Talk:Symphony No. 5 (Haydn)

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Trio or menuetto 2do?

Instead of a minuet and trio, there is a menuetto 1mo and a menuetto 2do, after which the menuetto 1mo is played da capo. Is this a technicality or is it a difference worth mentioning? Shteblin (talk) 22:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My copy of the score says "Menuet e Trio" in the list of movements then "Minuet" over bar 1 and "Trio (Minuet 2do) over bar 31. At first glance it sounds like a technicality. If there was something unique about this "B" section which set it apart from other trio's then I would add the sub-marking, otherwise I'd leave it out. I'll check my copy of Brown when I get home. DavidRF (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking at Reihe I, Band 1 of Joseph Haydn Werke, published by G. Henle Verlag. Shteblin (talk) 22:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(btw, I verified F minor is the key of the Andante for I:17, your source was right). Shteblin (talk) 22:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see anything in Brown. I was hoping it would have some formal/performance significance (sounds "baroque" to me) to go along with mentioning it. Brown comments on the oboe/trio dialogue in the "Trio". He comments on the minuets shared tempo with the preceding movement which is rare... but a large contrast in mood (ii-emotionally intense, iii-galant and aristocratic) which offset the lack of contrast in rhythm. He doesn't have anything else to say about it.

Personally, I wouldn't add it but if you can fit it in somehow, that's fine. Cheers. DavidRF (talk) 00:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at other scores in the same edition. The middle section of a minuet is usually called a trio, I haven't found any other instances of menuetto 1mo and 2do besides this one. But this line of thought is starting to veer towards original research, so I'd better save it for my notebooks. Shteblin (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]