Template:Did you know nominations/Richard Nixon's visit to the Lincoln Memorial
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:24, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
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Richard Nixon's visit to the Lincoln Memorial
- ... that Richard Nixon spent two hours talking to student protestors at the Lincoln Memorial? Source: "on May 9, 1970, in the hours just before dawn, when a crowd of college students and other youthful protesters, sitting sleepily on the Memorial steps after a day of gathering to protest the Vietnam conflict...For the next two hours or so RN talked to the young people around him..." (Richard Nixon Foundation - President Nixon at the Lincoln Memorial)
- Comment: So many great hooks here, the valet, corned beef hash, the signed bible, Rachmaninoff, but I've kept it simple.
Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC).
- Comment: Appears the article may be a copyright violation from a (cited) article in The Atlantic. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/i-am-not-a-kook-richard-nixons-bizarre-visit-to-the-lincoln-memorial/248443/ . Much of the Wikipedia article is extended quotes from the magazine. David notMD (talk) 01:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- But the quotes are by Nixon himself, quoted in The Atlantic, and clearly marked as such in the article. I shall reduce the quotes though. No Swan So Fine (talk) 08:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Comment:As written, also quotes from Dickerson, McNichol and Haldeman, all from the magazine article. Also, the exchange with Dickerson and her later comment on it had nothing to do with the visit. David notMD (talk) 05:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, I've trimmed those quotes. No Swan So Fine (talk) 08:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
The copyright violation concerns will need to be addressed before the nomination can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Full review needed now that the quoting has been reduced, though that review should check to be sure the level is appropriate and also that the paraphrasing is not too close. (I just made some edits to deal with some overly close paraphrasing of quotes.) Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:58, 16 November 2019 (UTC)- @No Swan So Fine: Earwig flags the heavy quoting. I do like this article and support it going forward. --evrik (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Article is new/long enough, sources are reliable, QPQ has been done, article is neutral and MOS compliant, there are no copyright violations. However, I think we need a stronger hook. What's so interesting about the simple statement that Nixon talked to student protesters? I think it would be better to mention his decision to expand the Vietnam war into Cambodia, the deaths of students in the Kent State shootings, or the reception of his speech somewhere in there. Please ping me when alternate hooks are suggested so I can review. MX (✉ • ✎) 18:41, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: what do you think? --evrik (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Evrik: What's there to ask? The hook is not interesting to a broader audience and is not hooky. Reads like a plain fact. "Nixon spoke to student protesters for two hours". So what? What was the impact of it? Why was it notable? MX (✉ • ✎) 19:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Adding in that this was the two hours before dawn and that the students were protesting the Vietnam War results in something like this:
- ALT1: ... that on May 9, 1970, Richard Nixon spent the two hours before dawn at the Lincoln Memorial talking to students protesting the Vietnam War?
- MX, does this address your hook issues? (There could certainly be some adjustment of how much of the text is in the bold link; I've been having trouble deciding what's best.) BlueMoonset (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
