Template:Did you know nominations/St Andrew's Church, Crosby Garrett

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The result was: rejected by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:20, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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... the 11th century church, St Andrew's Church (pictured), from Crosby Garrett, England?

ALT1:... that St Andrew's Church (pictured), the 11th century church, was rebuilt several times and is still intact in Crosby Garrett, England?
Reviewed: Max Charles
Comment: Not a self-nom.

Created/expanded by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 16:26, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Is there a word or two missing from the hook? Maile66 (talk) 20:27, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Care to elaborate? --George Ho (talk) 20:29, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

You're missing a verb in hook 1. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:33, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I checked the rules in WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG: there is no such rule about nouns and verbs, unless I'm missing something. Also, "that" doesn't have to be used. --George Ho (talk) 08:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I would hope that basic grammar doesn't need to be written in DYKSG. Let me put it to you this way: hook 1 (not ALT1, but hook 1) is a sentence fragment and does not have a single verb; it is thus ungrammatical. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

"Did know" is a verb; that counts, right? "Did you know that..." is often used, but that's double use of a verb, isn't it? "Did you know the 11th century..." and stuff isn't a sentence fragment, is it? --George Ho (talk) 02:06, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

George, the initial hook amounts to a yes or no question. Did I know the church from Crosby Garrett? No, I didn't. What about it? None of us understand what it is you're trying to ask, which is a sure sign that there's something badly wrong with the hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:05, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm just implicitly asking the existence of the church. How is it not that interesting? --George Ho (talk) 03:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

That would be "did you know of", which is not hooky at all. I consider it on par with "Did you know Indonesia is a country?" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

As creator, I have to confess that I do not undersand the hook, and ALT1 is unremarkable — this applies to most medieval churches still in existence. But thanks for the nomination; I failed to find a sufficiently interesting hook. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:09, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- So what else is an interesting alternative? Therefore, you or I can add it as ALT2. --George Ho (talk) 08:23, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes there is no interesting alternative. I've written articles I haven't nominated because there wasn't anything there to adequately hook the reader. Absent some new fact, this may be an article that doesn't have that unusual fact or juxtaposition to make a DYK feasible. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:05, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Issues unresolved. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Assuming visitcumbria.com can be taken as a reliable source, Thw (sic) windows are interesting in that they contain stained glass shields commemorating people who had connections with the Church, and there are pictures too, one of which could be included under NFCC (but not for DYK). What do people think? -- Trevj (talk) 16:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, visitcumbria.com is a website run by a single person with unknown sourcing and editorial standards: self-published, clearly. As such, not a reliable source, so I'm afraid it can't be cited. Restoring Crisco's "X". BlueMoonset (talk) 18:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)