Talk:Walter Heuer (proofreader)

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Analyse der Herausforderungen

1. Gewerbeschule: Wie kann das Konzept der Gewerbeschulen ins Englische übertragen werden? Gibt es eine Entsprechung oder muss der Begriff erweitert/erklärt werden? Kann ein Link zu einer entsprechenden Wikipedia-Seite eingefügt werden?

This is only one example of the lexical challenges that this text represents. You will find close equivalents for some of the concepts, such as job titles and language-related terms, but the importance of orthographic reform will have to be explained. --Chasa73a (Diskussion) 15:20, 29. Nov. 2021 (CET)

I did indeed find a lot of lexical challenges. I’m afraid there is still some work to do.--Vyvyan77 (talk) 21:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

1. Der Artikel enthält viele Werktitel (Zeitungen und Bücher). Diese müssen eventuell durch Erweiterungen erklärt werden; falls vorhanden, muss zu englischsprachigen Wikipedia-Seiten zum Thema verlinkt werden. Bei den Buchtiteln muss nach einer eventuell vorhandenen englischen Ausgabe gesucht werden, andernfalls muss der Titel übersetzt oder der Inhalt erklärt werden. Dies gilt auch für das Kapitel „Schriften“.

Rather than simply adding information to explain what might be unfamiliar to an English audience, consider whether certain parts of the text are even relevant to the target audience. Some of the details might not be, so consider paraphrasing and writing in more general terms rather than trying to explain specifics. --Chasa73a (Diskussion) 15:20, 29. Nov. 2021 (CET)

I will consider this further. Richtiges Deutsch and Vademecum are very important today, I think they should be explained. Probably even more than I did in the first draft.--Vyvyan77 (talk) 21:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

1. Notability/Wirken: Eine Schwierigkeit wird darin bestehen, Heuers Bedeutung für die deutsche Rechtschreibung angemessen ins Englische zu übertragen und mit qualitativ hochwertigen Sekundärquellen zu belegen.

As mentioned above, the signficance of German orthographic reform will also need to be mentioned. The English Wikipedia articles on the Duden and the German orthographic reform of 1996 would probably be useful parallel texts.--Chasa73a (Diskussion) 15:20, 29. Nov. 2021 (CET)

I will research this further. It can be very well integrated into Heuer’s positions on aspects of the reform, so the text will get a more narrative structure.--Vyvyan77 (talk) 21:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

1. Wirken / Einfluss auf die deutsche Rechtschreibung: Für Englischsprachige müssen die genannten Rechtschreibregeln erläutert bzw. mit Beispielen (evtl. auch mit Wikipedia-Links) angereichert werden, um sie verständlich zu machen. Eventuell zieht dies eine geänderte Struktur (mit Zwischenüberschriften) zur besseren Übersichtlichkeit nach sich.

Good point. Again, think carefully about how much detail is actually helpful to an audience unfamiliar with the finer points of the German language. --Chasa73a (Diskussion) 15:20, 29. Nov. 2021 (CET)

Maybe I can even leave some points like Germanisation of loanwords, out?--Vyvyan77 (talk) 21:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

1. „nach kurzer, schwerer Krankheit“: Diese Formulierung entfällt nach den englischen Wikipedia-Richtlinien für Biografien.

Are there any other English Wikipedia conventions that need to be considered for this text? --Chasa73a (Diskussion) 15:20, 29. Nov. 2021 (CET)

I need to check further, but it’s a gigantic amount of information.--Vyvyan77 (talk) 21:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Revision

Hello Vyvyan77, I hope you are well. First of all, I would like to tell you that I found your article very interesting! I was able to learn more about a person who had quite a big influence on German grammar. Good choice! I made a few small corrections, hope that's okay for you. I noticed a few things while reading that I would like to address. First of all, I would recommend you read your article again, it could be that I didn't find all the hidden mistakes. You could also add some internal (or external) links. For example, in the case of the Luzerner Tagblatt, I think an external link would be appropriate, or in the case of the Druckerei Friedrich Reinhardt. You decide how you want to handle this. Maybe it will help you to think that the more links you add, the more you help someone else with their research. Also, I’ve deleted an external link because they don’t belong in the text. I'm going to mention a specific sentence that you should look at:

• He also taught professional German for typesetters at the Gewerbeschule (more or less equivalent to a trade school) in Bern, was course instructor for language training courses for assistants and supervised as Experte (expert) the final apprenticeship examinations.

I don’t want to overstep, but wouldn’t “technical German” be more appropriate as trade school is a school where people can get their degrees in specific fields? And wouldn’t “expert” be an examiner? This is a definition I found: “An examiner is a person who sets or marks an examination.” Not quite the same, but he still has a say when the people are graded. Also, if you want, you could write all the German words in italics or you use the quotation marks as you did in the last sentence of “Influence”. You would show that these words come from another language. Before submitting, don't forget to add the categories. Have a nice evening! --Sradasilva (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your comments. You made very helpful suggestions, thank you! Vyvyan77 (talk) 17:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)