User:Timeshifter/Archive 2
Just another guy with a PC. I'm feeling a little bit skewed. :)
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[edit]- My biases are shown by my writings below. But I respect WP:NPOV in Wikipedia articles.
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Wikipedia versus lies
[edit]Some people are immune to facts. From all sides of the political spectrum. Wikipedia is one place people can go to get the facts, or at least see the debate about the facts. Based on references they can check out themselves.
One lie that many Republicans are promoting nowadays is that the DC Capitol insurrection was a gentle walk in the DC Capitol building. Yeah, there was some peaceful strolling at times. But there was a lot of violence too.
138 police officers were injured. See the article:
Clickable images
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  Clickable image of the Luncheon of the Boating Party (1881) by Pierre-Auguste Renoir (The Phillips Collection, Washington, D.C.). Place your mouse cursor over a person in the painting to see their name; click to link to an article about them. |
Userboxes
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See also: User:Timeshifter/Userboxes, and the section after this one.
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 | This user has rollback and pending changes reviewer rights on the English Wikipedia. (verify) |  |
 | This user contributes to Wikimedia Commons. |
 | This user is not an administrator on the English Wikipedia. (verify) |
 | This user uses reFill to expand bare references. |
 | This user despises Gerrymandering. |
 | This user believes that all procrastinators (himself included) need to unite and take over the world... tomorrow. |
 | This user wastes far too much time editing Wikipedia. |
.svg){kind=small} | This user is a participant in WikiProject United States Public Policy. |
 | This user hails from or lives on Earth. |
| {{Wiki}} | This user is a professional writer in the MediaWiki language. |
 | This user is a member of the Kindness Campaign. |
 | This user is a participant of WikiProject Countering systemic bias. |
| 1RR | This user prefers discussing changes on the talk page rather than engaging in an edit war. |
| السلام-שלום | This user participates in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration. |
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 | This user rescues articles for the Article Rescue Squadron. |
 | This user is a participant in WikiProject Userboxes. |
 | This user proudly participates in WikiProject Lists. |
 | This user is a participant in WikiProject Maps Map Workshop (watch) |
 | This user is a participant in WikiProject Drug Policy. |
 | This user is a participant in WikiProject Correction and Detention Facilities. |
 | This user is a member of WikiProject Human rights |
 | This user knows that replacing one bias with another is not cleanup. |
 | This user is in the free and open-source software task force. |
| ♫ | This user likes the song Hotel Wikipedia. |
 | This user is a member of WikiProject Discrimination. |
 | This user advocates the bold, revert, discuss cycle. |
 | This user agrees that nationalism is Wikipedia's plague. |
 | This user is a participant in WikiProject Computing. |
| This user is a participant in WikiProject Cannabis. |
 | This user is interested in revolutions. |
| STAR TREK |
This user likes firing all phasers and a full spread of photon torpedoes. |
| This user is a member of WikiProject Vietnam. |
 | This user is a member of the Association of Eventualist Wikipedians. |
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 | This user supports open-mindedness. |
 | This user believes that articles are useless without images. |
 | This user is opposed to political censorship. |
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| This user strives to maintain a policy of neutrality on controversial issues. |
 | This user is a participant in WikiProject Images and Media |
| This user spends WAY too much time on Wikipedia and really needs to get off the computer... after one more edit. |
 | Timeshifter thinks first-past-the-post is a flawed voting system and wants fairer votes. |  |
| This user despises Gerrymandering. |
 | This user supports the direct participation of electorates by initiative, referendum, recall, and dissolution. |
| This user supports proportional representation. |
 | This user supports instant-runoff voting. |
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This user is against the war on drugs. |
Userboxes. Mine
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For more ideas see User:Timeshifter/Userboxes. The ability to have some en:WP:consolidated watchlists, and be able to choose what is and isn't on it, would be nice. Some of the Wikipedia-related userboxes may not be as relevant today.
| This user opposes Uyghur genocide denial. See also: Cultural genocide. | |
| This user condemns and opposes Romani genocide denial. | |
| This user condemns and opposes Bosnian genocide denial. | |
| This user condemns and opposes Rohingya genocide denial. | |
 | Unresolved content disputes combined with abusive admins and policies drive away editors and donations. See also. |
| The lack of enough moderators and arbitrators drives away editors and donations. More info. |
 | I support on/off buttons for opt-in ads on a nonprofit Wikipedia for all readers (via cookies). |
| This user supports global, cross-wiki, integrated watchlists. |
| This user supports opt-in ads on Wikipedia (via user preferences). |
Quotes on consistency
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- "Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative." By Oscar Wilde.
- "The lawyer's truth is not Truth, but consistency or a consistent expediency." By Henry David Thoreau.
- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." By Ralph Waldo Emerson.
- "Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are dead." By Aldous Huxley.
- "Rule-following, legal precedence, and political consistency are not more important than right, justice and plain common-sense." By W. E. B. Du Bois.
- "Consistency is the most overrated of all human virtues... I'm someone who changes his mind all the time." By Malcolm Gladwell.
- "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." By Bernard Berenson.
- "True consistency, that of the prudent and the wise, is to act in conformity with circumstances and not to act always the same way under a change of circumstances." By John C. Calhoun.
- "Consistency is found in that work whose whole and detail are suitable to the occasion. It arises from circumstance, custom, and nature. By Vitruvius.
- "Consistency is the paste jewel that only cheap men cherish." By William Allen White.
Quotes on bureaucracy
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- "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy." By Oscar Wilde
Stuff
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Just another guy with a PC. :) What follows are some of my ramblings over the years, some of which have not been updated in a long time. Your mileage may vary. :0 - About my username: Time dilation is a proven fact. Time travel is not, and I personally don't believe it is possible. But I could be wrong. :)
Think big: Free knowledge for all: Wikipedia Zero, and open access. A cross-wiki watchlist for all Wikimedia wikis. A Visual Editor with fast section editing. Using the Firefox browser try opening up a section of the Barack Obama page (or other similarly long, and highly referenced article, with many templates) for editing with the Visual Editor. It takes a very long time in Firefox before editing can begin. It only takes a few seconds in the old wikitext editor to open up a section for editing (in any browser). People who see something minor that needs to be corrected or updated don't want to wait 30 seconds for the page to be ready for editing. And they may also not want to learn the arcane language of wikitext editing. See also Bugzilla 48429.
- School is a prison — and damaging our kids. From the article:
| "Wherever he placed such a computer, dozens of children would gather around and, with no help from adults, figure out how to use it. Those who could not read began to do so through interacting with the computer and with other children around it. The computers gave the children access to the whole world’s knowledge." |
- See also: School-to-prison pipeline.
Anything we can do to make editing more efficient in the Visual Editor and in the Wikitext Editor makes a big difference. Because live editors do millions of edits a month on English Wikipedia:
Here is a good summary chart below. It says the maximum number of active editors (5 or more article edits in the last month) peaked at around 53,000 in March 2007.
See also: commons:Category:English Wikipedia active editor statistics for more stats and charts. I think there need to be 4 timeline graphs of the number of editors making 1, 2, 3, and 4, edits per month. Then we can do the math of the cumulative edits per month by each group. It may turn out the editors who are most important are the ones doing only a few edits per month.
Wikipedia and the Commons need more charts, graphs, and maps
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It is now possible to copy and paste tables from web pages directly into the WP:Visual Editor. Use a sandbox and edit the table further in both wikitext source mode and in the Visual Editor. One of the most useful features is the ability to add and delete columns and rows. Click on the left of a row, or the top of a column to see the options. For more info see Help:Table and the section on the Visual Editor.
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The number of women who sought and won election to the US House and Senate in each election cycle from 1974 to 2018. -
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Source: Correctional Populations in the United States, 2013 (NCJ 248479). It is appendix table 5 on page 13 of the PDF. From U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. At the beginning of 2008, more than 1 in 100 adults in the United States were in prison or jail. Total US incarceration peaked in 2008. Total correctional population (prison, jail, probation, parole) peaked in 2007. If all prisoners are counted (including juvenile, territorial, ICE, Indian country, and military), then in 2008 the US had around 24.7% of the world's 9.8 million prisoners. -
The United States is the world's leading jailer. Inmates per 100,000 population. Total US incarceration peaked in 2008. See: Incarceration in the United States and List of countries by incarceration rate. -
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Incarceration rates for adult males in U.S. jails and prisons by race and ethnicity. At midyear 2009, an estimated 4.7% of black non-Hispanic men were in prison or jail, compared to 1.8% of Hispanic men of any race, and 0.7% of white non-Hispanic men. -
Citations needed in the fog of war
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Western systemic bias.
See WikiProject Countering systemic bias.
Where is my vote? The motto used by Iranian demonstrators in June 2009.  
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Thoughts are free - Song lyrics liked by the White Rose resistance.
War (Bob Marley song). Live version: [2].
Part of Haile Selassie’s 1963 United Nations speech that appears in "War:"
That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned; That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained;
WikiProject Palestine Open Tasks
Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine/to do. Copy and paste this code below into user and talk pages:
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Palestinian refugees in 1948: 100-Year-Old General: We Razed Arab Villages, So What?. By Gil Ronen, June 13, 2013. Israel National News. From the article: "Brig. Gen. (res.) Yitzhak Pundak: If we hadn't done it, there would be a million more Arabs and there would be no Israel."
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Wikipedia and the Commons need more maps, charts, and graphs. See: commons:Commons:Chart and graph resources.
- Category:War casualties
- commons:Category:War casualties
- commons:Category:2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict casualties
- commons:Category:Palestinian casualties of the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict
- commons:Category:Israeli casualties of the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict
WikiProjects and more
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I am a member of these WikiProjects:
- Cannabis - see also Cannabis in United States. (or enter your country or state).
- Copyright Cleanup
- Correction and Detention Facilities
- Countering systemic bias/Global perspective
- Discrimination
- Drug Policy
- Free Software
- Human rights
- Illustration
- Images and Media
- Israel Palestine Collaboration
- Maps
- Middle Eastern military history
- Organized Labour
- Palestine
- United States Public Policy
- Vietnam
See also:
- Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines
- Category:Wikipedia policies and guidelines
- Template:Wikipedia policies and guidelines
- Wikipedia userboxes
Graphics tools, methods, links
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- Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Image workshop
- commons:Commons:Chart and graph resources
- commons:Commons:Map resources
- commons:Category:Commons resources
- Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Resources
- meta:Philip Greenspun illustration project.
- meta:Philip Greenspun illustration project/Requests - request creation/improvement of illustrations.
Related categories for diagrams, charts, graphs, maps:
There are additional resources below that are not directly listed in the above links.
- Wikibooks:wikibooks:Computer software bookshelf#Graphics and video software
- http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Gimp/WebHome
- http://en.flossmanuals.net/write
IrfanView is a great, highly-rated freeware image editor.
KompoZer is a good, free, web page editor.
GIF images are fine for graphics on wikipedia. See this discussion, and this one.
Transparency works in GIF images. I am not familiar with all the intricacies though. Many graphics do not need transparency. Especially when used on wikipedia pages. I noticed that GIF images using transparency have to be done correctly if the images are to be scaled. Otherwise one gets the jaggy, laddered edges. There are ways to make the transparency work correctly with GIF images according to this:
Charts are needed
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Wikipedia and the Commons need more charts and graphs. See: commons:Commons:Chart and graph resources.
For example; a country chart listing the percent of households with handguns in every nation.
Even better, a country or region chart with one column listing the murder rate, another column listing the percent of households owning handguns, and another column listing the percent of murders committed using handguns.
Data on chart below is out of date.
Copying maps and charts from PDF files
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Ask for map help of any kind on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps talk page, or ask the project participants directly on their talk pages.
Another very active place to seek map help is at:
- Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Image workshop - Creates and/or improves maps.
See many map sources, help, work, and template links here:
It is usually better if uploaders make and upload PNG or GIF copies of maps and charts found in PDF documents. PNG and GIF are free, lossless, uncompressed, sharper formats. Please do not use the JPG image format for map and chart graphics. JPG images, and subsets cropped from them, get progressively more and more blurry since JPG is always compressed. Even at the highest quality levels.
I use the freeware IrfanView. It is great for pasting in full or cropped sections of PDF maps, and then converting to GIF or PNG. One can continue to crop further subsets without loss of clarity.
Image formats such as JPEG (JPG) that use lossy data compression, are generally not as good for images that have sharp lines and text in them. When scaled the compression process used for these formats can make lines and text appear "fuzzy" (especially at higher compression levels), even if they were sharp when originally created.
This is not usually a problem with thumbnail JPG images in Wikipedia articles. People can click the image to enlarge it and see a sharper version of the image. But with scaled, intermediate-sized JPG images in a Wikipedia article it can be a problem. That is because the MediaWiki software compresses the image somewhat while scaling it, and the image may look "fuzzy", and have compression artifacts. MediaWiki does not scale JPG images using the highest quality settings.
Even at the highest quality settings there is no JPG setting for saving an image that will not compress the image a little. It is always a lossy compression. See: [3]
Essays and ramblings
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- My biases are shown by my writings above and below. But I respect WP:NPOV in Wikipedia articles.
| Some of these essays may not have been updated in awhile, and may no longer apply. They are kept for historical purposes and perspective. |
I don't actually want Wikipedia to fork. But it could be done as a last resort if Wikipedia loses its way.
Support in principle: English Wikipedia fork. If necessary, there is no technical or financial reason a fork could not be done. Other wikis outside Wikimedia can already use Commons images via InstantCommons. It is not technically necessary to use servers one owns. There are many large commercial server farms with servers spread worldwide that could handle the English Wikipedia bandwidth needs. They have dynamic load balancing and can handle any fluctuations in bandwidth needs. The English Wikipedia fork would still be nonprofit, and could raise money the same way through fundraising drives. If necessary, opt-in ads could be allowed for awhile. See: User:Timeshifter/Userboxes/Optional ads. Wikipedia would still be nonprofit. The money raised from all sources would pay for the many technical staff people necessary to maintain the MediaWiki software on the servers. English Wikipedia would decide what parts of the MediaWiki software to enable or disable.
I edit on Wikipedia, Commons, Wikia, and Shoutwiki. On none of those major wikis do I have less than twenty thousand edits. I have also edited on Meta, Strategy, MediaWiki, Bugzilla, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikiquote, etc... I am a bureaucrat at Wikia, and a steward on Shoutwiki. We can do better on Wikipedia. There is too much nationalism, religious zealotry, and close-mindedness.
We should not let an admin, leader, or any "authority" anywhere forget that they are empowered by us. We can tell the emperor that he is wearing no clothes as concerns their skills. Because some or many of them can be incompetent according to the Peter Principle. Especially some of the leaders at the level of the Wikimedia Foundation board and staff at times. Some of them get promoted beyond their level of current competence (per the Peter Principle), since some of them are fairly inexperienced at editing Wikipedia, or dealing with the intricacies of Wikipedia. Some of them hang out at Meta-Wiki, where ideas go to die. Or they create other small wikis such as the Strategy wiki, Usability wiki, Outreach wiki, etc.. To get more in-depth participation in projects, move projects to the Wikimedia Commons, or better yet, back to English Wikipedia. English Wikipedia has far less systemic bias than in the past. The Commons gets a lot of participation from editors worldwide. For more info see: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-07/Op-ed, "Op-ed. Meta, where innovative ideas die", especially the comments. See also this article and comments: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-05-27/Foundation elections. "Meta: 'a specific kind of mess'?" See also: meta:User talk:Timeshifter#Meta-Wiki.
Commons has a huge number of active editors (registered users who have performed an action in the last 30 days). Compare the number to English Wikipedia. See:
Meta, Strategy, Outreach, Usability, etc., and all their projects, would still exist if they were moved to the Commons. They would be independent projects on the Commons. All the documents would still exist. They would be on the Commons watchlist. Far more people would get involved. For Meta, everything would continue on: board elections, steward elections, chapter documentation, translations, Wikimania bidding, policy drafting, committee work, GAC/FDC, etc.. The only difference would be that they occur on the Commons where there are far more active editors from around the world. Until there is an Integrated watchlist that people like, and can easily enable, this is the best way for such projects to get broad participation.
One way is to do it with folders. As on Mediawiki.org at mw:Technical communications/Mobile documentation consolidation where there is a folder for Technical communications subdivided by sub-project. There are many such folders for various projects on MediaWiki.org. It would be easy to do this via meta:Special:Export on Meta, and commons:Special:Import on the Commons. One uses "Destination root page" in the Special:Import form on the Commons, and enters "Meta". So all pages moved from Meta to the Commons would start with commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta - I have tested this on another wiki when importing stuff between wikis. It works. If small wikis were moved to the Commons, then templates would no longer have to be duplicated on all those wikis.
| There is a lack of quality group collaboration and discussion due to poor problem solving methods, and inadequate discussion software in the Village Pumps and elsewhere. LiquidThreads, used at MediaWiki.org, is an abomination, developed without broad feedback from regular editors. See article by someone else: Why I hate LiquidThreads. It mainly got feedback from regular editors at the currently near-useless Meta-Wiki. See this site search of Meta. What is needed is more group problem solving, section watchlisting, and less reliance on support and oppose votes. There is some collaborative effort in Bugzilla threads, but the format is only partially compatible with MediaWiki formatting. All in all, Wikipedia could learn a lot from Khan Academy and its as-needed group problem-solving methodology. Some subpage-based forums would be very helpful too. See: Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 93#Convert Village Pump to Wikia Community Forum software and its subsections. See one of the new Wikia Community Central forums, for example; the General Discussion one. The forum threads can be watchlisted individually, and can be sorted by most recent reply, most active in 7 days, oldest threads, and newest threads. See also the old Wikia Founder & Admin Forums. Individual threads can be watchlisted, and it uses standard wiki discussion page editing which some prefer to the new forums. It also has the better, more complete, editing toolbar. |
The best way to edit Wikipedia lately is to post and run, since there is no efficient content dispute resolution. For that see User:Timeshifter/More articles and less editors. Another good thing to do is post suggestions on article talk pages. Wikipedia survives, for now, only because there are more good editors posting and running. They outnumber the legions of moron tagteams and fanboys (there are few women who edit) that drive away innumerable good editors who stand, fight, and then get blocked by clueless admins wielding WP:Edit warring in totally arbitrary ways. See User:Timeshifter/Unchecked admin misconduct.
Wikipedia bias concerning UFOs
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See these articles for example:
WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias open tasks
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The show/hide box below is from this: {{Censorship}}
Systemic bias. The box below is from this: {{WikiProjectCSBTasks}}
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My bias
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I support WP:NPOV (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). In case you were wondering, I am American, and I do not have any particular religious beliefs. My spiritual beliefs range widely, and they change. For a little more about me see the #Userboxes section on this talk page. My Wikimedia commons user page is at commons:User:Timeshifter. My Meta user page is at meta:User:Timeshifter.
I am pro-Palestinian. I also support progressives from any wing of Israeli politics. I support a two-state solution concerning Israel and a future state of Palestine. It would be even better if a rough consensus would emerge among all people there for a non-theocratic, one-state solution with genuine religious toleration and freedom for all.
For the right sidebar see: {{North American slave revolts}} and {{Operation Condor}}
Of historical interest: Mangrove 9. Chicago 7. Central Park 5.
Media bias
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Wikipedia is so popular that it could be considered part of the mass media. The Alexa traffic rank of Wikipedia is in the top ten worldwide. See:
That means only a few web sites get more daily page views than Wikipedia. Here are some relevant wikipedia pages concerning media bias, religious influence, lobbying, etc..
- - Media bias#Vis-a-vis religious issues
- - Pat Robertson, 700 Club, Category:Left Behind series, Christian Zionism.
- - Israel lobby in the United States, Arab lobby in the United States, Pallywood.
- - Clear Channel, Air America Media, Right-wing radio (redirects to Conservatism#Radio).
- - Echo chamber (media), Vast right-wing conspiracy, Liberal media (redirects to Media bias).
- - Christian right, Christian left, Jewish lobby, Ethnic interest group.
- - Spin (public relations), Interest group, Campus Watch, CAMERA Israeli lobby campaign in Wikipedia
- - Media manipulation, Framing (social sciences), Fear mongering, Code word racism.
- - Smear campaign, Foreign policy interest group, Attack ad.
- - The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Managing the news, Gatekeeping (communication),
- - Propaganda, Bandwagon effect, Disinformation, Flag-waving, Scapegoating.
Practicing WP:NPOV
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WP:NPOV (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). Implementing NPOV in articles is dependent on civil discussion of disagreements. See Wikipedia:Civility. It is also dependent on understanding the difference between guidelines and policies.
Systemic bias in English Wikipedia and English media.
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See:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Global perspective
Found this quote on another user's page:
We were not born critical of existing society. There was a moment in our lives (or a month, or a year) when certain facts appeared before us, startled us, and then caused us to question beliefs that were strongly fixed in our consciousness — embedded there by years of family prejudices, orthodox schooling, imbibing of newspapers, radio, and television. This would seem to lead to a simple conclusion: that we all have an enormous responsibility to bring to the attention of others information they do not have, which has the potential of causing them to rethink long-held ideas. — Howard Zinn
Ultra-nationalist editors and tag teams are bad enough. Systemic bias is even more difficult for Wikipedia and WP:NPOV neutrality. Wikipedia is about neutrality (WP:NPOV). If more editors fully understood it, there would be less problems. If more people allowed all significant viewpoints to be shown (from reliable sources), then there would be less complaints, because people could not say that their POVs were not being expressed.
People who insist that ONLY their particular POV be expressed on a Wikipedia page will not be happy, and should leave, or be banned (at least temporarily), from Wikipedia. It is against a core Wikipedia policy (WP:NPOV). WikiProject "Countering systemic bias" is about expanding Wikipedia's expression of all significant viewpoints. Especially, those viewpoints suppressed by institutionalized bias, racism, bigotry, ignorance, culture, etc..
I usually say something concerning unbalanced POVs (even ones I agree with) when it is brought up concerning parts of articles I have worked on. I try to be intellectually honest and fair. I don't just do this out of charity. I want my edits to be treated the same way by others.
When I point out some unbalanced POV that an editor has inserted, I want them to be intellectually honest too. Fair is fair. It is common-sense fair play. When I say "Unbalanced POV" I am referring to a POV being expressed in an article without the balance of other POVs. Wikipedia maintains a neutral point of view in the narrative voice of the article by expressing the various POVs in the form of X says Y.
Israeli human rights violations in the Palestinian territories
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Note: See: {{Banner WPIPC}}. It seems things have been improving since the creation of Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration after this section was first written, but in some areas things can move along glacially at times when one compares the subcategories in these two "human-rights-by-country" categories:
The following discussion between the lines was copied from
There doesn't seem to be a good article on the Israeli occupation of the territories, including such things as security arrangements, the barrier, checkpoints, travel restrictions, settlements, citizenship, roads, water rights and so on. There is some information in Allegations of Israeli apartheid, but that's focussed on the word "apartheid" rather than more general. —Ashley Y 09:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- I copied this from that section:
- Occupation of Palestine has been reduced to a (very problematic) disambiguation page. As far as I can tell, anyone looking for this quite important topic under its obvious name will be sent down a maze of twisty little passages. Further comments at Talk:Occupation of Palestine#A nonsense and/or an evasion, which is probably where this should be discussed. - Jmabel | Talk 07:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- As for human rights abuses under occupation please see
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict#February 2007
- Here is the relevant info copied from there:
- Accusations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Allegations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Some editors and admins improperly deleted this page, and blocked all attempts to restore the page, and to rename the page. See Talk:Allegations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. It has been suggested that the info in the article that this talk page refers to could be merged with Al-Aqsa Intifada. See this AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Accusations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. The closing admin for that AFD said the material should be kept. Currently the article redirects to Al-Aqsa Intifada. The article can no longer be found at its original location except in some of the page revisions such as this one. The original page is also found here: User:Timeshifter/Al-Aqsa Intifada Archive. Old page?. In that location the embedded links have been converted to footnote links. That way the relevant material can be more easily moved to other wikipedia pages. There is probably too much material to move all of it to existing pages, because no page focuses only on the topic of human rights under Israeli occupation. One suggestion has been to put the info in a completely new article with a new title. This title could not be used: "Human rights in the Palestinian territories". It currently redirects to Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority. That page does not cover human rights violations by Israeli occupation. There are other possibilities for titles: "Human rights under Israeli occupation," or "Human rights in Israeli-controlled territories" or "Alleged human rights violations in Israeli-controlled territories" or something else. There are parallels in article names such as Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq and Human rights in Saddam's Iraq. This may help: Wikipedia:Naming conflict. See also: Portal:Human rights and Category:Human rights for ideas. Over time WP:NPOV help is needed to move the lengthy info. You can help. It may be possible to move some of the info to here: Human rights in Israel#Human rights record in Occupied territories. Maybe a "further information" link from it could link to a spinout article titled "Israel's human rights record in the occupied territories." --Timeshifter 03:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- So, it seems that it will take some dedication and WikiProject teamwork to get WP:NPOV info into wikipedia in articles focused specifically on those topics. --Timeshifter 10:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
There is the article Israeli-occupied territories. Its scope includes the Golan Heights as well as the Palestinian Territories. Sanguinalis 13:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link to that article. I think that article needs to be vastly expanded, and/or WP:SPINOUT articles created, to include more info on the things mentioned by Ashley Y (especially the hardships experienced by Palestinians): "such things as security arrangements, the barrier, checkpoints, travel restrictions, settlements, citizenship, roads, water rights and so on." Also, the human rights abuses that are alleged in the info I linked to higher up.
- Occupation of the Palestinian territories redirects to Palestinian territories. I can find no wikipedia page focussed on the Israeli-imposed hardships, or on the alleged Israeli human rights abuses, in the Palestinian territories. Looking at the edit history of Israeli-occupied territories is enlightening.
- The main little bit of focussed info on the topic is at
- Human rights in Israel#Israel's record: human rights in the occupied territories.
- I think it is an obvious systemic bias to put that info there. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias. The Palestinian territories are NOT in Israel. Read the article Palestinian territories. Israel occupies the Palestinian territories, at least according to the UN and most of the world. So why does wikipedia treat it differently at times? Why is the main discussion of alleged Israeli human rights abuses buried in a non-obvious location? It would take a determined reader to find it. The average wikipedia reader may not find it.
- Please see also:
- Wikipedia:Notice board for Palestine-related topics#October 2007 --Timeshifter 14:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with all of the above. Sanguinalis 02:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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Israeli Foreign Ministry's organized campaign on Wikipedia
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Related info and discussion:
- Template:Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement.
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Current Article Issues/Archive. Outside organizing of editing.
Please see:
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive278#Organised POV-pushing campaign on the way?
- WikiEN-l. Conflict of Interest and lobbyists for foreign governments.
- Hasbara Fellowships Newsletter for May 31, 2007. Section titled "Wikipedia.org"
- About Hasbara Fellowships - IsraelActivism.com
Related administrator arbitration, actions, incidents, etc.:
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Statement re Wikilobby campaign
More recent actions by the Israeli government
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- Students offered grants if they tweet pro-Israeli propaganda. By Ben Lynfield, The Independent, 13 August 2013. "In a campaign to improve its image abroad, the Israeli government plans to provide scholarships to hundreds of students at its seven universities in exchange for their making pro-Israel Facebook posts and tweets to foreign audiences. The students making the posts will not reveal online that they are funded by the Israeli government."
DMI Comparison between Anonymous Palestinian and Israeli Wikipedia Edits
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Using WikiScanner the Digital Methods Initiative (DMI) site has an analysis called:
Israeli anonymous edits outnumbered Palestinian anonymous edits several times over.
Isarig and his sockpuppets banned from editing anything relating to Arabs and Israel.
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Note: It looks like Isarig has exercised his right-to-vanish since this section was first written. See this deletion log and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#User:Isarig is no longer with us. See also the "right-to-vanish" reason mentioned here. He came back later as the banned user User:NoCal100. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NoCal100/Archive. Isarig's past contributions can now be found here:
- Former user 2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Isarig was almost permanently banned from wikipedia because of his use of sockpuppets in order to favor the ultranationalist Israeli POV in many articles. I call this the "Israel can do no wrong" POV.
December 20, 2007 diff. Avi wrote (emphasis added): "Just for reference, I talk with Fayssal before he performed the block, and I agree with his action. Isarig, you have to demonstrate the ability to consistently edit articles completely separate from anything relating to Arabs and Israel, in a neutral, sock-free fashion, for a significant length of time, before the ban is lifted. Continued violation of the terms of your probation may result in ban extension or permanence."
August 30, 2007 topic ban placed on User:Isarig for at least 6 months, with possible extensions. See:
- Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard/Archive12#Isarig
- Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard/Archive12#Consensus.3F
- Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard/Archive12#Resolution
- Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard/Archive13#User:Isarig
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive309#Isarig violating terms of mentorship.
Sockpuppets confirmed August 24, 2007. See:
Confirmed. The following users are the same:
- Isarig (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Clintonesque (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Teens! (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
These may not be all the Isarig sockpuppets. I don't believe Isarig should be allowed to edit any part of wikipedia until he reveals all his sockpuppets. Some "Truth and reconciliation commissions" require public confession of all crimes before any leniency is allowed.
I believe the topic ban should be extended to at least a year. Other people have gotten a complete ban from editing all topics for a year for smaller infractions of the rules.
Related Portals, WikiProjects, Notice boards
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- Category:WikiProject Middle East
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Middle Eastern military history task force
- Portal:Middle East
- Portal:Israel
- Portal:Palestine
- Portal:Palestine/Opentask
- Category:WikiProject Israel
- Category:WikiProject Palestine
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel
- Wikipedia:Notice board for Israel-related topics
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine
- Wikipedia:Notice board for Palestine-related topics
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Palestine
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Middle East
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab world
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Quoting method via template
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Stole this from User:Jts1882:
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To format a quote so that it appears in green text, useful for quoting something in a discussion:
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The collapsible table template is useful too.
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