Template talk:Carrier First Nations

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There's a problem with the practice of listing the tribal councils, namely that the tribal councils may include bands that are not Carrier. Carrier-Chilcotin Tribal Council includes one band, Toosey, that is not Carrier. Carrier-Sekani Tribal Council currently contains only Carrier bands but formerly included some Sekani bands. Bill (talk) 03:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The idea was to include any tribal council that included Carrier bands; perhaps the idea of "ethnic-based templates" is bad to start with; the Douglas/Xa'xtsa Band is part of the In-SHUCK-ch, part of the Lower Stl'atl'imx Tribal Council, and part of one of the Sto:lo tribal councils, for instance; the Shuswap Indian Band \is in both the Ktunaxa-Kinbasket and Shuswap Nation Tribal Councils; the Upper Similkameen Band is, I think, in both the Okanagan Nation Alliance and in the Nicola Tribal Association, the Pavilion Band is in both the Shuswap and Lillooet TCs.....most of the southern ones "sort themselves out" by overlaps like that, but if the name of the template is what the issue may boil down to would "Central and Northern Interior" First Nations/Tribal Councils suffice as a template title instead, so as to bridge all the multi-"ethnic" governmental situations...but that title would also imply the Tshilhqot'in and Northern Shuswap Tribal Councils also; and currently the Heiltsuk/Nuxalk/Oweekeno TC doesn't have a template; I've wondered about simply revising the {{Kwakwaka'wakw governments}} one to {{Band governments of the Central Coast}} ("of British Columbia" in a longer version of the title)....maybe regional templates are a safer way to go, do you think, rather than ethno-based ones (esp. as on the North Coast there is no current Tsimshian TC and there are only two Haida bands, forming the one "national government"...)?? The breakdown by ethno group has political overtones lately, what with the provincial government's intent of creating so many regional governments in its treaty ambitions, without actual relevance to the situation "on the ground", such as Toosey being in the Carrier-Chilcotin TC rather than in the Tsilhqot'in Nat'l Government, or stand-alones like High Bar and Alkali Lake and Sts'Ailes/Chehalis etc....your recommendations on the Central/Northern Interior are much-needed....in all kinds of ways. I'm slowly retreating from wikipedia in coming months, got real life to get on with; all the FN articles/templates/categories were an attempt to bring cohesion to the wikistructure of articles/indexing of BC peoples etc; many are still redlinked and in many cases the necessary separate "ethno" articles need doing, and/or expanding...I'm also uncertain in some cases if there are, for example, non-native residents or a non-native community at Moricetown, or if links like Moricetown 1, meaning Moricetown IR No. 1 but in wiki-terminology borrowed from StatsCan (IMO inappropriate because "not most common usage"), should be simply directed at Moricetown, British Columbia....if there's a separate non-IR community it warrants its own article, as in the case of Alkali Lake, British Columbia. In some national-level articles links to IRs often go to placenames or band governments, links to band governments sometime go to placenames etc but ideally there's a distinction between an IR article and a government article, and also from the adjoining/situational town article.....is McLeod Lake, for instance, only an indigenous/IR community or is it also a non-IR community? Skookum1 (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)