Talk:Trauma Center: Second Opinion

Angie Apperance Change

Is it worth mentioning in the article(maybe under trivia or something) that Angie looks significantly different in the Wii Version compared to DS. Since she is the only main character to undergo and significant appearance change.

EXCUSE ME? Everyone looks totally different. They gave Derek birthin' hips. Where the hell is Victor. Why is Von Karma in this game? He's in the background of the front cover. Let himself go, a bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kakeshi challenge (talk • contribs) 20:49, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

I said significant. Characters have miner changes. "derek's birthin' hips" as an example, but Angie doesn't even look like she's supposed to be the same person. 70.78.84.7 (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Sequel or remake?

This game is in fact a sequel, not a remake. -- (Unsigned) Link

A "wii-make"; they went there, didn't they? -- Old Guard 06:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

This month's Nintendo Power clarifies that this is definitely a remake (err, yes, "wii-make") and not a new title or sequel. Since Atlus apparently started development quite recently (roughly January or February of 2006), there wasn't enough time to do a full fledged sequel. -- Slordak 02:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hoax?

google search turns up nothing. If no one can provide a reference, i'm labeling this article a hoax. --Philo 06:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Here you go. Link

-Jarrad from the UK

Two New Tools

I just did an interview with Atlus USA (located here: http://wiivolve.com/article.php?articleId=13&page=1) and they said that there would be two new tools, but only one of them is known to the public at this time (Defibrillator). I'm going to add this to the article.

WiiVolve 07:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The other two may be the "Flashlight/Torch"(Probably called torch in British version) and the "flash Camera" in the Z-mission "Pursuit" were called new tools in the game manual.

Story

To be honest, I know very little about the story in Chapter 6, and it would be nice if someone who knows more about the game would edit the story section and also leave out any blanks I left out. --NelsonJ 23:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The article assumes a complete knowledge of the game on which this is based. As I have no knowledge of either this or the previous game, it'd be nice if someone who's played at least one could flesh out some of the more basic details involved in the game - storyline, premises, basic concepts, etc. lithium3141 23:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I've put up a gameplay section back in Under the Knife and linked back to that from this article, is that was you were looking for? --Masem 00:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Snakes on a plane.. no. Caduceus on a Plane is not related to that. Snakes used to staff of Hermes (Surprise, surprise, a medical symbol) and so does a medical game! Nothing to do with each other. (Previous unsigned comment made by HalosLikeNooses).

Having played the original and this version, the fact that the one mission that actually takes place on a plane gets a name change in the Wii version to what would be the rather unoriginal "Caduceus on a Plane" would seem to be a stupid move, but when considering the "Snakes on a Plane" movie, in conjunction with the Caduceus symbol and the snakes on it, makes this title a rather clever pun. --Masem 05:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Missing Anything Important?

I was wondering, I know that Second Opinion is essentially a remake of Under the Knife (Which I have not played) and have heard that the final chapters are different in both. I looked up both entries on Wiki (hence be being here) and confirmed this, but I was wondering if since aparantly alot of things are implied from Under the Knife in Second Opinion in regards to Chapter Six. I was wondering if Id be missing anything important by not playing the DS version or not, since I noticed there were also several "major changes" in the levels too. I just dont want to miss anything that could be important.

Lestrad

Yeah, you kinda would be. It's only chapter six though, they made a new chapter six, a year after the original one, so it continues the plot. I would suggest it, though I havn't done it myself. Silverfireshadow 04:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

EU Release Date

I'm changing the release date for the EU back to "TBA". The site that's listed as the source for the 30th March release date seems to be pretty unreliable - they also listed Metroid Prime 3 for a 23rd February release date, which is just plain untrue. Also, official sites like Nintendo Europe have no concrete release date for it in the EU. Kupos 19:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

At least 2 other dates have since been added, changed, removed, changed again, reverted, etc... In the absence of any source (official or otherwise) I've reverted back to TBA for both EU and AU. Spiral Wave 16:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Release Date

Numerous 3rd party Wii games were released on November 15, 2006 in America. That's when I purchased the game. I don't know why games were released 4 days early, but they were. Whenever I update this page to add in the correct release date, it is edited out. -YoshiRox10

Source? Geoff B 20:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

GameSpot: http://www.gamespot.com/wii/adventure/traumacentersecondopinion/index.html

It lists the shipping date, the 14th.

I understand that the game is widely considered to be released on the 19th, and even the website says the 19th, but many people were able to purchase this game on the 15th. I'll e-mail Atlus as verification. I honestly had the game in my hands on the 15th.

-YoshiRox10

Game FAQS also says the shipping date is the 14th: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/data/933018.html

I'lle-mail atlus soon asking them about this.

atlus' top selling game?

I wanted to add this sentence to the article:

Since it was a launch title for the Wii, TC:SO has become the top selling game in Atlus' history.

I remember reading this somewhere but cant find it now, and I'd like to have a reference to make sure I didn't misinterpret anything. Little help? Tehw1k1 03:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe in the US, but not world wide. The Shin Megami Tensei series is pretty big in Japan. It's third to Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy as far as popular RPG series go. You'll definitely want that citation. 121.45.222.135 15:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Name of female playable doctor

Her name is Kimishima in my American copy. Am I nuts? EgyptianSushi 21:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC) Hmm.. maybe she mentioned it being her real name somewhere or something? Now it's saying Weaver. (Wii-ver? Wii version only character? haw haw). ... and now I notice in the later episodes they call her Kimishima in the American one. So the article should be changed eh? EgyptianSushi 21:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

They call her Weaver (I never noticed the Wii-ver thing, it is similiar to Stiles=Stylus, DS=Derek's initials) in the earlier levels because she is under a fake name, she then reveals her identity later in the game.

Her "current" name is Nozomi Weaver, she has a former name which Kimishima is the family name. By the way, why is it that the article has her name down as Naomi here and there? Shouldn't that be fixed up? 121.45.222.135 15:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Weaver does not mean "Wii-ver", but together with "Nozomi" (のぞみ,could be 臨み or 望み), I don't know any Japanese) it becomes "Hope Weaver".--Kakurady 00:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It's actually a reference to Dr. Weaver from ER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.57.129.151 (talk) 01:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Needs specifics on gameplay/What the game is like

I came here to see how this game plays, and am finding instead "it plays like the other one that it is based on" essentially. I've never played the game, but I'm hoping someone can edit it to treat it as it's own entity, and maybe mention as a side note that it's based on something else/continues out of something else, etc. Just a thought. Happy cricket (talk) 05:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Trauma Center: Second Opinion/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Alexandra IDV (talk · contribs) 17:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

...And I'll take this one!--Alexandra^IDV 17:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Infobox

• Hiroshi Kato, Masayoshi Suto, and Takaaki Ikeda are only mentioned in the infobox, where they are unsourced

Gameplay

• Since both Wii Remote and Nunchuk lead to the same article, I would suggest formatting the linking like [[Wii Remote|Wii Remote and Nunchuk]] rather than repeating the link in quick succession.
• The Wii Remote being used for many actions including stitching up wounds and using the scalpel, filling the role of the stylus from the Nintendo DS original. - this sentence does not seem to stand on its own. I would either merge it with the previous sentence, or change "being" to "is".

Synopsis

• I'm unsure what "living cadaver" means - is a cadaver not by definition a dead body?
• ostracised (and later on, stylised) is written in UK English, while dates are written in the US English format November 19, 2006. I don't have any strong opinions on which variety of English this article should use, but it should be consistent.

Development

• There's some jumping back-and-forth in the chronology here: First it says when planning began, then after a sentence about how it was the first TC game on the Wii, we jump back to just after the first game's release. Would recommend moving the current first sentence to someplace after the bit about the formation of the development team.
• Link Megami Tensei, and mention when Maken X was released for context
• The original stylised anime-inspired look was altered to appear more realistic - Personally, I wouldn't describe the remake's art as "realistic" - and in the source you cite, Hulett agrees ("though they could still probably be considered "anime" in general, it's much more of a mature look"). I would suggest rewording this.
• It was stated that Atlus considered Second Opinion the "perfect" version of Trauma Center. - I would recommend just removing this bit entirely. It was very much in Atlus's self-interest to call Second Opinion an improvement, so obviously they would say that.
• Two Super Surgical Operations: Caduceus Neo may be what the tentative title translates to, but the source you cite gives a title in Japanese.
• The English subtitle references both the game's status as the second Trauma Center and to distinguish it from the original. Other subtitles were suggested including "Relapse", but Second Opinion was picked due to its relation to both the game's added features and the new character. - the meaning of the subtitle is spread out across the two sentences. Would recommend rewriting to keep them grouped together.
• The setting change from Japan to North America was preserved for Second Opinion. As with Stile's name in the Nintendo DS version, Kimishima's original surname "Weaver" was written by Atlus USA as a pun on the word "Wii". - without knowing that the setting and character names were changed for the English localization (which has not been mentioned until this point), this comes across as confusing.

Reception

• At a few spots near the end of the section, you have a lot of references in sequence, which impacts readability. I would suggest grouping these under a single footnote, either by wrapping it in an {{efn}} or as is suggested in WP:VG/REC

Images

• Both images are fine, as are their fair use rationales
• I realize the cover art shows a lot of characters, but I would suggest at least taking the opportunity to use the caption to visually identify Stiles and Kimishima (who I assume is the character in the center-right?)

References

• Seems fine - reliable sources, and some self-published sources / interviews for non-controversial statements.

Other

• I additionally made some minor edits that I figured would be faster to do myself than to describe

Looking pretty good! I'll put this on hold for the standard seven days; ping me when you have addressed the above or if you have any questions!--Alexandra^IDV 02:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandra IDV: Did my best with all the above, hope I didn't miss anything. As to the staff, I've added some info and references in the dev section. I also did some edits on the story to correct some gaffs with the narrative; I think I got glazed eyes with that when I was writing it, it's so melodramatic. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:38, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I have confirmed the changes and will promote the article now!--Alexandra^IDV 19:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)