Template talk:Campaignbox Western Allied invasion of Germany

Template not needed

This campaign box is a very bad idea in my opinion. It pulls together disparate articles that have little in common with each other and are not even under the same chain of command.

21st Army Group: Operation Blackcock
6th Army Group: Colmar Pocket
RAF, USAAF Bombing of Dresden in World War II -- not a campaign but a raid
21st Army group Operation Veritable
21st Army grop Operation Grenade -
RAF Bombing of Würzburg in World War II raid
21st Army Group Operation Plunder
12th Army Group Ruhr Pocket
Operation Amherst not sure.

The RAF bombings are covered by the Footnote template: Template:RAF WWII Strategic Bombing. Putting such a template top right had corner of the Western Front (WWII) article will have a Allied bias to the article unless a similar template is drawn up for the Germans. --Philip Baird Shearer 11:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why they have to be under the same chain of command, they all had the same ultimate objectives. Would you also argue that all actions taken during Overlord or the Italian Campaign, or in North Africa (all of which had multiple command chains) should not be linked? Right now it's taking basically the dates of the American Central European and Rhineland campaigns and putting them into a campaign, similar to the one we have for the Siegfried Line. And we wouldn't put it in the top corner of Western Front, this campaign box is only for post-Battle of the Bulge - VE Day; one of our four phases of the Western European Campaign. Oberiko 11:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What has the strategic bombing offensive got to do with the land offensive or the land offensives to do with the strategic bombing offensive ? Dresden was a bombing mission flown to support the Eastern Front not the Western Front.--Philip Baird Shearer 13:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, what if we take out the bombing then? Oberiko 15:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still no (in my view). Templates are usefull to show existing relations in a structured way. A template is hence a tool to show existing relations, not the means to create new ones. Arnoutf 17:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that this template was created because before there wasn't a campaignbox that covered this time period of the war on the western front. If this box isn't the correct way to go about it, then I think there should be some suggestions as to what should replace it, rather than just saying that it's wrong. Cla68 20:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it means the invasion of Germany by the Western Allies the it should say so. The Soviets were also fighting in Central Europe, or are Berlin, Prague, Budapest, and eastern Austria in eastern Europe? --Philip Baird Shearer 18:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've move it to Template:Western Allied invasion of Germany should have done it years ago! -- PBS (talk) 10:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]