Template:Did you know nominations/Serlo (abbot of Cirencester)

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 11:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Serlo (abbot of Cirencester)

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• ... that although Serlo (d. c. 1148) was the first abbot of Cirencester Abbey, he also had a son named Bartholomew?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Exaltation of the Flower
• Comment: Other suggestions for hooks welcome

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nominated at 13:26, 31 March 2015 (UTC).

• @Ealdgyth: I don't get the connection between the two parts of the hook. Perhaps you could write something hooky about his relationship with Roger of Salisbury? Yoninah (talk) 22:36, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

• Monks, which is what an abbot is, take vows of celibacy. Generally abbots don't have children. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oh. Well, if I don't get it, others probably won't, either. Yoninah (talk) 22:58, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

• Rules or no rules, lots of priests had children historically, not to mention you can become a priest e.g. after becoming a widower. The hook reinforces the misconception that priests have historically been universally celibate, which just isn't so. EEng (talk) 05:46, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

• Monk. Monk. Monk. They generally take their vows a lot more seriously, even in the middle ages. And child oblates were common in the time period, so an abbot having a child IS unusual, even in the middle ages. But ... if someone has a better hook, I'm open to it. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:06, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. The pickings are a bit thin, but maybe this could be used next April 1?

ALT1 ... that a canon was by a blacksmith Sired?

EEng (talk) 12:54, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

• @Ealdgyth: how about a shorter version of your original? If people get, they get it:
• ALT2: ... that Serlo (d. c. 1148), the first abbot of Cirencester Abbey, had a son named Bartholomew? Yoninah (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• I'm fine with that. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you. Here is a full review: New enough, long enough, adequately referenced, neutrally written. AGF on all offline sources. Offline hook ref is AGF and cited inline. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:28, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

• I'd prefer it without the date. Or, if you must have a date, maybe "Serlo, appointed the first abbot of Cirencester Abbey in 1131, ...".
  Alternatively, keeping in mind that the guidelines say that when it comes to hooks, shorter is better, how about ALT3? (If used, an additional inline ref would have to be added after the fact until after the hook runs.)
  ALT3: ... that Sired sired Serlo? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:35, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

• Of course, I'd prefer that. @Ealdgyth:? Yoninah (talk) 21:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

What, ALT1 was too subtle? EEng (talk) 22:37, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I really think a lot of the "gimmicky" DYK hooks are just plain gimmicky, but I gave up fighting that fight a while back. I'm okay with the newly proposed hook. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you. Offline hook ref AGF and cited inline. ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:11, 7 April 2015 (UTC)