Talk:Verkhovna Rada

Out of date

I've marked a section out of date, as it doesn't have the current electoral law. I'm told that there are no constituency members any more in the Ukrainian Parliament. Francis Irving 14:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Immunity

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It allows opposition leaders not only to avoid authorities pressure themselves, but also to protect their supporters by direct interference in arrests, searches etc. E.g., during the 2001 UBK campaign, the deputies were trying to prevent the mass groundless arrests of youth in Kyiv by breaking into militsiya precincts and vehicles.

I agree it's rather specific, but it does colourfully illustrate the rather extreme degree to which immunity applies. The image of parliamentary deputies participating in what would be considered mass hooliganism by some is just too precious to leave out. Perhaps it can be more concise, or move over to Politics of Ukraine? —Michael Z. 17:24, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)

What I meant is as follows.

From the legal point of view, it wasn't just an application of the immunity. PMs also have the right to enter any state agency, including militsiya precincts. It's better to organize these ideas under a subsection on the status of the deputy.

The passage gave an impression that the immunity is absolute. However, it is not. A deputy can be arrested if the parliament votes to do so (226+ votes).

Finally, and more importantly, the passage described actions of individual deputies, not the action of the parliament as a whole. So, I think it is perfectly fine for a history article or UBK article, but not in the article on the Rada as the legislative body of the government.

Sashazlv 22:31, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Current factional composition

Please, update the article. Sashazlv 11:47, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Таким образом, по состоянию на вторник, 18 января, численность 12-ти парламентских фракций и депутатских групп такова: "Наша Україна" - 101 депутат, КПУ - 59, "Регіони України" - 56, НАПУ - 32, СДПУ(о) - 29, "Єдина Україна" - 21, СПУ - 20, БЮТи - 19, ТУ-НДП - 18, "Союз" - 17, "Центр" - 14, "Демініціативи" - 14.

Внефракционными остаются 50 из 450 избранных народных депутатов.

Old composition

Seats by party/faction: (as of the autumn of 2004, may rapidly change)

Our Ukraine 102 Regions of Ukraine 67 Communist Party of Ukraine 59 Trudova Ukrayina - Industrialists and Entrepreneurs 42 Social Democratic Party of Ukraine (United) 36 People's Power 22 Socialist Party of Ukraine 20 Yuliya Tymoshenko Bloc 19 Democratic Initiatives 18 Agrarian Party 16 People's Democratic Party 14 People's Choice 14 independent and unaffiliated 21

Etymology

Verkhovna, an adjective of feminine gender, is a neologism of the second quarter of the 20th century. It was borrowed from Russian and means "supreme". However, few native speakers will now recognize its foreign origin.

Isn't verkh a normal Ukrainian word for 'top', and verkhovna the conventional construction for the feminine adjective: 'topmost'='supreme'? —Michael Z. 2006-01-29 20:17 Z

I heard many times from philologists that "verkhovna" is a very atypical adjective in Ukrainian. To be exact, "verkhovna" is not Ukrainian at all. Adjectives from "verkh" are: "verkhniy" and "verkhnya", like "Verkhniy Val" -- a central street in Kyiv. These adjectives don't have a simple superlative degree (we don't say -- "nayverkhnishyy"; compare -- pizniy - naypiznishyy). Even complex superlative, "naybilsh verkhniy", sounds strange. "Verkhovna" is supposed to be the superlative degree, but in Ukrainian suffix "-ovn" is never used to form superlatives. Proper word would be "nayvyshcha". Sashazlv 02:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the patient explanation; that makes sense when I read it. But I'm still thinking that there may be some other Old Slavic connection, related to the word verkhovyna—although that may have entered the language separately from this one, or maybe at the same time. —Michael Z. 2006-01-30 05:09 Z

I think that "verkhovyna" developed independently. First, its a dialect. Second and more important, it is "verkhoVYna". Vowel "Y" is under stress. Because of the stress, it is very unlikely that "Y" could fall out to form suffix "-ovn" in "verkhOVNa".

There is certainly a connection through stem "verkh", no question. Sashazlv 18:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking of the verkhovna, verkhovyna part; something like nizh/nozha, maybe. —Michael Z. 2006-01-30 18:40 Z

No, certainly not that analogy about vowel change in the root of the word, nizh-nozha. But let's leave further discussion to professional philologists. Sashazlv 00:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

Please add Infobox Parliament —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.78.245.135 (talk • contribs).

Done. —dima/talk/ 23:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

VR passed a resolution cutting twice the salary to the President, Prime Minister, MPs, and other higher officials.

Just read this :). It has yet to happen, but if it does where does this info belong? In all the articles of the functions (Prime Minister of Ukraine etc.) who's salary is cut twice? — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

"Privileges"

Not to self: a "Privileges" section should be written, apparently VR deputy's get free housing + free health care. Wouldn't mind if somebody else started the section ! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

It sure is an important category. We shall also include the fact that major political parties campaigned against deputy immunity.. I will start when I get the time, I am quite busy with schoolwork. ddima.talk 04:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Good luck with your schoolwork and nice to see you on wikipedia again! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 20:11, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.! I've been semi-dormant. I check any updates but don't really follow up on them! Long long time I haven't written anything, and a long time since we've had a DYK.. About time to start thinking of a new collaboration project? Hopefully I'll be back on here in no time writing more :DD ddima.talk 05:18, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Hope to see you back soon, but real life is important to ! Made a start with the section; in there I also stated who voted against the abolishment, hope it is still WP:NPOV... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

A first reading by VR of a deputy immunity bill passed today, but I'll waut to change the article until the second reading.... It seems that Yanukovych made a corrupted bill so it will take months before the privileges will be abolished... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Non-faction deputies

It seems that there are about 5 (didn't keep count) Rada deputies who where either expelled or resigned from there faction/party (including 1 from BYuT today) and now are "independent deputy". Should that fact be mentioned somewhere in this article? I think yes. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 12:53, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Move the article to a new name

When Verkhovna Rada URSR was (1938-1996) in English Supreme Council (Soviet) of USSR, logically Verkhovna Rada Ukraini (from 1996) is Supreme Council of Ukraine. --Finrus (talk) 03:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article names on English wikipedia should reflect the names used for it's subject in the English speaking word, wether they are logic or not... "Ukraine's parliament" seems to be mostly used by for instance by BBC and Times. "Supreme Council of Ukraine" is only mentioned in a couple of BBC News articles and then only round the year 2000. Rada is far more used by Times and BBC. Since there are already redirects I am against moving. Since "Rada" is far more used in English speaking about Ukraine's parliament then Supreme Council for describing Ukraine's parliament I undid your last edit here. Willing to change it if there is consensus about changing it but the page has been named Verkhovna Rada for years now... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 11:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. For the same reason why we have Reichstag (institution) and Reichstag building. Närking (talk) 23:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose as per the other two votes. I've seen Verkhovna Rada used many times in many news sources. ··· MNO (Hi!) 03:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Fights broke out in Rada again?

According to this source. But only BYuT members state there was shush a fight, are the making it up or was there a fight? Can't find another source just yet... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 22:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Rabbit in the Verkhovna Rada

Is a journalist in the parliament wearing a rabbit costume interesting enough to put in this article? — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 00:37, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Removed Russian name

According to Dilas25 "the Constitution of Ukraine (Art. 10) guarantees free development, use and protection of Russian language" but what the hell has that got to do with editing wikipedia? And why is not the Sorbian name of the German Bundestag included in that article? It is quite obvious the only reason Dilas 25 is editing wikipedia is to Russiafy Ukrainian articles. In my view this guy should be banned from wikipedia cause he is only here to push a political agenda. Let's have a propper discussion first and not let clowns like Dilas 25 (he added the Bellarussian name in Prime Minister of Ukraine...) take over wikipedia. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 13:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm pro-Yanukovych but I think you are correct, if we want to include other languages in Ukraine let's add Crimean Tatar also and other Ukrainian recognized regional languages... A.h. king • Talk to me! 16:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Accusations of "Russifying Ukrainian articles" and "making political agenda" are so absurd and weird that I don't even want to comment on that (especially taking into account the kind "apolitical" comment "Death to Russian imperialists" made by you, Yulia Romero). Sadly, you are even uncapable of keeping yourself withing the limits of normal politeness. Adding Russian name of Ukrainian parliament (in smaller font than in Ukrainian) would, in my opinion, be ´polite´ taking into account the significant role that the Russian language plays in Ukrainian society (see Russian language in Ukraine) and the fact that Russian is explicitly mentioned in Ukrainian constitution (article 10) alongside Ukrainian language (unlike any other possible minority language like Crimean Tatar). The "free use, development and protection" of the Russian language is guaranteed by the constitution of Ukraine (like it or not!) which may be taken as a certain degree of official recognition. Here you can read the text of Ukrainian Constitution in English: http://www.president.gov.ua/en/content/chapter01.html Dilas25 (talk) 17:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

The WP:UEIA policy is clear: the lede should contain "common names by which its subject is widely known". I am unconvinced the Russian version is "widely known" (in the English speaking world). I wish the editor does not take edits of others personally as per WP:AGF policy. I regret I did so (at the time); but in my defense your edit summaries at the time where so cryptic I could not make heads or tail of it. As a compromise we could ad the Russian name (next to the Ukrainian name) in the history section since in Soviet Times Russian and Ukrainian where official languages in the Ukrainian SSR. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:03, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

We are not talking about history, but about the present day parliament of Ukraine. Taking into account the fact that current constitution of Ukraine along with the still valid Language Law of Ukrainian SSR provide for some legal status of the Russian language in Ukraine (although not giving it equal rights with the official language - Ukrainian), the fact that Russian name "Верховная Рада Украины" is widely known inside Ukraine and used in Russophone Ukrainian media, the fact that Russian language is officially used in parliamentary proceedings (deputies of Ukrainian Rada have the right to make speeches and debate in Russian - and quite often do that!), we should also add the Russian name "Верховная Рада Украины" after the Ukrainian counterpart (possibly in smaller font to indicate difference in official status). Dilas25 (talk) 18:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

That is all interesting but that does not make the Russian version "widely known" (in the English speaking world); the Russophone Ukrainian media just translates the name into Russian.... Wikipedia is not a dictionary. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:55, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

See also: Wikipedia:Lead#Non-English_titles. The Russian version of the name Verkhovna Rada is not a "Relevant foreign-language name(s)". — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Russian is one of the official languages. Maybe not right now with the fascists in power, can anyone confirm? Half the country speaks Russians, and must be accepted in the parliament.

-G

What was the earlier name?

The Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian: Верховна Рада) is the present-day name of the Ukrainian parliament, but what was the name earlier, 1938-1990? --85.76.15.64 (talk) 19:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

See the article and you'll see for yourself. -- 92.13.88.3 (talk) 12:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Last days of the Verkhovna Rada as we know it?

There is a possibility there will be a national referendum in Ukraine to change the electoral system & introduce a two-chamber parliament. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Changes in Parliamentary Composition

This will need updating to reflect the recent change in government and defection of Party of Regions deputies. I have found a source here: https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/party-of-regions-faction-becomes-opposition-337488.html that says Party of Regions now has 130 deputies and independents have risen to 121, but those numbers don't sum to the same as the current total of Party of Regions + independents, so there have obviously been some other defections not listed. There's also not enough information on how the independents split between the new government and opposition for us to update the infobox yet, but if someone can find a more complete source, please go ahead and update this. Pbrione (talk) 11:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

You need this link http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/site2/p_fractions. I have changed it but the Ukraine wiki says (http://uk.wiki.x.io/wiki/Верховна_Рада_України#cite_note-2) PR130/PA88/BL42/SV36/CP32 and not partisan 121 total 44981.58.144.30 (talk) 16:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

You need to update the infobox. The image is misleading as it fails to depict the unaffiliated members. By leaving out these members, the parties depicted appear to hold an un-due amount of influence. For example, the infobox would suggest that a coalition between the Party of Regions and Communist Party of Ukraine could form a coalition with a clear majority. In fact, these parties only hold a combined 160/442 seats or just over a third of the seats (assuming the numbers are correct). I would suggest adding the unaffiliated members areas on the far right so that the parties appear proportional to the whole. Also, I would organize the parties by size (i.e. with the Communist Party on the far right) rather than by some perceived left-right political spectrum. The political spectrum approach is necessarily biased, and parties do not necessarily form coalitions based on the spectrum. Largest first, smallest last, with unaffiliated at right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.251.253 (talk) 23:22, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

For those interested: I already created Economic Development (parliamentary faction) about the new parliamentary faction that today erupted in the Verkhovna Rada. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

which parties are in the coalition now(Government of National Unity)? all except party or regions?81.58.144.30 (talk) 20:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

All except party of regions and communists. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I Put it in the infobox81.58.144.30 (talk) 16:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC) Could anybody help with the Sovereign European Ukraine group in the infobox?81.58.144.30 (talk) 11:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Kyiv Post

Somebody provided many facts from Kyiv Post. Often basing its news on Interfax-Ukraine news release, Kyiv Post is a newspaper that employs many correspondents, credibility of which should be checked. Some of the facts that are based on Kyiv Post statements are not precise if not false. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:21, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Political blog

It seems that someone tries to turn the article into a political blog to solve some political issues of international degree. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Rada=the Rede

Rada=the Rede.--Юе Артеміс (talk) 05:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Opposition Bloc

Can someone explain to me how Opposition Bloc (a party that doesn’t exist anymore) has six seats in the Rada? These seats should be designated as belonging to Ukraine is Our Home, the successor party. YantarCoast (talk) 21:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@YantarCoast: Are Opposition Bloc's MPs actively members of Ukraine is Our Home? I wasn't able to find much to confirm that. I'll work on finding info about the individual MPs that were elected as Oppobloc members, but if there isn't anything I think they should just be listed as independent. Cran32 (talk | contributions) 02:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I think you are right. It would make more sense to simply list them as independents, in the same way as the Rada's website. As for these MPs elected as Opposition Bloc members, all the information is here: http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/site2/p_fraction_free?skl=10

Out of the independents, there are currently only five MPs who ran on the Opposition Bloc ticket:

https://itd.rada.gov.ua/mps/info/page/21027

https://itd.rada.gov.ua/mps/info/page/21196

https://itd.rada.gov.ua/mps/info/page/21197

https://itd.rada.gov.ua/mps/info/page/17108

https://itd.rada.gov.ua/mps/info/page/8885

As for being members of Ukraine is Our Home, I can't find anything confirming that, so my position now is that they should be listed as independents. YantarCoast (talk) 08:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

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Zaluzhnyi Bandera-selfie Twitter controversy

@My very best wishes removed well sourced controversy:

“On January 1, 2023 parliament Twitter account published a Valerii Zaluzhnyi (Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) selfie with a portrait of Nazi Ukraine Stepan Bandera with his books quotes (celebrated the 114th anniversary of the birth of ultra-nationalist and antisemite whose followers engaged in a campaign of ethnic cleansing against Jews and Poles during World War II as Volhynia genocide), deleted after strong international criticism, especially from Poland: President, Prime Minister, Ministry of Foreign Affairsand Deputy Marshal of the Sejm.” Joaziela (talk) 16:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

And rightly so it has been removed. That is WP:UNDUE for general Verkhovna Rada article. - GizzyCatBella🍁 16:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

..and that POV tone again 🤦🏻‍♀️ - GizzyCatBella🍁 16:57, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose: per GizzyCatBella and the objections from all the other editors in all the other discussions regarding this. (WP:TE, WP:IDHT). Talk:Valerii Zaluzhnyi#Bandera and Verkhovna Rada, Talk:Stepan Bandera#1 Jan 2023 Verkhovna Rada commemoration, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland#Stepan Bandera genocide criminal or hero?, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#User:Joaziela.  // Timothy :: talk  18:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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