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Here Zhao Mengfu depicts the changing seasons with profound vibrancy and delicacy. The artist brought the work to his friend Zhou Mi—who had been exiled for refusing to work in the Mongol-controlled court—in hopes of comforting him with a reminder of the home to which he will never return. Autumn Colors on the Qiao and Hua Mountains, Zhao Mengfu, 1295

New message from Jo-Jo Eumerus[edit]

Hello, Aza24. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Concerto delle donne/archive1.
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Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jo-Jo Eumerus, I am at work with this in my sandbox. Thanks for checking in. Aza24 (talk) 21:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is the sandbox ready for swapping? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, not yet. Aza24 (talk) 04:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Asking again. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:12, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help with a quick BLP?[edit]

Hi, Aza! I was wondering if, given that I have never undertaken a biography of a living person before, you might assist with me with what I hope would be a relatively simple / quick bio article for Andrew Barnett (music writer), who as you may know wrote the 2007 biography Sibelius, was the project consultant of BIS Record's Sibelius Edition, and is the head of the UK Sibelius Society (and runs the website Do you think he is notable enough? I've started a sandbox effort at User:Silence of Järvenpää/Work (*). Happy holidays and happy new year! ~ Silence of Järvenpää 17:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy holidays and happy new year to you as well! Hmm, I'm not sure. The only substantial independent source I can find is It may be more likely that an article on his book itself is more notable? Aza24 (talk) 05:03, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. Hmmm ... let's hold off for now then (but thanks for the source you found!). For now, I'll leave red links ... or no? Also, in case you didn't notice, I moved all the expanded content to List of compositions by Jean Sibelius. And now the clean up on sourcing begins! ~ Silence of Järvenpää 02:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Red links seem fine for now. And I did see the big move! So great to see, and a huge step for WP's comp list coverage. Aza24 (talk) 04:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Aza! Sorry I missed this without a ping. I'm so excited to have moved it over to the mainspace. The article text is finished but the table still needs some work. I appreciate your guidance, of course. So... how has your 2024 wikiyear started off? ~ Silence of Järvenpää 23:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I forgot to mention: and I have paused on the list in order to create some stubs for Sibelius's piano works and chamber works ... or at least the most important ones. Hopefully soon the table will be without those pesky redlinks. ~ Silence of Järvenpää 23:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Silence of Järvenpää good plan! If you find any that are too fragmentary or niche for their own articles, you might consider doing something like Miscellaneous solo piano compositions (Rachmaninoff) Aza24 (talk) 23:06, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Aza. Thank you for the encouragement! I've been taking a little mini-break, but am itching to get back to Compositions for brass septet by Jean Sibelius. Do you like works for brass band? These pieces by Sibelius, especially as interpreted by Brass Partout for BIS, are hidden gems. I just adore them, especially the Andantino and Tiera. Also, one other thing (some good news!), but which I'd prefer to email about, for privacy reasons. If you're amenable, could you kindly remind me how to do so again? No worries if not! How goes your planning on Orlando Gibbons? ~ Silence of Järvenpää 16:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Silence of Järvenpää, my brass band knowledge is fairly limited; I know full band, winds + brass rep better). Although I find Janáček's famous Sinfonietta rather fun, if not silly at times. I listened to to the two you mentioned and prefer Tiera, which feels more idiomatic to the Brass aesthetic!
The email button should be on the right side of the page under Tools>General>Email this user.
My planning on Orlando Gibbons... well mostly non-existent. I fear I've told myself not to work on any article except Concerto delle donne at the moment, so it can finally be saved from FAR. This has had the unintended goal of making me not work on any articles :) Aza24 (talk) 22:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year


Same location pictured as 2019. Abel (who was celebrated there): one of his symphonies got a K. number. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy new year! Excited to say my choir is singing BWV 225! Have you and your choir ever done it? Aza24 (talk) 04:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, sadly, - our conductor thinks we can't do it, nor 227 and 226, - but those two I sang with different choirs before. After having performed two Bach cantatas in 2000 (+ the opening of another), we'll turn to three now, - in 2000 it was a composer's anniversary, now the conductor's. Also excited! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
story · music · places
Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have a good vacation! Are your traversing Germany or going elsewhere? Aza24 (talk) 23:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
back home (just now) - see places (where I'm behind but it will give you an idea) - if you look at music you'll see today's birthday child in action --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proper Citation for Leonardo da Vinci[edit]

Hello. I apologize if I am disturbing you at this time, but I was just wondering if this article that I found might be considered a proper citation. I do not want to make the same mistake as last time so I am wondering if you could tell please me if I can use this article as a proper citation.

[1] Thegreatcool (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Thegreatcool, many apologies for the late response. The issue was not so much with the citation, but the content. The first sentence of a biography should impart the most important categorization/identifiers for their subjects. For Leonardo, it is that he was a an artist and scientist; him being supposably self-taught is not crucial information. In any case, calling him "self-taught" is a stretch: he was educated for many years by one of the leading Italian artists of his time: Andrea del Verrocchio. If you mean self-taught for his interest in science, sure that is not as outlandish, but this is really the type of information that belongs in the article's body, not the first sentence. Aza24 (talk) 23:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for replying back very late. Thank you telling me this. Have a great day. Thegreatcool (talk) 04:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page writing[edit]

hello, you mentioned activism in my trying to sort out the topic of Chinese Legalism. But while I intend to present opposite opinions, I would like to mention that my work is based on the Stanford Encyclopedia and other famous writers in it. It has just been a very difficult topic to sort out. I've appreciated your input.FourLights (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @FourLights, nice to hear from you. I was referring less to activism per say, and the struggle to balance an evolving discipline with the orthodox view. In any case, I think we're on the same page now. Aza24 (talk) 22:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
since I was working from the ground up with less knowledge the situation was extraordinarily difficult since the Legalist interpretation of my category was initially critiqued to death in 1970, but continued until 1992, where it then died. I wanted to try to present balanced opinion but the line of opinion died out, scholarship became rarer. I actually can present something about Shan Yang's Legalism but there is no longer a Legalist interpretation in acamedia.

Pre-Shang Yang thinkers can be described as Legalist under Chinese scholar Huang Kejian FourLights (talk) 23:25, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February music[edit]

story · music · places

Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He played all three? Geez, he must have had some tea to help voice afterwards. Aza24 (talk) 22:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably he didn't, and died, - sad story. Some day we should do something about the 2017 ref-tag for Tristan und Isolde. - When I made today's story I was sure Alfred Grosser would appear on RD today, which may happen or not but I go to bed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I actually spoke to DanCherek about bringing the Tristan to GA at some point. Will ponder further! Aza24 (talk) 23:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. - Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rip to Ozawa, Vami... and now Pollini! Gah... too many gone too soon. Aza24 (talk) 03:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously. That one got to me (Pollini). Such a versatile musician, and so expressive. I was just now listening to him play - Stockhausen. Antandrus (talk) 03:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm listening to his Brahms 2 (the last movement) right now. Not even the rep he was known for, but yet magnificent. And so sensative!! Ironic how easy comparisons with Michelangeli are in this regard—perhaps the only two famous recent Italian pianists (I will run if someone mentions Einaudi). Aza24 (talk) 04:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

54th Academy Awards source review[edit]

HI there,

Could you do a source review for 54th Academy Awards for its featured list promotion? I would greatly appreciate your feedback

--Birdienest81talk 20:27, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now done! Hope you've been doing well. Aza24 (talk) 23:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]


What's the regulation on providing a small raw quotation from the Hanshu for historical detail if there's no original argument? There is no opposition to the argument, despite over sixty years, and the source is quoted by the high ranking scholars even if they comment more directly on the subject than the history.FourLights (talk) 02:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FourLights sounds like a fair time for a primary source. Generally, when using a primary source, its best to also include a secondary one backing the information up. I did something similar in Cai Lun#Development of paper, incidentally also with the Hanshu
You might consider noting that the text is often quoted; in my example above I say "This event and its context are relayed in an often cited passage of the Hou Hanshu". The main thing is that we don't want to interpret—or appear to be interpreting—the primary source ourselves. Aza24 (talk) 04:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't even know yet if dubs English Hanshu contains the section I want to quote, though I can check. I'm not sure if anyone discusses it either, though I can always research the Hanshu to improve it's page. I would only be quoting it in connection to Creel's history in relation to the figures. It wouldn't be necessary to discusses it since sufficient commentary exists. Given Sinology as a limited field, it's possible that it both is not translated, and is undiscussed.FourLights (talk) 04:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the Hanshu is untranslated (as with most the histories, aside from the Shiji), so you might not have luck there. I know there are miscellaneous sets of translations per topic, for instance, the chapters on Wang Mang are translated for a survey on him. You might find a similar topical translation on Legalism. Aza24 (talk) 05:07, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This ended up not being relevant at this time, but I'd like to call you in for review at this time, for the bottom discussion on the talk section.FourLights (talk) 03:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 2024 GAN backlog drive[edit]

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Liszt: Good Article Nomination[edit]

Hello - I've now submitted Franz Liszt for Good Article review; if you're able to review it then I'd be very grateful! Ligaturama (talk) 14:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great! It looks like Curry Time has picked up the review before I could, but they are a great editor and I'm sure will help out well. Aza24 (talk) 04:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I wasn't expecting it to be picked up so quickly. Well as the template says, more comments are always welcome, or of course you can just edit the article yourself. Regardless, thanks for your help. Ligaturama (talk) 08:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March music[edit]

story · music · places

in memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art such as this -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool pieces! Love the Hildegard statue. Gerda, have you ever sang anything by Frank Martin in any of your many choirs? Aza24 (talk) 02:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, regarded as too difficult. Pepping, Britten The Company of Heaven, Nystedt, Sandström ... but not Martin. Le Vin herbé seen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. My choir did Martin recently, but only a single movement from his mass. That movement alone was quite tricky! I can't imagine doing the whole thing (but would love to one day) Aza24 (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good for you! - va pensiero --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vacation pics uploaded, at least the first day, - and Aribert Reimann remembered who knew voices. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Next day, around Porto da Cruz, on Bach's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two days later in time, early Bach music for Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have been obsessively listening to the opening of Bach's St. Matthew Passion recently. So sublime! Aza24 (talk) 04:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. What do you think of the opening of BWV 66, my story today, with a link to YouTube? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Henry Purcell has been nominated for deletion[edit]

Category:Henry Purcell has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 01:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Responded there. Aza24 (talk) 02:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New message from Jo-Jo Eumerus[edit]

Hello, Aza24. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Concerto delle donne/archive1.
Message added 11:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Responded there, thanks Aza24 (talk) 16:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Archive links[edit]

Hi @Aza24. Your work on Euclid is great, thanks. The Wayback Machine (and Internet Archive more generally) is also a wonderful resource, one of the best things on the internet. However, it is in my opinion effectively spam (i.e. unhelpful to readers and unwarranted marketing for an unrelated service) to put an IA backup of every URL on Wikipedia, including living links, and it seems particularly spammy to include a large number of links to pages where the IA backup doesn't actually include the content of the page. It's more than sufficient for Wikipedia authors to tell the IA to back up every page linked from Wikipedia articles, but leave the Wikipedia page per se alone, only explicitly adding archive links to address actual or likely link rot.

The problem I have with such IA links is similar to my problem with S2CID spam added by Citation Bot, which nobody really ever seems to defend when it's challenged bu also nobody is willing to remove site-wide. I haven't had the enough interest/energy/time to try to make a site-wide RFC about either Internet Archive spam or S2CID spam, but I try to push back on it locally on individual pages.

I find it distasteful for other websites, even if they happen to be non-profits with publicly beneficial missions, to abuse Wikipedia for their own self promotion, and to be honest I think there should be some requirement to get large-scale consensus from Wikipedians before external organizations should be able to do this kind of large-scale spamming, instead of just going ahead with it and hoping nobody complains.

All the best, –jacobolus (t) 23:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jacobolus, I get it, and I apologize if my comment appeared to be fishing for recognition. My revert (and explanation) was more related to hasty actions amid a stressful day IRL (hence my revert on your page).
WP is full of useless things that have become standard, and I see this fits that bill. Other candidates are the page views template on every talk page (barely usable, take up space, much better tools available), links to EB 1916 in every external links section, portals in general, etc. Aza24 (talk) 23:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I try to clean up article talk pages when I can, including removing the broken page views templates. E.g. I also try to replace {{american english}} banners on talk pages with invisible {{use american english}} banners in article pages to reduce visual clutter, set the 'wikiproject shell' to collapsed state, consolidate talk page "milestones" in {{ArticleHistory}}, set up archiving of very old discussions, and take out redundant archive search boxes when there are 2 of them. I wish we had a somewhat more compact top banner than {{talk page header}} to put on talk pages; at least it's possible to use my own user CSS to hide the various welcome messages portions of it, leaving the archive search. I think I have sometimes compared articles with the EB1916 version and where there's no remaining text from the EB taken it out, but I might be misremembering there; most of the articles I look at weren't started from old EB. I have definitely sometimes removed {{mergedfrom}} templates after finding no remaining text from a long-ago merger, but I wish this could be one of the possible "milestones" instead, where people curious about the page history could see it.
Aside: It would be great if the {{ArticleHistory}} template could include custom / free-form entries. I'd love to see milestones along the lines of "Aug–Sep 2022, Aza24 does a substantial cleanup/rewrite" on Euclid, and not only items conforming to specific bureaucratic processes. Oh well. –jacobolus (t) 00:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We used to have a bot that cleaned up talk pages, but that was at least half a decade ago (before my WP time, but maybe you remember it?). There was something of a movement a year or two ago to clean up talk pages a little—Combining class rating & wikiprojects, as well as archive notices & talk headers came out of it. Unfortunately the autocollapse for WikiProjects was rejected at TFD. More nuance to article-history templates would be great, I agree. I'm glad WP:GOCE has their own template, though I rarely see people actually add it!
I know that EB-based articles (I think I meant 1911, not 1916, but same effect) are a complex issue with quite a bit of history. What I'm really referring to is that many people add uncited external links which say "EB 1911 has an article on so-and-so", which is perhaps the worst place a reader could be sent to. An 100 year, outdated source that probably just duplicates existing article content! Aza24 (talk) 19:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't at all mind people adding links to old encyclopedias on e.g. biographies of obscure 18th century English people. On topics of ongoing scholarly interest they're usually not very helpful. –jacobolus (t) 20:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Aside: Citation bot will hopefully no longer be doing so much S2CID spam, User talk:Citation bot/Archive 38 § Semantic scholar links continue to mostly consist of spam. I might get motivated sometime to go pester the internet archive people about the IA bot.) –jacobolus (t) 15:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GT promotion bot issue[edit]

Hi Aza24! I noticed that this GT promotion with Novem Linguae's bot didn't seem to work (although I can't work out why)—apologies if either of you knew this already and were working on it. — Bilorv (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Yeah, I hadn't noticed the second time. I'm not sure what's wrong either, if Novem isn't sure I may just do a manual promotion in the mean time. Aza24 (talk) 19:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bilorv sorry for the delay. I ended up manually promoting it pending bot investigation (the bot struck on a second article!) Aza24 (talk) 05:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the fix if this happens in the future. The bot looks for a certain pattern, and having numbers missing from the pattern confuses it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Signups open for The Core Contest 2024[edit]

The Core Contest—Wikipedia's most exciting contest—returns again this year from April 15 to May 31. The goal: to improve vital or other core articles, with a focus on those in the worst state of disrepair. Editing can be done individually, but in the past groups have also successfully competed. There is £300 of prize money divided among editors who provide the "best additive encyclopedic value". Signups are open now. Cheers from the judges, Femke, Casliber, Aza24. – Aza24 (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I am looking for reviewers of this FAC, which has been struggling to attract attention, and I want to make sure it stays afloat. Any chance of some assistance? Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Amitchell125, nice to hear from you. I'm happy to take a look but it may be later this week. I've left a comment on the review page so the coords now I'm planning to take a look. Best – Aza24 (talk) 04:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


story · music · places

Thank you for support for Copland, and please keep watching. I think the key to the revert may be found on Vivaldi. I passed a note on Classical music, to little result. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like to see Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me as you will know, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it my story. - How do you like the statue (look up places) - I was undecided so show three versions ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is an incredible statue! Wow! Much better than other attempts at composer portraiture... Aza24 (talk) 07:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! - Today I see Marian Anderson as my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anderson is awesome. You'd be surprised by how many singer friends of mine consider her one of their idols. Aza24 (talk) 22:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Last year when the same story came up it was Easter Sunday, as in 1939, so I had no time, but today I listened to the full concert, so moving - incredibly different voices for the last two spirituals, and such an intimate ending for that crowd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, and I just returned from a (long) opera about the same age, with soprano Pretty Yende --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]