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Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
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Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
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Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
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Missing tournaments

Missing off Griffiths' list of tournament victories are: the 1984 Malaysian Masters, where he topped a round robin group (Tony Meo was the runner up); the 1984 Singapore Masters, where also topped a round robin group (Steve Davis was runnr up); the 1985 Hong Kong Masters, where he beat Steve Davis 4-2; the 1986 Belgian Classic, where he beat Kirk Stevens 9-7 in the final. The event featured 8 of the top 9 players for the 1985/1986 season.

Tim Sandle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.215.89.250 (talk) 22:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Long amateur career

Does anyone know why he waited until his early 30s to turn professional? Is it because there wasn't much money in the game until the late 70s, so he couldn't earn a living? A source would be great, thanks. --Dweller (talk) 10:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In those days professional snooker was a "closed shop" and it was very difficult to turn professional. MidlandLinda (talk) 12:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can any one find a source for honouring contracts.

I remember reading in the newspaper at the time that Griffiths had a contract to play an exhibition at a small, south Wales club shortly after the world championship. It was reported that the club got in touch to say that they couldn't afford the fees that a world champioship finalist could expect and understood that he wouldn't want to come to their club. He replied that when he had agreed to go there he was glad of the booking and would honour all pre existing bookings at the original fee.

When Joe Johnson won the title at his first attempt he announced publically that he would be following Griffiths' example. MidlandLinda (talk) 12:28, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA passed.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Terry Griffiths/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 22:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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is a retired Welsh snooker player and current snooker coach and pundit. -probably need the word "professional" in there. Something like "is a retired professional Welsh snooker player and current snooker coach and pundit." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lede links to World Snooker Championship 1979, rather than the article name Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He became World Champion in 1979 at the first attempt in only his second tournament as a professional player, - maybe "In his second professional tournament, he became world champion as he won the 1979 World Snooker Championship as a qualifier." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He was runner-up at the 1988 World Snooker Championship to Steve Davis, losing 11–18 after being level at 8–8. - "Nine years later, in 1988, Griffiths reached the final of the competition again. He was tied with Steve Davis at 8-8, but lost the match 11-18." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from two world championship finals, his only other appearance in a ranking tournament." Probably need to specify you are talking about ranking tournament finals. Bare in mind we literally stated he won the UK in the sentence before, which is clearly a bigger deal. Perhaps "in addition, Griffiths also reached the final of the 1989 European Open, losing on a deciding frame to John Parrott.", I'd suggest that he was in three additional Triple Crown finals is also notable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think something on his coaching career, even listing some names he coached would be a good thing. He's clearly a talented coach. He was also the WPBSA coaching director, which is a deal. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended in line with the comments above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General

probably worth linking to snooker on first use in the body. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
1978 UK Championship pipes to a redirect back to itself. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
After beating Eddie Charlton in a long semi-final that finished at 1:40 am - probably worth adding a score. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended as per the three points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

becoming world champion at the first attempt - also worth mentioning he was the first qualifier to win the event, and maybe worth mentioning he and Murphy are the only ones to do so. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, he was the first qualifier to win the event at the Crucible; Higgins won as a qualifier in 1972 which had a different format. (See e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/snooker/4504233.stm ). Could either say second player, or first at Crucible, or leave it as is - let me know what you think. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly, I knew Higgins did, but then didn't type it. I'd suggest saying all of this, stating he was the second qualifier to win the event, and the first at the Crucible. You can then mention Murphy. I think that source covers the lot. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sources often seemingly ignore anything before 1977. Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When the scores were 11–11, Griffiths offered to split the prize money. Virgo declined, and later won the match 14–13 - You and I know there was a bit more too it than this, the BBC strike and all that. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a little bit, let me know if I should add more. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's a ^{[citation needed]} tag. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. Removed uncited info. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 1989 European Open (snooker) - needs a pipe Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Having built a 4-1 lead against John Parrott, Griffiths saw his opponent level the match at 4-4 - need fixing dashes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended as per two points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Review meta comments

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Lee Vilenski. Let me know if anything else is needed (e.g. on "first qualifier" or the 1979 UK final). Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.