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Genre

Regarding the first sentence in the lead section, I wanted to create a space to discuss how to write the genre. We have MOS:FILMLEAD to cite, and it says, "Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources." I think we can all agree that at its very core, that it is a horror film. Of course, since the film is not released, we do not have secondary sources reviewing the film independently and labeling it as such. At this time, we have this in which they write, "It's a perfect example of the tone the director wanted to strike, that mix of horror and comedy." So does that make this film a "horror-comedy film"? An editor tried to write "black comedy horror film", but "black" is not in the source at all. I am tentatively okay with just "horror-comedy film" unless others have good reasons not to use that.

It may be in the long run that secondary sources will call this film just a horror film, or something else, but we should remember that we don't have to fully explain all the elements in the first sentence. It could be introduced as horror in the first sentence and identified to have comedic elements in a later sentence. For now, nothing should be considered final until secondary sources review the film. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Googabbagabba, see above. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Production companies

XB2025, what reliable source names this film's production companies? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Atomic Monster James Wans Title appears in the teaser. Black Bear internationally distributes while c2 also appears in the trailer XB2025 (talk) 21:52, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see James Wan mentioned in the teaser but not "Atomic Monster"? And I see the trailer mention "C2" after Neon, but I don't see Black Bear or other labels anywhere? If you say it's distributing internationally, why wouldn't it be a distributor? I feel like we should see all the companies named in one place, not scattered like this. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 00:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I saw it on a international poster XB2025 (talk) 01:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BTW c2 is c2 motion picture group XB2025 (talk) 01:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See my edit summary: per source #5 & #6. Wan is producing with Atomic Monster partner Michael Clear, and C2 Motion Picture Group’s Jason Cloth and Dave Caplan. The rest listed are executive producers/studios with 'in association with' credit. Black Bear International is sales agent. Mike Allen 15:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mike, this from 2023 names four producers, but this from 2024 names five as producers without mentioning executive producers. Am I missing something? EDIT: Either the 2024 source didn't get specific enough, or crediting changed since? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:01, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could be either tbh. Two posters have been released with no actual billing block, so the best way to go is to use the latest source (I didn't realize it was from 2024)--for now. I reverted it back. Thanks. Mike Allen 17:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got it! Yeah, we'll find out for sure soon enough. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's yet another effort to add companies to the infobox, as seen here, without sourcing despite there being WP:NORUSH. It's likely that most of the additions are right in some way, but as the edit summary reflects, there is a convoluted piecing-together set of assumptions. It will be straightforward very soon. And I find "Black Bear Pictures" as "international" (meaning outside US) distributor implausible too -- this mentions their distributing in the UK and Ireland as Black Bear UK, where it would be released in Canada under Elevation Pictures. So if the editor was fine assuming Black Bear is the full-on non-US distributor, I doubt the validity of their assessment with the rest of the companies. There is WP:NORUSH, and reviews will indicate the company credits. We are not a WP:PROMO of the film, we are an encyclopedia. We can afford to wait and get it truly verifiable. Erik (talk | contrib) 12:13, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I found the Elevation Pictures poster here, which mentions Black Bear, C2, and Elevation Pictures. The US poster here has Neon and C2. "C2" so far is a constant here. Not sure why "Atomic Monster" is not part of it. Not outlining this to argue for inclusion, but to give a general idea now for when we get concrete details. Erik (talk | contrib) 12:19, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We are getting closer... Mike Allen 21:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. XB2025 (talk) 21:10, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Black Bear International is a sales arm for the distribution rights. It is not a distributor itself. It can hold onto the UK/Ireland (and Canada) distribution by “selling” to Black Bear UK (and Elevation). Other distributors can buy rights to France, for example, from Black Bear International. -2pou (talk) 01:29, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Sales companies should not be considered direct distributors. Beta Fiction handles distribution of the film in Spain [1].--Asqueladd (talk) 13:10, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actors

24.85.241.183 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), I reverted here because the additions were unreferenced and likely indiscriminate. We need to follow MOS:FILMCAST in going with verifiable lists of actors since we cannot name every single person (especially for a film whose long-term notoriety is not established). Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]