Talk:Wayne Thiebaud

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hes awesome

he is an amazing painter because he draws sweets! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.101.56 (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Well done the editor who supplied the title color swathe in the infobox!

It's a treat to look at. Wish more would follow the example. Death to the cobalt blue default! Coat of Many Colours (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

See List of colors...Modernist (talk) 11:49, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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Removing bias from simple facts

Ewulp Citizenship and place of birth should always be accurate and nuetral. The Americas is 2 massive continents. Using America one country is simply imperial US bias and is considered annoying to offensive to everyone/every place in Central, and South America. Not sure how Canadians feel. There's nothing in your link for style and standardization on US v American. The simple fact is it is less accurate to use American and far less biased. The only point that could be made is that all of wikipedia needs to be updated on this, and I'd be willing to make that case. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

The link (MOS:OPENPARABIO) provides examples of opening lines in which William Alexander Spinks Jr. and Cesar Estrada Chavez are described as "American", which demonstrates that this is considered proper WP form. It is the usual adjective for US citizens, and Wikipedia follows sources and avoids bizarre usage. This ngram gives an idea of just how unusual it is for anybody to be described as a "US artist".Ewulp (talk) 23:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Certainly popularity isn't the best way to decide anything! It (US) remains more correct and less offensive and annoying to the 625 million people living in Latin America. The propriety you speak of is emanating from the US. And while you feel US is awkward in English, the correct equivalent in Spanish is United Stateser. I don't want to propose entirely new words, so perhaps a compromise could be to leave nationality as US? Further, the American already redirects to United States there, further suggesting the difference between accuracy and the vulgarity! Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

Many things in Wikipedia are decided by determining what is most common in reliable sources. "American" is the demonym for a person from the US and is so commonly understood as such by English-speaking people everywhere that the alternative you propose sounds disturbingly wrong—not much better than "United Stateser". Wikipedia isn't a platform for reform of the English language; our guidelines and policies advise using the language that our sources use (e.g., WP:PLACE says to "avoid arguments about what a place ought to be called, instead asking the less contentious question, what it is called"). The use of "American" has been discussed repeatedly at Talk:American. An interesting comment there [1] from Canadian editor Prof.rick: "The origin of the problem rests in the naming of a nation thru the borrowing of the name of its continent and hemisphere ... we sometimes smile, or even pity the people of the United States because they don't otherwise have a name by which to refer to themselves! (United Stations?)" Ewulp (talk) 01:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I think I already acknowledged all of that. I'll take it to the discussion as the term is considered politically incorrect at the least and offensive at worst. My point on nationality in the infobox? Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

Thinking about what you last wrote... Common understanding cannot be the basis for the use of a word in an encyclopedia. Clearly the word 'Paki' is understood throughout the UK and Ireland and is used commonly, yet it doesn't make it any less offensive for some/most/all Pakistanis. A less inflammatory example might be the use of Blacks v. African Americans. Blacks is also "so commonly understood as such by English-speaking people everywhere", yet undeniably African-American is considered a better choice in official documents or encyclopedic entries. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

Slurs and profanity are not the norm in scholarly sources, so they're deprecated here, but "American" is not a slur. Any dictionary will tell you that "Paki" is a derogatory term,[2] but Americans are fine with calling themselves Americans.[3] If African-American is preferred to Black in Wikipedia, it's because it's the preferred term in scholarly sources. Wikipedia is not the vanguard of language change; we follow our sources. I'm surprised that you approve of the term African-American, as it contains "American" – shouldn't you be arguing for "Afro-US"? Ewulp (talk) 02:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Lol African-American applies to all of the Americas. And the use of American by Americans is really a giant imperial blind spot because that usage is offensive to every one else in the two continents. The point... which you kind of got... is to do the right thing. You also continue to ignore my concrete improvement to this page, so I'll go ahead and do it since it's more accurate and less offensive. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

This decision should not be made just between the two of you. It appears to be norm in artist biography articles to use the term "American" to refer to nationality. See notable artists' pages such as John Trumbull (B-class), Thomas Eakins (B-class), Georgia O'Keeffe (B-class), Jasper Johns (B-class), Roy Lichtenstein, and Cy Twombly. I have yet to find an artist biography article that uses the term "US" to refer to the artist's nationality. The decision made here must be executed with consistency, and such a decision impacting so many articles cannot be a discussion between two users on a single artist's talk page. As of now, we must remain consistent among biography articles and thus keep the nationality as "American". GeneralPoxter (talk) 14:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Consistency that is inaccurate and casual. Have a look at your passport or Wayne's and what does it say? I have no problem with changing all of those. Hesperian Nguyen (talk)

Wayne Thiebaud has died

My father, who is an artist, heard from friends that Wayne has passed. This is just hearsay for now, so I won’t edit the article. Just wanted to put the information here Malnu (talk) 17:45, 26 December 2021 (UTC)