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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

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Nicolas Mahler

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Nicolas Mahler in 2014
Nicolas Mahler in 2014
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: --I guess the image should be cropped to more face, even if his characters have no eyes, ears and mouth. Do you want that for a hook? The article spent a day in Draft space, just to complete the story.

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:19, 13 September 2021 (UTC).

  • Comment: The jury statement was made originally for the Max & Moritz Prize 2006. Preis der Literaturhäuser: "... so hieß es in der Begründung für den Max und Moritz-Preis 2006" Source: [1] Grimes2 (talk) 13:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
    Thanks for the clarification, I'd prefer to drop the whole clause anyway, but how then to say it's the translation of a quote? Better hook ideas welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
I think, ALT0 is good with an replacement of the prize (+ other source in article). Grimes2 (talk) 13:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT0a ... that cartoonist Nicolas Mahler (pictured) adapted novels such as The Man Without Qualities into graphic novels, "with minimalist drawings and maximal humour" according to a jury? Grimes2 (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
    Thank you for the corrections and the ALT, and I took the link to the jury to the original without writing another ALT. I am less happy with two aspects of ALT0. Saying "cartoonist" is sort of redundant to the graphic novels, and might turn away readers who don't want to read about cartoonists, - boxing too early. Also, for those who know a bit I thought Vienna and the novel make good company, and for others, Vienna gives them a place where to put him (which I prefer to saying "Austrian"). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphic novel is a less known term, cartoonist is better. We don't want to lead the reader on the wrong track. Want to stress, that "marginal" is not the correct quotation, it is "maximal". This was cited by the Preis der Literaturhäuser source wrongly. Grimes2 (talk) 11:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
O dear, perhaps we better think of a hook without the problematic quote?
ALT1: ... that cartoonist Nicolas Mahler from Vienna (pictured) adapted novels such as Musil's The Man Without Qualities into graphic novels? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that "Nicolas Mahler's figures have no eyes, no ears, no mouths – but they undoubtedly have character" according to a comic award jury? Grimes2 (talk) 11:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    Where would pictured go? Now I adopted your "caartoonist" and you have it in the end, - figures could be sculptures ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT2a ... that cartoonist "Nicolas Mahler's figures have no eyes, no ears, no mouths – but they undoubtedly have character" according to a comic award jury? Grimes2 (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    Can't place "pictured" in quote. That's a problem. The hook can be used only without picture. Maybe the better translation is instead "figures" "characters"? Grimes2 (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
    ALT2b ... that a comic award jury wrote about the characters of Nicolas Mahler (pictured) that they "have no eyes, no ears, no mouths – but they undoubtedly have character"?
    "with "character" instead of figure, it becomes a pun. I had pondered that hook but found that the graphic novels adapted from literature were more unique to Mahler. The jury statement would have worked for Martin Perscheid just the same, but the quote about him was much more pungent, remember?
I like ALT2b. Grimes2 (talk) 13:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ: No - Not done
Overall: AGF on german citation for hook. Approving ALT2b—if the hook is promoted without an image, ALT2 is also approved. Holding approval awaiting a QPQ. Nice work! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Louisville National Medical College, leekycauldron --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 16:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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