Talk:Utqiagvik, Alaska/Archive 3
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Common name does use dotted-g < ġ >
In fact the official name as recognized by the USGS Board of Geographic Names does in fact use the dotted-g < ġ > (rendered with Unicode U+CC87, combining dot above).
https://geonames.usgs.gov/apex/f?p=138:3:0::NO:3:P3_FID,P3_TITLE:1398635,Utqiag%CC%87vik
The fact that some sites do not use this special character should not be taken as evidence that the English spelling of the name lacks the dotted-g. Shouldn't the article title reflect the official English name rather than an alternate spelling? Gholton (talk) 16:04, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Requested move 2 August 2020
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The result of the move request was: Not moved(closed by non-admin page mover) Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 06:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Utqiagvik, Alaska → Utqiaġvik – Utqiagvik is a misspelling, and is only used in certain publications due to a lack of the character 'ġ,' legally and officially, the city's name in English and in Iñupiatun is Utqiaġvik WZibell (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – per MOS:USPLACE, you might want to add a ", Alaska" to the proposed title. Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes although I don't particularly agree with this, this is the guideline since it appears Americans usually treat the state as being part of the name, therefore Utqiaġvik, Alaska. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:13, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: It's hard to say whether the common name includes the dotted g, as the sources not including it might just not know how to type it. O.N.R. (talk) 09:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:USEENGLISH. I'm very wary of proclamations that the common English name of anything would include a letter that no English keyboard is able to type and most English speakers don't know how to pronounce. I'd need to see some concrete evidence that the common English spelling uses the dotted G letter. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:DIACRITICS says that we should follow the most common form in English-language reliable sources when deciding whether to use diacritics, so I would expect a request like this to include evidence that English sources usually use diacritics. However even the the city council doesn't use diacritics outside the logo. Hut 8.5 12:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment It's not completely out of this world to use native diacritics within countries that don't use the same characters in their respective primary languages. Haleakalā, a shield volcano in the U.S. state of Hawaii, is spelled with native diacritics. However, Lanai, Hawaii's sixth largest island, is supposed to be spelled "Lāna'i", but its Wikipedia title is nevertheless spelled "Lanai". My conclusion is that, in the end, there is no wrong answer. --HyettsTheGamer2 (talk) 01:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 13 December 2022
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The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW; it is clear that WP:USPLACE has to be deprecated for this to have any chance of succeeding. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Utqiagvik, Alaska → Utqiagvik – There isn't another "Utqiagvik" that is as notable as this one, if not exists another one. "Utqiagvik" itself should be ambiguous enough for now. Any objections? Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose STRONGLY per WP:USPLACE. You might want to take a look at that guideline — EVERY single U.S. city's page's article titles is to have the format "[CityName], [StateName]" — except a FEW, VERY-SPECIFIC exceptions (each being INCREDIBLY major cities) listed by the Associated Press's style guide. Of coruse we can keep the redirect, but this page must remain with the state name. (Plus, if this page is moved, it'd open up a humongous can of worms that would break an established long-standing format. If it ain't broke, don't
fixbreak it.) Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC) - Oppose. Should not be moved unless the long-standing WP:USPLACE is changed. 162 etc. (talk) 21:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- As mentioned this is American common usage even though I personally don't support unnecessarily disambiguating pages due to the complications this can cause. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Most reliable sources in the US, from national media to many American references commonly append the state to placenames. The whole point of the WP:USPLACE guideline is to provide a consistent naming convention that primarily matches these reliable sources in the US. Only a selected few major cities are commonly referred to without appending the state name, hence the so-called "Associated Press's style guide" exception rule, but Utqiagvik is not one of those cities. For example, this Business Insider article first refers to it as "Utqiagvik, Alaska" in its headline, subheadline, and the first instance in the body text. For further explanation, see Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Remove state from US placenames. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose this is standard practice for names of US places per WP:USPLACE. Hut 8.5 17:39, 14 December 2022 (UTC)