Talk:Stand and Deliver

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This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:

Andrew Kaczynski (October 29, 2013). "Rand Paul has given speeches plagiarized from Wikipedia before". Buzzfeed. Retrieved October 30, 2013.
Anouk Eigenraam (October 30, 2013). "Amerikaanse senator Rand Paul leest voor uit eigen werk? Of van Wikipedia?". NRC Handelsblad. Retrieved October 30, 2013.

Stub

Needs:

Developed Plot summary
Include cast and crew information.

angel fabian escalante ramirez jaime a escalante

Character biographies are few & undeveloped
At least two other developed sections of information (production, reception (including box office figures), awards and honors, themes, differences from novel or TV show, soundtrack, sequels, DVD release, etc.)SkierRMH 06:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Stand and deliver.jpg

Image:Stand and deliver.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Synopsis

This doesn't describe the film at all, at the moment it's made up from a few lines that should be in the intro and trivia sections. Could someone who's seen the film please fix this, cheers. ArdClose (talk) 22:40, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Stand and deliver.jpg

Image:Stand and deliver.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Nethead

"Nethead" is currently listed as a character. Nethead is in fact just a name that Jaime occasionally uses to refer to Angel Guzman. Unless I see a response saying otherwise within the next week, I am going to remove Nethead from the character list and merge his description with that of Guzman. 71.224.13.255 (talk) 01:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

South Park

On the discussion page of another article it has been written that at one time or another South Park has satirized just about everything and that it adds little to say that this or that was the topic of a South Park reference. I'm personally undecided on the matter but wanted to put the idea out there. PurpleChez (talk) 20:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How many is "most passed"?

"most of them got 4s and 5s on the 5 point exam." needs clarification. If the result is available, then exact number of students that got 4/5 should be known. "Most" is ambiguous; was it 2 out of 12 students or 11 out of 12 or? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.29.182.215 (talk) 04:20, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rand Paul plagiarism

On October 29, 2013, Rachael Maddow reported other cases of plagiarism from Rand Paul, this time during a speech to the Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference on June 12 and the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce on March 19. Buzzfeed reported on the two cases of plagiarism on the same day; but Rand Paul's office has yet to respond. Great50 (talk) 02:11, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 May 2014

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. There's no consensus that the film isn't the primary topic, especially after evidence was introduced suggesting it is. Cúchullain ^t/c 17:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stand and Deliver → Stand and Deliver (film) – The film is not the primary topic of this main space, free this main space for the disambig KTo288 (talk) 08:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support - should be Stand and Deliver (disambiguation) on the base line. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:23, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. If anything, the Adam and the Ants song is the primary topic. It's certainly not this film. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No indication the film isn't the primary topic. Calidum ^{Go Bruins!} 15:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Any indication it is? -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Over the past ninety days the film has been viewed 53,000 times. The disambiguation page has been viewed 1,300 times. The Adam and the Ants song 6,200 times. The Mr. Mister song has been viewed 400 times. Seems pretty obvious which one is the primary topic. Plus, of course, the burden in these discussions is on those proposing the change and no proof has been offered to show the film isn't the primary topic. Calidum ^{Go Bruins!} 23:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The film is the primary topic by measure of Calidum's stats, which I've confirmed. The film's interest many years after its creation is far and away greater than that of the others. Additionally, the nom doesn't show any proof of the contrary to substantiate the proposal. czar ♔ 12:33, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

This is a multi-move request, including the move of Stand and Deliver (disambiguation) to Stand and Deliver (to avoid WP:MALPLACED). Please update the request so the bots can tag it correctly. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:19, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Disputed Accuracy

The article claims "Escalante actually first began teaching at Garfield High School in 1974 and taught his first AP Calculus course in 1978 with a group of 14 students. This claim is not supported in the link provided, and it may be entirely fabricated. The Washington Post article referenced in the same section(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/13/AR2009091302414.html), written by a man who investigated the incident, reports that all 12 students took the test and all passed. No information about a decades-before test is mentioned in the cited source. Suggest deleting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedRingOfLife (talk • contribs) 17:35, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kentucky Senator

@107.10.140.224:

With regard to this edit: can you please give a valid reason for the content removal? Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 14:10, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new to wikipedia so let me know if I'm doing anything wrong. With regards to the edit, mentioning a politican using a wiki page in his/her speech seems petty and antagonistic. I would say this regardless of the particular politican, be it a Republican, Democrat, Independent, or other. I'm taken aback as I'm somehow being put on the defensive when all I want is pertinent information on any given topic. I don't see how anyone could consider an obscure 8 year old speech as "pertinent" to the film Stand and Deliver and its legacy. The burden of proof is not on me, the burden of proof is on the initial claimant. Not to simply prove that the speech was plagiarized, but that this is an impactful aspect of Stand and Deliver's legacy. I submit that it isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.10.140.224 (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the removed Rand Paul story is trivial, tangential, and about Wikipedia and Mr. Paul rather than being about the movie. It is also way over-sourced: WaPo or NYT would suffice. Further, an old Rand Paul speech which plagiarizes Wikipedia is not much of a "legacy", as it is more of an unintentional one-time namedrop. Surely the article can part with that tiny paragraph. The material rightly belongs in the Rand Paul article.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:27, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rand Paul, plagiarism and this article

There seems to be a disagreement as to whether the following belongs in the article's "Legacy" section:

In 2012 Kentucky Senator Rand Paul was accused of plagiarizing near-verbatim portions of the plot summary from the Wikipedia article on Stand and Deliver in two speeches on immigration.

I maintain that plagiarizing of Wikipedia by a politician relates to either Wikipedia or the politician, and only tangentially to the movie. Others disagree, and have repeatedly reverted the removal of the sentence about Mr. Paul. It would be helpful if we could discuss the rationales behind our stands on the sentence and come to some consensus.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How about this version of the sentence quoted above:

In 2012 Kentucky Senator Rand Paul mentioned the story behind the movie in two speeches on immigration.

--Quisqualis (talk) 00:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is comical seeing the 5 or 6 douchebags incessantly revert edits back to keep the Rand Paul snipe intact. A few goofballs really seem to hate the man. Politicians plagiarize all the time; I don't condone it but that's kind of part of their job. Most people know that politicians don't actually write their own speeches. If you want to put the Rand Paul bit on HIS wiki page, okay sure go ahead...still, it's petty and unbecoming a legitimate critique but whatever. Keeping that paragraph on this wiki page is a joke. The speech lift is not "part of Stand and Deliver's legacy". It is what it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.10.140.224 (talk) 07:31, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]