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Category?

What do you think about a Weird West category as a sub category of western, science-fiction genres and horror amongst others? (Emperor 06:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Removed tags

I've removed the tags as I've added references and information to address the points. If there is anything else that needs nailing down then drop a note in here.

One thing I'd like to flag. I redid the opening sentence and removed the mention that it was a film term. This was changed from "fiction" with little justification [1] - while the earliest examples might be films the term does appear to come rom fiction. While it is difficult term to pin down (as it is an alliterative play on Wild West I suspect it has been doing the rounds by word of mouth) it seems to have first appeared from fiction and Weird Western Tales seems to be the earliest example. I'd guess the term became really popular thanks to Deadlands who hammer the term Weird West in all their output (search Amazon for "Weird West" and you get a dozen or so of their novel spin-offs) and it is possible that definitive answer might lie in the introductions to For a Few Dead Guys More [2] (although the general introduction is in all three anthologies that volume contains a forward by Joe R. Lansdale). So if anyone has that can they have a look through and see what they can come up with? I am tryng to get hold of a copy but it'd be handy if this could be nailed down in the meantime. (Emperor 14:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Cowboy Bebop?

No joke, Bravestarr would quite more apropriately depict a "weird west/sci-fi" combo --81.190.87.20 20:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tex Arcana?

Should Tex Arcana be listed on this page as an example of "Weird West". --User:130.215.29.46 Wed Dec 19 18:25:08 UTC 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 18:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think we'd need more to go on to assess your concerns - this from the article pretty much ticks the boxes: "the series was conceived as an adult-oriented parody of horror and Old West genres, combining standard vampire, werewolf (or, in this case, "werecoyote"), and goblin characters with classic Western themes." If there are problems then we'd need a few more details on why you think it isn't. (Emperor (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Final Fantasy VI

Eventhough it's most often labeled as a 'steampunk'-game, I wonder if it would also fit the Weird West genre. The game isn't set in a specific Terran setting, so there's no such thing as Britain or America (Britain being a main location for steampunk) and the feel and look of the game have a very wasteland'ish image, with deserts, lone travellers and small settlements. Also, multiple scores in the soundtrack are typical Spaghetti Western-themes (Shadow's Theme, Terra's Theme) and saloon rock (Johnny C Bad). The characters of Shadow and Setzer are also arch-typical western characters; the Man with no Name, and the Gambler respectively. Cyanid (talk) 10:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't really for this entry to prove it is and FF VI doesn't even mention any "western" feel to the game. Until these angles are addressed in the main article I can't see any justification for adding it in here because at the moment it is based on your opinion but if it isn't significant to warrant a mention on the article it isn't enough for a mention here. (Emperor (talk) 13:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Science fiction western

The examples in the science fiction western article are basically the same as those here. Does anyone use this term? Should the articles be merged, with a section redirect? Wierd west seems the more notable term, and is more inclusive.Yobmod (talk) 14:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is that a science fiction is a subset of the Weird West tales. Personally I think part of the core of the Weird West is the horror/supernatural angle but it is a broad enough church to also include things like sci-fi westerns, however, merging that in here would lose the distinction of that genre and personally I'd rather leave it where it is (like zombie movies are a subset of horror movies). (Emperor (talk) 01:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Crimson Skies?

It's set in an alternate-earth, post Great Depression. Why is it listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.82.252 (talk) 07:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost riders in the sky

Is is quite clearly in this genre, and perhaps one of the oldest examples in the music category. Can someone please add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.165.88 (talk) 00:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Original research and indiscriminate lists

The article is beset by problems because it is almost entirely WP:OR and contains excessive lists which have been created indiscriminately in breach of WP:IINFO. This is why it is currently tagged with several maintenance banners and inline templates.

One point that must be made is that Weird West is not by itself a recognised subgenre. The main source (BFI) calls it a term. As such, it is used for the three recognised subgenres (FW, HW, SFW) and their variants such as Space Western. The article needs to be rewritten, as the lead has already been, using verifiable information and the number of examples need to be reduced to a prominent few such as are currently in the lead. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, the claim that "Weird West is not by itself a recognised subgenre" is debatable, verging on WP:OR, since you're holding it to a different standard than FW, HW, and SFW (none of which have sources). But at the end of the day, I don't care. Carry on. Dan Bloch (talk) 17:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All content has been verified or, if still dubious, removed. The examples have been culled as requested by the Example Farm banner and the remainder have been rationalised and sourced. Kim Newman is one source for FW, HW and SFW as genres although he uses the perhaps incorrect term cross-genre. I agree that hybrid genre is more suitable and it is compatible with Newman's reasoning. We must insist on WP:V and WP:RS for all future additions. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]