Talk:The Amazing Spider-Man (film)/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Philippines Gross

Of the $678,526,210 Worldwide gross of the movie, $251,426,210 came from the Philippines alone. |via Box Office Mojo [1] jmarkfrancia (talk) 07:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

How does this add to the improvement of the article? --Eaglestorm (talk) 08:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it is important, because it contributes to the success of the film, financially. jmarkfrancia (talk) 16:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

That is impossible, it made around $8 million in the Philippines which is definitely not note-worthy.--Eddyghazaley (talk) 10:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

"Untold Story" untold

Untold --88.111.114.152 (talk) 12:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC) We should mention this

--88.111.127.125 (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2012 (UTC)I agree it should be mentioned, cause I thought that was what the movie would be about!--88.111.127.125 (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Are we going to mention this?--88.111.126.79 (talk) 14:06, 16 December 2012 (UTC) Bump. Is this noteworhty or not?--88.111.123.155 (talk) 17:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe

i have noticed that the technology in the movie (holograms, touch pads made out of glass, ect) is like the technology in the MCU, in fact I saw the name Stark on one of the door touch pads in this movie, does this movie take place in the new Avengers universe of movies? will there be crossovers with the Avengers phase 2 story line, i know spiderman is or was part of the Avengers in the comics i was just wondering about this for the movies? 156.33.195.254 (talk) 13:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

No as Sony have the movie rights to Spidey, and not Marvel !--88.111.125.204 (talk) 18:23, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Home Media

In New Zealand the DVD and Blu-ray will be released on October 31st, not November 9th like the article says. References: http://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/DVD/The-Amazing-Spider-Man/20641765/ http://www.flicks.co.nz/movie/the-amazing-spider-man-3d/ 121.74.167.26 (talk) 05:44, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I haven't been on Wikipedia since like forever but I do have plans on coming back here and expanding on the home media section which is lacking on information. Here is a few sources that I will leave here so I won't lose them.

• http://www.homemediamagazine.com/sony-pictures/amazing-spider-man-swings-disc-nov-9-28229
• http://www.homemediamagazine.com/research/amazing-spider-man-slings-top-charts-28866
• http://www.webcitation.org/6BtAYRuJh
• http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=96773
• http://marvel.com/news/story/19681/get_the_amazing_spider-man_on_blu-ray_dvd_today Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 21:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Preparation for GA review

With the release of Blu-Ray, I assume there can be another influx of editors to this article, after this dies down I see no problem with nominating it for GA review. However there are a few things we can do help get it ready;

• The referencing in this section should mirror the rest of the article.
• All citations should be moved to references section.
• The home media section should be expanded.
• There are missing metadata in the citation templates and every online source should be archived.

Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:30, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

• Not quite sure what section you are meaning?
• They aren't?
• Helped out. It's kind of hard to find more since it's a outdated topic to easily find sources. If you know any more sources let me know.
• Do you mind ponting out the missing metadata? Also I do plan to archive all of them.

Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Questions for GA

• Is the theme section ok? I hear that it's better to have critical analysis instead of the creator's perspective for a theme section. Perhaps it's still constructive but it needs a different name?
• Does the ogg file work or is their better ideas for a video (or picture file). My only beef with it is it labeling Sony Imageworks on it. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

The themes section would work fine for me. We should also include analysis from scholars as well. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:42, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding ogg, it's generally one of the best file types to go with, so I don't see a problem. The only better option is to have an ogg and mov together, as that covers Chrome and Safari as well. drewmunn talk 08:15, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't quite clear on what I meant. I mean does the video that is being depicted is a good video for the article. (Like I said the only thing I am skeptical is that it says Sony Imageworks on the video which kind of gives away where it came from. Could that be a problem?) I am pretty sure it works on loading. But I do wonder if there is a way that it can work both for chrome and safari now that you brought it up? Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 23:11, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it's of good enough quality (the logo is somewhat obtrusive, but doesn't really detract.) I'm not sure about it's origins, but I personally feel Fair Use should be sufficient. I could download and convert it into a mov format, but I'm not sure how Wikipedia's syntax would deal with fallback options. Right now, I only see "For a better video playback experience we recommend a [ html5 video browser]." when I'm using Safari, because it uses mov format files. However, most other browsers require something else (ogg is very popular), so we don't want to get rid of that option. Also, would Fair Use cover two of the same things in different format? All questions that probably need asking/ have been discussed already on a wider stage as we transition into the future of plugin-free browsing. drewmunn talk 18:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

• All the onlines sources have been cached:

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Betty Logan (talk) 20:45, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Betty Logan. A few dead links but I was lucky enough to find other sources for all of them. Work on that some other day. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Excellent job of archiving! I've just seen that the UK paper The Sun isn't archivable either with Archive.org or Webcitation. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3380075/Being-Spider-Man-is-a-dream-come-true.html). We might want to find an archivable substitute for where we quote Garfield (he says similar things in many interviews) and where The Sun is more of multiple citations for one thing, just remove it. This will help avoid a dead link in the future, and it'll be easier to replace with something now than a year or two down the road --Tenebrae (talk) 05:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Update. It still won't cache in WebCitation, but after using a different browser, I was able to get it to save in Archive.org — the trouble with which, of course, is that unlike WebCitation it doesn't cache immediately but rather puts it in queue to cache somewhere down the road. And between now and then, this link may be dead. But, fingers crossed: http://web.archive.org/liveweb/http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3380075/Being-Spider-Man-is-a-dream-come-true.html. --Tenebrae (talk) 06:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm. Interesting. I tried to find sources that say similar things like it cited (for example him being blown away by his predecessor's interpretation) but was kind of unsuccessful. I hope it stays. Also that link you showed seemed to work fine for me. :/ Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 14:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

requested move

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The Amazing Spider-Man (2012 film) → The Amazing Spider-Man (film) – According to this discussion this seems to be the only film that officially has this title. Therefore a ambiguous date of this film appears to be unnecessary. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Support per discussion.  drewmunn  talk  18:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose for now The links on Spider-Man (1977 film) and The Amazing Spider-Man (TV series) suggest the earlier one used "The Amazing Spider-Man" at some point though I'm not sure if they're sourced or are just copyng each other. As it was a backdoor pilot is it possible that it was retitled for later reruns to have a more consistent title across the whole series? The VHS releases use The Amazing Spider-Man [http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Spider-Man-VHS/dp/630180287X/ref=sr_1_11?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1370303630&sr=1-11&keywords=The+Amazing+Spider-Man] & [http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Spider-Man-VHS/dp/6304506961/ref=sr_1_21?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1370303674&sr=1-21&keywords=The+Amazing+Spider-Man] Timrollpickering (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

This says it is is also known as that. I guess that may mean all of the titles should have year date in it's title. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

That may be the best way to go, although we could always use a hatnote if it is moved. --Rob Sinden (talk) 07:59, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree; in 20 years no one will remember which films used which adjectives or not. Better to just put a year on all of them. Powers ^T 19:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Legacy?

The "Legacy" section is ridiculous. It mentions the sequels which already has a section, mentions being the lowest regarded Spider-Man film and the best regarded one on a list that ranks Watchmen as one of the greatest movies in its genre. The film came out last year to good but not great reviews like The Dark Knight or Spider-Man 2. Thoughts? Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

No the sequels section is ridiculous. An editor added that with no source whatsoever. The Legacy section just put ranks in lists. The Legacy section talks about the sequels and also contains a reference from a scientist. It's a more than one topic section. This article is no way implying that it is good as The Dark Knight or Spider-Man 2. It just tells you what lists are saying.Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

multiple image format?

Yeah. That's a different take on things on film related articles. So I can maybe see a revert or something. If so just letting anyone know I did it as a bold edit. Just trying something different isn't always bad. If I am reverted that's ok. I am willing to listen why. Happy editing. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Removed image of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

This added nothing to a discussion by the actor concerning his role as the Lizard. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 15:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC) Response to a reversion: To be more clear, there isn't even an image of the actor or the character(s) he is playing in this section of the article, so I do not see how an image from the novel, however classic I am sure we agree it is, adds to our understanding of the text here. Jekyll and Hyde is an extremely well known work of fiction adapted many times in popular culture, so the illustration in question is not terribly helpful to anyone reading about this film and this character; it is certainly of interest to anyone reading about the novel, from whose page the image has been lifted. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 04:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

As long as you explained yourself in the edit summary. I am not sure it was hurting anything especially considering it was still there before the GA nomination and also since it's a free use image. You were the first one that seemed to feel this way. But it's not totally a loss. I still think I might agree to disagree although it's also not worth edit warring at the same time. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷

Thanks for reminding me that I should have said why I was doing it in the edit summary itself. I understand that you were reluctant to remove it on the grounds you cite (particularly GA). I appreciate that you are agreeing to disagree, which is very civil, but I hope to convince you, if you'll indulge me. Let us agree, first, that fair use status is not a reason to use any old image, and second, that the over-use or misapplication of an illustration does in fact do harm to articles. This particular image distracts a reader from the subject, pointing at another work of fiction altogether, referred to only in passing by an actor playing a part, not a serious critic, basically saying the character he plays is a bit like another character. The actor is engaging in synthesis and we are reporting it, which is fine--but when we add that image from that other work, I'd say this is actually WP:SYNTH on our part. Yes, there are superficial resemblances to its plot (scientist, self-experimentation, self-transformation, and violent results) but these are so regularly employed for other works (particularly in some science fiction stories) that the same justification for this image exists in articles about other characters in the earlier Spider-Man franchise: the Sam Raimi films feature both the Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus, both arguably influenced by exactly the same story, provided the actors portraying these characters also referred to it, or any of the critics. For that matter, you could have the same image in the Hulk's article, and the films and TV series about the Hulk, all backed by an easily found source superficially but more or less accurately comparing these to Jekyll and Hyde. If you stop to think about it, there are probably literally hundreds of comic book villains with similar origin stories to Jekyll and Hyde (Calvin Zabo, obviously(!), and I've only scratched the surface with Marvel; the proportion elsewhere is higher because Stan Lee hit on the idea of mutants mutants everywhere before anyone else did). If we were to use that image every time someone mentions the novel while talking about something else, just because the image is available to us, Wikipedia could end up having that image every 20 pages or so. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 06:23, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Free use not fair use. I personally wouldn't cared if it was on the Hulk article. Better than most fair use articles that are on there. It worked for Spider-Man to have a Richard Wentworth article talking about the name inspiration. Obviously there needs to be a limit on using the image though. So I can see removing it being for the best. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:40, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Weird formatting in mobile version (iOS) and missing text

After the Leary oddly placed text box, the paragraph describing his character is missing, then you have to scroll 20 'pages' of blank space, and it comes to the bullet point "Martin Sheen as ..., etc" If you do a search for 'rampage' or 'pressure' they're not found. Beyond my skill set to repair. -rudyard (talk) 05:33, 28 May 2017 (UTC)