 06:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for your honest answers. I am studying the Mormon church right now. I understand some of the basic principles, but I do not know a lot about the history of the LDS church. If I have any further questions I will inquire of you. Thanks. Steve --Stevemccardell (talk) 17:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
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Good writing
[edit]Your comments at the vandalfighter RIP hit the mark exactly: I look forward to reading your work in future. Regards - Pointillist (talk) 23:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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For this edit; very well said and also really sad! Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 18:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC) |
- I agree with Pointillist and look forward to interacting with you in future. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 18:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you both. If there is any interesting discussion of new policy, be sure to let me know. In the meantime I'll gradually work on expressing my various thoughts. See User:B Fizz/subpages if you are interested in reading my 2 cents on a few WP-related topics. ...comments? ~BFizz 15:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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Warning (Sept 2010)
[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. You are welcome to rephrase your comment as a civil criticism of the article. Thank you. Duke53 | Talk 01:53, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
- "Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors." It was the particular edits that I was labeling as ridiculous and lazy; I'm sure that both you and Foxe are typically sensible and productive. You have my apologies that my comment came across as a personal attack.
- Historical note: Duke was referring to this comment of mine. ...comments? ~BFizz 17:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
warning users
[edit]Hi- make sure to warn users like this. It certainly makes blocking them easier when they persist. Cheers, tedder (talk) 02:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reminder. I was in mindless undo-vandalism mode and neglected to realize that a potentially valuable Wikipedian was behind the edit. ...comments? ~BFizz 16:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- What do you mean "potentially valuable Wikipedian" was behind the edit? tedder (talk) 16:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- I mean that the anon in question has the potential to become interested in productive editing. I should have reached out and explained rather than simply reverting. ...comments? ~BFizz 04:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Yeah, templates are nice for "hey! that isn't appreciated!" and also for "you might try.." type behavior. It's all good- and thanks for the translation. My human-to-tedder rosetta is a little narrow in meanings. tedder (talk) 05:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- I mean that the anon in question has the potential to become interested in productive editing. I should have reached out and explained rather than simply reverting. ...comments? ~BFizz 04:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- What do you mean "potentially valuable Wikipedian" was behind the edit? tedder (talk) 16:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
One of your comments
[edit]You said this on another talk page:
If you hit some of the links on that page you will see, indeed, that it is also an attack page. Cheers Duke53 | Talk 17:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. However, the reason I nominated the "why its true" page is because it is not directly relevant to Wikipedia. 99% of it was simply the presentation of apologetic views. The skepticism page, however, is clearly an essay regarding Wikipedia, so shouldn't be deleted under the same criteria. If it offends you, feel free to take it through an MFD based on NPA or whatever other policy you believe it violates. ...comments? ~BFizz 18:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I will file away the info you have provided: an attack page disguised as an essay is allowable at WP. Should come in handy in the future. Cheers. Duke53 | Talk 19:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Please don't twist my words. I never said it was allowable. I only said I wouldn't be the one for prosecuting that issue, and made clear that the two issues were distinct. ...comments?~BFizz 19:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would have imagined that the italicized "under the same criteria" would have prevented your eager misinterpretation of my words. ...comments? ~BFizz 19:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I will file away the info you have provided: an attack page disguised as an essay is allowable at WP. Should come in handy in the future. Cheers. Duke53 | Talk 19:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- By saying "because it is directly relevant to Wikipedia" you have tacitly said that it is allowable (or at least that will be his argument). By the way, any page attacking other editors isnot 'directly relevant' to WP. Cheers. Duke53 |Talk 19:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd rather not continue this discussion here. If you have problems with the particular essay, then send it through MFD. It's really quite simple to do, especially with Twinkle. ...comments? ~BFizz 18:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)