Talk:Unsuccessful nominations to the Cabinet of the United States

A fact from Unsuccessful nominations to the Cabinet of the United States appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 January 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the United States Senate rejected Caleb Cushing's nomination to be Secretary of the Treasury three times in one day?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2017/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Unsuccessful nominations to the Cabinet of the United States.

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Todd Ricketts

Should Todd Ricketts be include to the withdrawn nominations section? Or should he not, since this was a nomination to a deputy position.SecretName101 (talk) 00:46, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't a Cabinet position. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:32, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Shanahan and John Ratcliffe

It's not clear to me whether these two should be included on this page or not. According to this, Shanahan's nomination may not have ever been sent to the Senate. With Ratcliffe, we know it wasn't, since the process was over and done with in less than a week, and even he says he wasn't actually nominated, just announced.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: This is a very late reply, but I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning. In the first paragraph of the article, it states that "Listed below are unsuccessful cabinet nominees—that is, individuals ... whose nomination was withdrawn by the president. The latter category includes near nominations, meaning presumptive choices made by a president or president-elect that never progressed to formal nomination stage." Moreover, Sen. Daschle is included in the page despite his being never officially nominated. It would therefore follow that using the criteria set forth by the article, Shanahan and Ratcliffe should be included in the page.

Sdrqaz (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sdrqaz, I don't knot that that "near nominations" text was there before. If we want to consider "near nominations" as unsuccessful, then Shanahan and Ratcliffe would belong here. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: I've delved into the page history and it seems that the 'near nominations' text was added in July 2020, after you had written on the talk page. I should've done my due diligence before objecting to your message.

However, I would still support having Shanahan and Ratcliffe in the page because the article also includes nominations announced by the president-elect. As the president-elect is not the President, he would be unable to actually make a nomination and is instead announcing his intent. This is shown by the presence on Sen. Daschle in the page. What are your thoughts?

Sdrqaz (talk) 23:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sdrqaz, go ahead. I started this page, but that doesn't mean there's a firm consensus on where exactly the line is drawn on what is or is not within the scope of this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: That's very gracious of you. I'll edit it accordingly. Sdrqaz (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chad Wolf

What section would Chad Wolf go in? In his case, he was nominated and apparently passed the committee, since he was on the Executive Calendar, but the full Senate never voted on his nomination before that Congress ended, so his nomination expired with the end of the 116th Congress. Edit: Actually it looks like he's been renominated, but it seems unlikely that he'll be confirmed before Trump's term ends, so question still stands.73.110.217.186 (talk) 19:19, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]