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Two remarks

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  1. This article's name (and therefore its content) should be Srb uprising, because that's what it was. C.f. Operation Medak Pocket (and not "Medak Pocket massacre").
  2. Ustaše had killed 38,000 Serbs in Jadovno concentration camp alone (per Jakovina source). To omit this fact completely, while stating laconically that the Serbs rebelled simply because they were "disappointed", is a grotesque distortion.

Tagged with {{POV}}, therefore. GregorB (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've missed the most glaring error: there was actually no massacre in Srb at all. GregorB (talk) 20:57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wustenfuchs, seriously now, Josip Pavičić's profession is apparently being literary critic, please use actual historians for sourcing historical events, rather than right-wing columnists. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Egad. http://www.naklada-pavicic.hr/kritike.htm says:

Josip Pavičić rođen je 1944. u Bjelovaru, a porijeklom je iz Like, iz Boričevca, odakle su mu roditelji morali iseliti 1941. Emotivno je vrlo snažno vezan za rodni kraj svojih predaka, pa je pripremio za tisak knjigu Dosje Boričevac – O životu nestalog sela.

So not only are they not a reliable source by way of content, they actually have a documented bias on the exact same matter. *sigh* --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Jareb

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@Peacemaker67:, have you tried doing a Web search for Jareb? It seems he is very much associated with fringe right-wing people (ie., Ustaša sympathizers), and on some of those right-fringe sites that come up on the first page of Google's results he is quoted as saying some weird stuff. Here is a secondary source describing a scandalously absurd history textbook for kids that he authored: https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/skandalozni-udzbenik-kaze-da-se-crkva-protivila-fasizmu-a-partizane-ne-spominje/2070079.aspx .

I never saw him mentioned in a good light except on fringe sites or shows. Actually, he is mentioned only on those sites.

This is his Google Scholar account: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=VRRQ97kAAAAJ Notrium (talk) 00:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Jareb has a PhD from the University of Croatia, was a Fulbright scholar before that at the University of Indiana, and is reliably published, not only his 2006 book on the Ustasha movement, but also chapters in two books on WWII Yugoslavia edited by Ramet. There is no indication that I have seen that he is a fringe source. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Peacemaker67:, Even the indications I just gave above?? The index.hr link proves that Jareb is a controversial fringe source, at least of history textbooks for kids. How could one trust him after he shamelessly writes revisionist propaganda (aimed at kids) on the very topics (or related) that we know he is into distorting?
I do not know if you understand Croato-Serbian, if you want a translation of the index.hr article, or some of his comments on fringe sites or shows, just tell me.
Now, since he is a published historian we could mention his stance, but necessarily with attribution to him, as described on WP:POV.
Nitpick: There is no such thing as a "University of Croatia". It could be, for example, University of Zagreb. Notrium (talk) 01:30, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, from the University of Zagreb. Nevertheless, we don't know what contributions Jareb made to the textbook, Jareb was not afforded a right of reply in the index.hr article, and it presents only one view, that of Klasić. I know nothing about Klasić's qualifications, other than that he is apparently a historian and presumably works at the University of Zagreb. In any case, we wouldn't be using the school textbook as a source on WP, so I fail to see what the issue is. Do you have any negative reviews of his academic (not school textbook) work by other academics? I do not see the need to attribute him unless a particular view expressed in an academic source has been criticised by another academic, in which case we would compare and contrast their views. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:07, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This was presumably about this edit, which had removed:
In the village of Trubar near Drvar, a Roman Catholic priest, Waldemar Maximilian Nestor, and his parishioners were killed by the insurgents.{{sfn|Jareb|2011|p=764}}
That sentence had been added together with many others in 2016 by Tezwoo in a major rewrite.[1]
That 2011 article was published in the journal of the Croatian Institute of History, which seems to have some longevity and credentials[2], though the same historian is also employed at the same institution, so this isn't particularly great. Google Scholar entry for that article [3] doesn't seem to show any proper reviews from other historians.
On the other hand, it's also rather silly to say that an Index.hr article is a 'secondary source' in this context, as that article attributes its header picture to 'Wikipedia', the article author is a science journalist rather than a historian, and the historian interviewed isn't making many general claims about the criticized book's authors, nor are they making any reference to the 2011 article.
Getting back to the point, these links to Nestor and Trubar massacre lead to articles mainly referenced to clerical sources by IoannesII in 2015, a Katolički tjednik (Catholic Weekly) article by Tomo Vukšić, a Glas Koncila article, an unsigned blog article referencing 'Narod.hr', and a book without any ISBN. That should be addressed over there. --Joy (talk) 19:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't been able to quickly find much neutral coverage of this event, which is a tad odd - it's mostly in the realm of Church sources. From unrelated sources there's only this one blip from late 2014, when the Prosecutor's Office of Bosnia and Herzegovina released information about how it conducted an exhumation in Trubari in 2014 at the request of Franjo Komarica (Avaz coverage is attributed anonymously, to Redakcija ('Desk')[4], Index.hr coverage[5] is a wire article from HINA). Would be good to find out if this actually went anywhere since. --Joy (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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