Talk:West Adams, Los Angeles

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University Park isn't located in West Adams using traditional boundaries

To claim that USC is in West Adams is misleading and inconsistent with local traditon. If you read these articles [1] [2], it becomes pretty clear that West Adams is considered to be the neighborhood north of USC. The latter article, from the New York Times, identifies Jefferson Blvd as West Adams' southern boundary, which would place USC outside of West Adams. I appreciate that a USC supporter would want the school to be affiliated with West Adams, but, as someone who has lived here for almost 30 years, it appears to be a seriously doubtful claim. Until someone can come up with a good source to refute this, I am going to remove West Adams as University Park's (and USC's) district affiliation.--Truthiness 17:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your point is valid. However, even if USC isn't actually located in West Adams, what USC does has a huge effect on West Adams (most of USC related expansion is slated for the areas north of campus, owing to Exposition Park's location to the south), and while we should include that USC is technically outside of the boundaries of West Adams, we should discuss how the university has a major effect on the district, from education (the Joint Educational Project) to construction and real estate values to other things. Arspickles17 08:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)Arspickles17[reply]

Thanks for posting. I don't think the changes I've made neglect USC's proximity or importance to the neighborhood. I just think that it is disingenuous for someone to claim that USC is in West Adams. I suspect that the vast majority of locals would disagree with such a claim. I appreciate that a lot of students who go to USC live and shop in West Adams, but that doesn't mean that the campus' location has changed. The links to USC's encyclopedia entry and official site remain on the West Adams page. I wouldn't be opposed to a paragraph about the importance of USC students and staff to the West Adams neighborhood, if that would make for a good compromise.--Truthiness 01:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I love this neighborhood. Can somebody please post some pictures of the grand homes? The only picture is of a Mexican restuarant, which certainly doesn't do justice to this great African-American historic nieghborhood.

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Van Nuys, Los Angeles, California which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 19:45, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This had to do with naming of neighborhoods like Sunland, Los Angeles, and the discussion has now been closed. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Landmarks

Why is the listing for Felix Chevrolet divided into two separate links that direct to Felix the Cat and Chevrolet cars? 184.98.141.33 (talk) 16:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's because some editor decided that would be helpful to the reader. Maybe it isn't. If you disagree, you could just delete the brackets and those articles won't be linked any more. But explain why you are unlinking in the Edit Summary. GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:18, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced information

There has been a tag seeking sources for all this information since 2008. Please, can we have the citations in place by June 12, 2013, lest the info be challenged and removed? Thank you. GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are two West Adamses

This article mixes up Historic West Adams with West Adams as defined by the LA Times. They are two completely different neighborhoods, not even adjacent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coffeebrains (talk • contribs) 17:52, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The demographics information is for Adams-Normandie, not West Adams

The demographics information from Mapping LA is for Adams-Normandie, not West Adams 76.50.182.11 (talk) 16:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

District or Neighborhood?

Mapping LA, widely accepted as a reliable source for local LA geography, refers to West Adams as a neighborhood:

https://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/neighborhood/west-adams/

Also, the source cited for its identity as a district doesn't seem to me to support the claim. Finally, I'm not aware of any official City of LA distinction between neighborhoods and districts. The City does designate historic districts and business improvement districts, but not just plain unqualified districts. Central and Adams (talk) 14:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely a neighborhood. District is a technical term that is appropriate in certain situations even within a neighborhood article when it is critical for understanding such as establishment of an historic district. The main subject of the article typically remains a neighborhood though. Cheers, 〜 Adflatuss • talk 16:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colloquially speaking, you're right that it's a neighborhood. But that colloquial term doesn't suffice for encyclopediac purposes here especially considering how Wikipedia is not a reliable source for resolving issues of an identity whether an area is formally construed as a neighborhood versus district, yet the link to neighborhood article creates a false impression of West Adams' formal identity. An easy fix is to undo the district link in the lead and revert to neighborhood sans the link or just call it an area, which is how the City of Los Angeles Transportation Committee refers to West Adams. Kent Dominic·(talk) 16:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do this simple test: Is a neighborhood a larger area that has smaller & specific districts, or is a district a larger area that has smaller & specific neighborhoods? If the former, the article's notion and verbiage that there are neighborhoods in the West Adams neighborhood must be edited accordingly. If the latter, the article's lede is technically correct as is, notwithstanding how West Adams has never been formmally accorded status as a district.

For cross-linguistic reference, Seoul has 25 formally recognized districts or 구 (transliterated as "gu") which in turn have smaller & specific formally designated neighborhoods or 동네 (translitered as "dong").

The slippery slope: Manhattan's Garment District is a neighborhood but it's colloquially called a district by locals & non-locals alike. Milwaukee has an officially designated neighborhood called The Historic Third Ward despite how it's colloquially known as The warehouse district.

Go figure. Kent Dominic·(talk) 17:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That list of neighborhoods putatively contained within West Adams is just wrong. Those are neighborhoods too, on a par with West Adams and not sub-areas of it. You can see that they're also neighborhoods by looking at the Mapping LA pages for Central City and South LA. Central and Adams (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had created but negelected to post a West Adams locale topic on this talk page. My comment on the topic was soleley that "This article plays fast and loose with the terms neighborhood and district." I can't independently cite any authoritative source on West Adams' ID as a neighborhod versus district beyond what I sourced per footnote #3 (which clearly indicates "Council District 10" but also equivocates with "Neighborhood Council" verbiage) in the article.

My point being that the two terms aren't equivalent, yet the article neglects to make consistent distinctions in reference to West Adams qua neighborhood in contrast to West Adams qua district. I'm approaching it as a matter of set theory analytics: district is a hypernym that contains neigborhood as a hyponym, not vice versa. So, if West Adams is ID'd as a neighborhood, it can contain neither (1) districts nor (2) other neighborhoods as purported in the article's Neighborhoods section, which has a Neighborhoods in the district subheading as well as an Areas west of the district.

Although West Adams is locally construed to be a neighborhood in the colloquial sense, the article here can't take such license when recklessly vacillating between neighborhood in the lede and district elsewhere, e.g.:

"It was once the wealthiest district..."
'The Times announced that the Monarch Hotel was to be built in the "fashionable residence district" of West Adams.'
'Architects Sumner Hunt and S.R. Burns designed a building of "attractive Spanish design" that would be a "distinctive structure for the West Adams district"'.
'Silent screen star Ramon Novarro purchased a home in "the exclusive West Adams district."'
'The vice squad raided a "luxurious fourteen rooom mansion in the exclusive West Adams district."'
'Married men with families who lived in the district and were registered voters would be paid $2 a day."'
Etc.

Kent Dominic·(talk) 16:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Usage of "district" vs "neighborhood" is largely based on the style of writer. But if you look at the local West Adams organizations, there is an overwhelming preference for neighborhood:

West Adams Heritage - "West Adams is one of the oldest neighborhoods in Los Angeles."
West Adams Neighborhood Council - right in the name
West Adams Neighborhood Association - right in the name
West Adams Business Improvement District - "West Adams is a vibrant neighborhood in Central Los Angeles experiencing an influx of new development and adaptive reuse..."'

Not to mention there are plenty of publications, both local and not, that refer to West Adams as a neighborhood:

Considering neighborhood is the standardized term used across LA articles, it should and must be used here as well. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 18:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you not see the post above where numerouse sources refer to West Adams as a district? I'm not staunchly insisting that the lede include district over neighborhood, only that the article should be consistent where an editor, rather than a cited source, characterizes West Adams as one versus the other. Kent Dominic·(talk) 18:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources you cite for "district" are uniformly either old or quoting an old source. The word "district" used to be used interchangeably with "neighborhood" as a ritzier substitute, but this is outdated. The LA Times Mapping LA Project refers to it as a neighborhood, and this is authoritative. Central and Adams (talk) 18:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]