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Czechia & Türkiye

They are using Czechia why can't Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.113.9 (talk) 20:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I swear it was down as Czechia before - can't seem to find when it changed. Has this been discussed? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it being discussed on this page anyway

thanks for the reply 97.116.113.9 (talk) 20:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The country's article is located at Czech Republic, and the national team at Czech Republic national football team. We will not switch to "Czechia" unless there is consensus that the country's common name has changed. Similar to why we aren't using "Türkiye", or "Côte d'Ivoire" in other articles. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, there really is a massive thread at Talk:Czech Republic. Probably best to wait until an RM changes on there. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be written as "Czechia". Eitan Drutman (talk) 13:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based on what? We can't make changes here just based on what people think, it has to be based on sources. – Pee Jay 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because that's how it is written in the offical games... Eitan Drutman (talk) 14:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about in third-party sources? What do news websites say? The BBC says Czech Republic and Turkey, not Czechia and Türkiye. So does The Guardian. – Pee Jay 16:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does Wikipedia prefer to use the third-party name(s)/way instead of the official name(s)/way? Eitan Drutman (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that official sources should be preferred over third-party sources, but in this case there's more to it than just the source. This is about practices in the English language. Czech Republic and Turkey can make statements about how they call themselves, but they cannot dictate how people from other countries, speaking other languages, call them. Imagine Germany would 'dictate' that everyone across the world should call them Deutschland, no matter what language they speak. That makes absolutely no sense. And that's exactly the case with Turkey. Czech Republic is a slightly different case, but it still goes that they cannot dictate how they are called. Hhl95 (talk) 21:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I mostly talk about Czechia. Not Turkey. Turkey should stay Turkey without a doubt imo. But Czechia is something else. Eitan Drutman (talk) 17:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a section named "Adoption of Czechia" in the Wikipedia article Name of the Czech Republic, where it contains citations for Czech Football Association adopting Czechia on 24 May 2022. The citation is in Czech, and I can't read Czech, but a cursory glance on that Wikipedia article (cursory read is a dangerous thing I know) seems to contain a lot of citations in that article. But I haven't gone into checking the edit history of that article to see if many of those changes were made recently (within the proximity of Euro 2024). However, if that's Czech Football Association's official stance on its naming, it does make a strong case of needing to change the name from Czech Republic to Czechia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.17.220 (talk) 06:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should really defer to the title of the article in question Czech Republic national football team. If that were to have a successful RM, then it should change here. But that would likely change based on the Czech Republic article Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UEFA gives Czechia and Türkiye [1].--Anatoliy (Talk) 19:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, but we don't exactly go off what UEFA says. Usually we would go with what third party sources say about this, but in this context there is a lot of other things to keep in mind. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does Wikipedia prefer to use the third-party name(s)/way instead of the official name(s)/way? Eitan Drutman (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The what? Wikipedia summarises what third party reliable sources say about a subject. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not use the official (UEFA's) names though? Eitan Drutman (talk) 18:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because that’s against Wikipedia’s policies.T v x1 21:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Eitan Drutman (talk) 17:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm firmly on the side of those who think these countries should be referred by the names used by FIFA/UEFA. I've put something on the talk page of Turkey national football team to try to start a discussion about this, as it doesn't seem to have been discussed yet. US Referee (talk) 15:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And what policy or guideline are you basing that on?? Using official names goes against our established practice. This is the English language wikipedia and we use common English language names, not official ones. This wikipedia has never prioritized official names. Every other language Wikipedia refers to the these countries in that Wikipedia’s language. There just isn’t any reason no to do so on the English language wikipedia.T v x1 21:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be useful to separate the issue for the names Czechia and Türkiye. Even if both are essentially attempts by the respective countries to rebrand themselves internationally (de facto, in English), the adoption of both names in general English parlance is not identical. Naturally, all language is in flux, and it could be a question of "when" rather than "if" for both cases, but I suspect "Czechia" will _very soon_ replace the verbose "Czech Republic" in everyday speach. At the same time, I can image "Türkiye" always feeling like a foreign word to English speakers. But really this should not be a question on this page, but for wikipedia-wide discussion. KeithWM (talk) 21:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the talk pages of those countries (Talk:Czech Republic and Talk:Turkey) and you'll see it has indeed been talked about in depth. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KeithWM You are right about language being in flux. One of the authoritative style guides in the US, the AP Stylebook, continues to recommend "Turkey", but they have moved to saying either "Czechia" or "Czech Republic" is acceptable, but if the former is used, it should be mentioned that it's more widely known as the Czech Republic at some point in the article. But since this is a change that, if/when it happens, will affect all of Wikipedia, it makes sense that it happens at the talk pages for the respective nations' articles. —C.Fred (talk) 00:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out! I think I did try to look for them before, but missed them. Annoyingly it seems like a discussion I would like to get involved in (at leat for Czechia), but is so deep in Wikipedia jargon and idiosyncracy that I cannot see how to actually contribute. KeithWM (talk) 22:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2024

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switch top scorers in overview, olmo and schranz, SL comes before SP in alphabet 2A01:B340:86:78DD:40C:3EFB:818F:848A (talk) 11:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Left guide (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccessibility of statement promoting inclusion

In Marketing > Brandinding, the tooltip translating the second sentence is inaccessible to keyboard-only users: ‘The official slogan of the tournament is "United by Football. Vereint im Herzen Europas." The slogan was chosen to promote diversity and inclusion.’

This hardly fits with the stated reason for the slogan — to promote inclusion.

I suggest that the translation be made visible for all users (Fixed on Sep 17, 2024, by CrazyBuilder (talk) 09:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)).[reply]

There is also the wider question of whether such a tooltip should be used on any page. CrazyBuilder (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding captions to tables

I've been adding captions to (data) tables, where missing, to improve the accessibility for screen reader users (SRU). Some I can do nothing about as the tables are constructed from pre-assembled templates, e.g. the ranking of third-placed teams. Where a table does have a caption, it is labelled by that caption; where there is no caption, the listing that a SRU gets goes something like this:

4 columns, 25 rows
3 columns, 16 rows
etc.

In other words, they need to be mind-readers to know what such a table is about and whether it is worth listening to. What can we do to improve these tables by adding a caption? Many thanks! CrazyBuilder talk 14:58, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From 1960 to 1988 Ukraine competed as Soviet Union

From 1960 to 1988 the Soviet Union national football team played in 5 UEFA European Championships was Qualified team. In 1992 as CIS national football team. Ukraine was part of the USSR from 1922 to 1991. Many Ukrainian players played for the Soviet Union national football team and CIS national football team during this period. Please include in Previous appearances in tournaments for Ukraine - 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1988, 1992. Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic was part USSR from 1922 to 1991 too. In Previous appearances in tournaments for Russian Federation - 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1988, 1992. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ЛексВМ (talk • contribs) 18:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done; similar for Georgia per Georgia national football team. Renerpho (talk) 03:00, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image to explain logo/branding

The Serbian Wikipedia is using [2], taken from UEFA's branding website [3], based on fair use. Their template translates to

This image represents the logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright. The use of low-resolution images on the Serbian-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, may qualify as non-free use under the Copyright law of the United States. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. See Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Logos. Use of the logo here does not imply endorsement of the organization by Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation, nor vice versa.

That's close to the English Wikipedia's own fair use policy. Is there any reason why we can't upload the same image? Renerpho (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]