Talk:The Guy She Was Interested in Wasn't a Guy at All

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On 30 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from The Guy She Was Interested In Wasn't a Guy at All to The Guy She Was Interested in Wasn't a Guy at All. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Requested move 30 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Guy She Was Interested In Wasn't a Guy at All → The Guy She Was Interested in Wasn't a Guy at All – Correcting capitalization per MOS:AT and MOS:TITLECAPS. This title is on the local or global move blacklist. DocWatson42 (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, "interested in" is a phrasal verb, meaning the word "in" is an adverb in this context and should stay capitalized. Compare Turn On the Radio, All I Ask For Anymore, etc. However, I do suggest that the un-capitalized variant be un-blacklisted and restored as a redirect. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per MOS:CT: "in" is a preposition in this title, and prepositions with four or fewer letters are lowercased. Darkday (talk) 21:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I think TenPoundHammer is right about it being a phrasal verb. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following is a quote from MOS:CT (footnote g):

The term phrasal verb has conflicting meanings. According to English Grammar Today (Carter, McCarthy, Mark, and O'Keefee, 2016, as quoted by Cambridge Dictionary): "Multi-word verbs are verbs which consist of a verb and one or two particles or prepositions (e.g. up, over, in, down). There are three types of multi-word verbs: phrasal verbs, prepositional verbs and phrasal-prepositional verbs. Sometimes, the name 'phrasal verb' is used to refer to all three types." For capitalizing in titles, phrasal verb is meant in the narrow sense (of verb + particle) only.

So, the question is whether "interested in" is a particle verb (verb + particle) or a prepositional verb (verb + preposition). The Wikipedia article English phrasal verbs has the section Distinguishing phrasal verb types which describes four tests. A simple test is to check whether it's possible to shift the preposition/particle to after the noun. For particle verbs, this is usually possible:

You can take on Susan → You can take Susan on
I made up a story → I made a story up
Can you fill in this form? → Can you fill this form in?

But for prepositional verbs, it is not possible:

get off the bus → *get the bus off
It depends on the weather → *It depends the weather on
She's looking for a job → *She's looking a job for

So, what about "she was interested in the guy"? You cannot say "she was interested the guy in", so "interested in" is a prepositional verb, which means "in" is a preposition. Or let's look at the third test, checking if it's possible to insert an adverb or adverbial between the verb and the particle/preposition. This is possible for prepositional verbs, but not for particle verbs. Well, you can say "She was interested completely in the guy", which again means that "in" is a preposition. Darkday (talk) 15:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opposition withdrawn after seeing the explanation from Darkday. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the meantime I asked for an outside opinion—see "Phrasal verb?" at r/English on Reddit. —DocWatson42 (talk) 19:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Looks like it's not a phrasal verb after all. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:39, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.