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@David Gerard: Aren't direct quotes excepted from the general prohibition? ImTheIP (talk) 16:31, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Daily Mail can't be trusted for quotes - they mangle quotes to sound better all the time, and have literally made up entire interviews before. There are lots of reasons the DM got deprecated, and that's one of them. If an interview can be found anywhere else, we could use that, but not the DM - David Gerard (talk) 17:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I got confused with another article! No, we basically shouldn't use the Daily Caller for anything or trust it for anything - one of the reasons it was deprecated was fabrication - David Gerard (talk) 17:34, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I sourced the quote from Daily Caller to another site. ImTheIP (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Best way to describe Salaita's tweets

@Drsmoo: Sorry for being a jerk and reverting. I don't know how the 1RR works exactly so to be on the safe side I reverted everything you added. Yes, some claimed that the tweets were anti-Semitic but I don't think we can conclude that it was allegations of anti-Semitism that cost him the job. But, indeed, the lead is problematic; it shouldn't say "because he had posted a series of tweets ..." the right word is "after." Wrt, the characterization of his tweets, this is how they have been described in books and journals:

"about tweets Salaita posted protesting the mass destruction and civilian deaths caused by Israeli military operations launched against Gaza" and "heated criticism of Israel"^[1]
"Salaita had tweeted about babies who had been killed in Palestine during the seven-week Israel-Gaza conflagration in July and August and had asserted that Israel was indiscriminately killing noncombatants and destroying cities."^[2]
"Our analysis focuses on four of Salaita’s tweets singled out as among the most incendiary in the days following the controversy" ^[3]
"The campaign of destruction began when several constituencies objected to Salaita's tweetes that vehemently protested Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza"^[4]

As I remember it, neither the university nor Kennedy claimed the tweets were anti-Semitic. Their complaint was about incivility. Feel free to review the rest of the article too; it's mostly my work and I've tried to be neutral and cover all the bases, but I may very well have missed a lot of stuff. ImTheIP (talk) 15:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Jonathan Alexander; Susan C. Jarratt; Nancy Welch (6 November 2018). Unruly Rhetorics: Protest, Persuasion, and Publics. University of Pittsburgh Press. pp. 176–. ISBN 978-0-8229-8643-0.
^ "Steven Salaita, the Media, and the Struggle for Academic Freedom". AAUP. Retrieved October 12, 2020.
^ Terkourafi, Marina; Catedral, Lydia; Haider, Iftikhar; Karimzad, Farzad; Melgares, Jeriel; Mostacero-Pinilla, Cristina; Nelson, Julie; Weissman, Benjamin (July 2, 2018). "Uncivil Twitter". Journal of Language Aggression and Conflict. 6 (1). John Benjamins Publishing Company: 26–57. doi:10.1075/jlac.00002.ter. ISSN 2213-1272.
^ Neoliberalism and Academic Repression: The Fall of Academic Freedom in the Era of Trump. BRILL. 29 October 2019. pp. 26–. ISBN 978-90-04-41553-9.

"un-hired"

The footnote here clarifies that the Court ruled Salaita had been hired, which by definition made him an employee. The usual word indicating an employer's termination of an employee's employment is "fired."

Is there any particular reason this bizarre neologism is being used here?

It sounds as if someone wants to hedge their bets as if aligning themselves with the University's position that Salaita never was actually hired...but that position was ruled against by the Court. Spanghew2fs (talk) 00:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Letter of support from Jewish community

The article mentions a letter here that is ostensibly from the Jewish community, however at least one person on the list is definitively not Jewish. I had updated the article to reflect this, but User:Firefangledfeathers immediately reverted it, stating it was unsupported by the source. The letter is cited as the source along with the article, which at the time was supported by 40 signatures, when then it is possible they were all Jewish. I believe the text needs to be updated, as the letter of support expanded with more signatures, but not all were Jewish. The current note of saying the letter expanded to 150 signatures, does not make it clear not all were Jewish, nor is there any attestation to sign the letter that one is Jewish. poketape (talk) 17:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't support article text based on OR, which would include diving into the primary source to determine ethnicity/religion. Is there analysis of the list published in a reliable source. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of the supporters that signed is an author who is interviewed in several places for her Muslim-American Palestinian heritage, would that suffice? Otherwise, we should not state in the text that the list expanded to 150 signatories, as that itself uses the list as a primary source. poketape (talk) 17:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be fine with removing the line about expansion and/or removing the primary source. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, I will do that. poketape (talk) 17:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[AlexanderJarratt2018-1] Jonathan Alexander; Susan C. Jarratt; Nancy Welch (6 November 2018). Unruly Rhetorics: Protest, Persuasion, and Publics. University of Pittsburgh Press. pp. 176–. ISBN 978-0-8229-8643-0.

[AAUP-2] "Steven Salaita, the Media, and the Struggle for Academic Freedom". AAUP. Retrieved October 12, 2020.

[Terkourafi_Catedral_Haider_Karimzad_pp._26–57-3] Terkourafi, Marina; Catedral, Lydia; Haider, Iftikhar; Karimzad, Farzad; Melgares, Jeriel; Mostacero-Pinilla, Cristina; Nelson, Julie; Weissman, Benjamin (July 2, 2018). "Uncivil Twitter". Journal of Language Aggression and Conflict. 6 (1). John Benjamins Publishing Company: 26–57. doi:10.1075/jlac.00002.ter. ISSN 2213-1272.

[4] Neoliberalism and Academic Repression: The Fall of Academic Freedom in the Era of Trump. BRILL. 29 October 2019. pp. 26–. ISBN 978-90-04-41553-9.

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